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Husband has been violent and wants me to move with him from U.K. to my home country. It is tempting because I miss home. Please help me think this through.

88 replies

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 09/02/2025 15:14

Please help me think clearly around this. I am thinking with my emotions and I know I’m getting stuck and confused. My husband has a history of violence and coercive control (if he doesn’t get his way or something displeases him he goes to a “dark mood” and then eventually explodes with banging things, breaking things, throwing things - sometimes at me - or just scolding and shaming). Overt violence towards a person has been fairly rare, but it happens. He has shoved me openly and smashed/punched plastic storage containers that were located next to me at head height which terrified me. I confronted him about violence so he widened up and became covert and subtle, which tricked me for a while. The types of harm he does are now usually disguised as accidents when I or the children are targets. He typically throws something at me from behind and says it’s an accident. He hasn’t done it in a while. But Last weekend he slammed the large wooden sliding wardrobe doors multiple times in a rage when something bothered him. This Sunday I forgot to remind him that I had to sing in church, so he dipped into a sulk and I was terrified of what would happen, but thankfully it was only a shaming and scolding and painting himself as victim this time. He often tries to shame and scold me in a loud voice by listing my faults right as I am trying to go to sleep, since I made the mistake of telling him I can’t handle difficult conversations at bed time bc I’m too tired to think clearly. I now try to avoid him at bed time. We all walk on pins and needles around him. I never know when he will slip into a dark mood and when he is in the dark mood, what will happen. He acts like he is a victim, but he becomes dreadfully frightening. I dread weekends.

I have reported all of the harm / threats to police and children’s services and am documenting anything new. i realise the obvious answer is “leave him”. I am trying and it’s tricky because he has so much control, including over the money. He has stopped giving me an allowance because I got a part time job. My local women’s aid can’t take anyone on at moment because they are under funded. I have hounded them for support literally since last March. The other local DV charity said my DASH score is too high for them to help me. I had an IDVA in the past and am in the process of going back to my GP to ask to be re-referred to an IDVA so that I can start making plans to leave again. When I tried to leave before, it was too complicated because things didn’t line up (I had nowhere to go) and my husband left the house for a while so I could come back and promised to reform himself. I knew the improvements probably wouldn’t last, but he has been improved since then although I know it’s highly likely he will eventually resort to violence again and we need to get away from him.

We live in the U.K. but I am originally from the USA and met my husband when I came to the U.K. as a student. My husband tells me he is “done” with the city where we live in the U.K. and is done with the U.K. in general. He says he wants is to move to the USA now - to my home state - and is encouraging me to look for jobs there to anchor the move. For ages, it seemed he would never move and I was fine with that. I made many decisions based on the decision to do life here, including decisions that affect my career and financial prospects. Husband now speaks to me about this like he is desperate and like his life depends on it. Since I am right at the end of finishing a qualification here in the U.K. and have been secretly trying to prepare to leave him, all of this is very stressful. He acts like it is my fault that we can’t move NOW and he wants me to quit my part time job (which I just started this past autumn) so I can concentrate on completing my qualification and make an international move happen.

I know it’s crazy to even think of this, but the thought of moving to where I grew up so my kids can experience it really tugs at my heartstrings. I know how things work there and what opportunities exist for children etc. I start to think about how if we moved there and got divorced there, the kids and I might feel more supported since I know the community so well.

I also worry that if I divorce him here and not there, I might never be able to move back. Or at least not until the children are grown, due to custody arrangements. That would be approximately 7-10 years. I worry that life here as a single mum will be really difficult and that it might be better if the children and I were able to go back to my community.

when I take a step back, I think I am trying to plan for any and every eventuality, and I am probably over thinking. My husband is completely on my case, pressuring me to plan an international move and acting like he is a victim of my inability to make it happen as soon as yesterday. I worry that if I divorce him here, in the city that he apparently hates, that he will want to harm me even more and that he will become a dreaded enemy.

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oakleaffy · 10/02/2025 06:19

Bayonetlightbulb · 10/02/2025 05:33

Would there be a concern over him being able to access guns readily in the US given his history of DV?

If he really wants to do harm to anyone, there are many ways he can do it here.
Thankfully most men don't go this far. 🙏

Shooting people in USA is pretty serious!

It's also a vast Country, I'm sure OP can go incognito there.

No woman can stay with a man out of fear/terror.

That's just completely unacceptable.

Zanatdy · 10/02/2025 06:26

It makes sense to go back there, and then divorce him soon after. As like you say, he could stop you from moving back. It sounds like a good opportunity for you. You’ll have support from family / friends and hopefully he will return to the UK

oakleaffy · 10/02/2025 06:31

' I feel I will probably lose my church if I divorce - part of that might simply be in my head. I feel it would be horribly awkward to go back there as a divorced woman since it is a very family focussed church and everyone knows my husband and me. '

What would Jesus say?
He would not want you hurt.
He would not judge you.

Divorce is not because you are wanting to be unfaithful.
You are divorcing because you are being abused most horribly.

If Jesus wouldn't judge you, why should the members of the church?

Take Courage.

knitnerd90 · 10/02/2025 06:44

dual citizen here, sponsored my spouse for US green card.

please know that if you sponsor him for a spousal visa, you are legally and financially responsible for him. You either need funds, a job in the US (an offer isn't enough) or a sponsor as well.

Unless you are personally desperate to move back to the USA, I would not do it lest you become responsible for keeping him off the nonexistent American dole. He won't qualify for a penny until he's been resident a certain number of years.

there's also the risk that he won't settle in the USA and will want to bunk off back to the UK, causing you a load of trouble and fuss.

Bayonetlightbulb · 10/02/2025 07:06

oakleaffy · 10/02/2025 06:19

If he really wants to do harm to anyone, there are many ways he can do it here.
Thankfully most men don't go this far. 🙏

Shooting people in USA is pretty serious!

It's also a vast Country, I'm sure OP can go incognito there.

No woman can stay with a man out of fear/terror.

That's just completely unacceptable.

I certainly wasn't suggesting she stayed with him. I think it is definitely something to consider and it can be easier/more detached to shoot than use a knife to do harm.

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 10/02/2025 07:12

knitnerd90 · 10/02/2025 06:44

dual citizen here, sponsored my spouse for US green card.

please know that if you sponsor him for a spousal visa, you are legally and financially responsible for him. You either need funds, a job in the US (an offer isn't enough) or a sponsor as well.

Unless you are personally desperate to move back to the USA, I would not do it lest you become responsible for keeping him off the nonexistent American dole. He won't qualify for a penny until he's been resident a certain number of years.

there's also the risk that he won't settle in the USA and will want to bunk off back to the UK, causing you a load of trouble and fuss.

reading about your experience is extremely helpful. Thank you. You are very right about the nonexistent US dole.

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Flustration · 10/02/2025 07:58

I'm so sorry you are in this situation. A few things that occur to me:

  1. He will have his own plan(s) he's working towards. Don't take anything he says on face value.
  2. Have more than one exit strategy on the go. One of these should be a quick one.
  3. Staying in the UK until the children are 12 might not be a bad thing. Financially you should be entitled to quite a bit of help from the government. You have a good job that is fairly flexibly around the children and employment law is on your side. If your DH does take the split very badly he is less likely to be able to get his hands on a gun. Building a community will be easier once he's gone.
  4. Seek good US and UK legal advice to check you've left no stone unturned.

Best of luck to you. He is an awful man.

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 10/02/2025 11:02

Flustration · 10/02/2025 07:58

I'm so sorry you are in this situation. A few things that occur to me:

  1. He will have his own plan(s) he's working towards. Don't take anything he says on face value.
  2. Have more than one exit strategy on the go. One of these should be a quick one.
  3. Staying in the UK until the children are 12 might not be a bad thing. Financially you should be entitled to quite a bit of help from the government. You have a good job that is fairly flexibly around the children and employment law is on your side. If your DH does take the split very badly he is less likely to be able to get his hands on a gun. Building a community will be easier once he's gone.
  4. Seek good US and UK legal advice to check you've left no stone unturned.

Best of luck to you. He is an awful man.

Thank you. Your point that he will have is own plans - plans that he may be keeping to himself - is definitely one to keep in mind. I have no idea whether he has been stating one thing but working towards another plan (or additional plans).

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tsalty · 10/02/2025 11:31

@ShuffleShuffleSpin apologies I should have come back yesterday to just clarify -it’s great that you have religiously filed your taxes, but the income filed may not meet the threshold for sponsorship. Like I suggested, contact an immigration lawyer to get exact figures and some insight into your current situation.

FWIW, I would probably relocate with the children myself under the impression I was getting a job etc to meet the require to for him. Once settled, I would file for divorce and have done with him. I do think a small quirk in the law is that you have to divorce in the country where your husband is a resident, but this may no longer be the case.

good luck, OP. You have to get away from him at all costs

Thelnebriati · 10/02/2025 12:17

One thing stood out for me, and that is his insistence that he has to move NOW, and now being just when you are about to complete a course and gain a qualification. He is trying to sabotage you, and keep you dependant on him.

Its possible he has found out you are trying to leave him; here is some advice about securing your gadgets in case he is spying on you:
junowomensaid.org.uk/how-to-secure-your-devices-a-guide-to-protecting-yourself/

Gravitasdepleted · 10/02/2025 14:48

As tempting as it sounds to move back home, I suspect it will cause you a lot more trouble than its worth. He will either tag along and you will be entirely financially responsible for him, or he might stay in the UK but then getting any house equity or child support from him will be virtually impossible.

So it might be more sensible to stay in the UK unless you have huge financial support back home you can rely on.

However, do bear in mind that even if children can voice an opinion about where they might like to live aged 13+ it will not be enough to allow you to leave the country if their father is involved in their lives. So this might be your only chance to return with them before they are adults.

Difficult decisions to be made, and my main advice is plan it all very carefully as he sounds like an abusive nightmare who will be busy with his own nefarious plans to undermine and continue to abuse you.

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 10/02/2025 19:37

Your reply is spot on. I can see all of those points. My family and closest friends back home would be supportive in whatever ways they can be, but they would definitely expect me to get a job and support myself and only stay with them short or medium term with the goal of living independently. If I were then working I would be in the position of having to be responsible for my now husband if he didn’t have a job. That would ultimately be much more difficult than my current situation.

It might be that I plan to stay here and focus on intentional holidays with them in the USA.

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pickles2010 · 24/03/2025 15:29

You should move home, pretend all is fine with the marriage and you want to work on it etc then divorce him as soon as you get the kids settled into school back in your home country. You will have way more support, bonus being you may be able to get him kicked out of the USA and sent back to the UK (if he doesn't have permission to stay there if not married) and then you can rebuild a peaceful life with your children. if you divorce him in the UK - you will really really struggle to move back to your home country before your youngest is 16, it will be costly, lengthy and if ex contests it - you may lose. I stupidly divorced my Ex here in the UK and have not been able to move home where I have family support - have zero here and have to work fulltime with zero help and Ex is too busy on Tinder to try and find his next (poor) target to do anything for his children. He was also a violent alcoholic - but said I was 'too sensitive' about his violence.

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