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Lying in a relationship...

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AreHisPantsOnFire · 29/01/2025 08:03

I have a pretty much zero tolerance on lying.

It's from a combination of childhood trauma and previously being married to a pathological liar who lied about absolutely everything due to being brought up by alcoholic parents.

I'm really sensitive to it and once I've discovered someone is lying to me, it rewrites the whole relationship in my head.

Eg tell me I look nice if you think I do but don't tell I'm beautiful because I'm not. If I ask for your opinion on something, it's because I actually want your opinion/perspective and not because I want you to flatter me by blowing smoke up my arse or to say what you think i want to hear.

I think this situation saying to sound pretty inconsequential to some but I hope people will respond given the whole context.

I think I have examples of my partner telling very small, inconsequential, pointless little lies in our relationship. But it makes me question the whole thing because, well, if someone lies, then they lie.

Eg. My partner gets up for work at 6.15am and leaves at 6.30am. I don't need to get up until 7. Sometimes, I wake up when his alarm goes off and sometimes I sleep straight through and sometimes I'm roused enough to he aware but I'm still not fully conscious and appear asleep to him.

He'll say things to me like, "You were still fast asleep when I left this morning. You didn't even stir when I kissed you and told you I love you." It's comment worthy because my sleep isn't every good generally and I can often be awake for good parts of the night so he's really commenting on that and saying I appear to have slept well.

But. Some of the times he's said this, I've been aware/conscious of him leaving but I know he hasn't kissed me or said anything. (Sometimes he does.)

It's like a weevil now burying into my thoughts. For example, when he tells me he's doing overtime on a Saturday morning, I feel I can't take it at face value. Sometimes, he'll come back and talk about it and, on those occasions, I know it's genuine. But sometimes he'll say nothing at all. No complaint about it, or comment on who was in and, if I ask how it went, he'll just say, "It was work." But he rarely has nothing to say about work so it makes me wonder.

Eg I know others won't agree with this but for my own personal reasons, I don't watch films with sex or unnecessary female nudity in. He knows this and he knows my reasons why. He will spend ages painstakingly choosing a film for us to watch together and checking the content before we watch something together. He has never made me feel in the wrong for this or complained.

I've also never cocommented on anything he chooses to watch without me. Sometimes (around once a week or so) I go to bed early to read so that he can watch something of his own choice where he doesn't have to be quite so vigilant.

The issue is that he has also volunteered that he doesn't like it either. He says he doesn't watch films with sex scenes (doesn't like it apparently) and he doesn't like gratuitous female nudity either. He parrots my sentiments and agrees with me wholeheartedly. I've never asked him to. I've told him my perspective but never questioned his or challenged him. Just explained so that he knows and understands. But I know I'm quite unusual in that respect.

But I can see from his 'continue watching' or series he has seen or conversations he has with others about films they've watched that he is absolutely watching stuff with (sometimes) lots of sex and nudity in it. So why the lie?

It just makes me question everything he says mentally.

I'm not really bothered if he kisses me and says he loves me before he goes to work if I'm still alseep and I'm not particularly bothered what he watches without me. But the fact he lies about these things makes me wonder what other more consequential lies there are that I'm unaware of. Like when he says he fancies me or I look nice or he loves me are those lies too? It's creating a general feeling of mistrust for me that I don't like.

Is lying like this normal in a relationship? Would you be bothered?

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Lamelie · 29/01/2025 08:07

From what you’ve written it’s you, not him. It sounds like he’s tying himself in knots trying to reassure and please you. I’d recommend talking therapies- counselling with a bacp registered therapist to unpick your feelings and the effect it has on your relationships.
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AreHisPantsOnFire · 29/01/2025 08:23

But he's not and he's not been asked to.

No one is asking him to kiss me and tell me he loves me when I'm asleep. That's come from him. I certainly don't need him t pretend he has when he hasn't.

He's chooses to do overtime - again nothing to do with me. Unless he's telling me he's doing that but is doing something else instead. Again, I've never questioned it.

So I'm assuming you're referring to watching films? I've explained to him what I don't want to watch and why but never said anything about his film choices.

So it still doesn't explain the need to lie.

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RuffledKestrel · 29/01/2025 09:15

I had a relationship that had this sorta thing going on in it. I too often wondered why he done it. The lies were never "big important ones" but I could never fathom why they were told in the first place.

I called him out on it a number of times but as till happened. On looking back after that relationship ended I do think all those lies contributed to my feeling of unease in the relationship. I was never sure if his opinion or thoughts on something were his own, or a reflection of me/someone else.

ncapprox5638 · 29/01/2025 09:22

I don't tolerate lies either, and also have PTSD from childhood/past relationships. What you've described sounds like hyper-vigilance, rather than anything you need to genuinely be concerned over.

I'm a light sleeper. Sometimes I'm semi-awake and aware, but I know I can also drift in and out of sleep in that state without even realising. I'm only aware of this when it's obvious afterwards - like I've heard my partner get up, go to the bathroom and come back to bed, and I think I've been awake and thinking about getting up the whole time...but suddenly he's gone - because I had drifted off again at the point when he left the room. There's every possibility this is what's happening with you on the odd occasion you don't remember the kiss.

There doesn't seem to be any reason to think he's lying about overtime. Sometimes work is boring, or you're sick of it, and you want to switch off when you've finished. If there's nothing to talk about, not giving you all the details every single time doesn't mean he's lying.

He's extremely respectful of your viewing preferences, and agrees he doesn't like gratuitous nudity or sex scenes either. But watching things with sex or nudity doesn't mean he's lying, it just means he doesn't feel the need to check content and actively avoid this.
I don't like it, but I don't avoid shows or movies because of it (unless it's very prominent, but even then if I'm already invested I'm probably carry on anyway). Having things with explicit content in my viewing history certainly doesn't mean I'm actively seeking out movies because they feature sex or nudity.

He sounds very understanding of your needs and sensitivities, and there's nothing in your OP that suggests he's lying to you. Trauma and trust issues can be really hard to handle, but you can't make them all someone else's problem - your partner can support you, but you have to help yourself too. Getting some talking therapy might help.

Springflowersmakeforbetterhours · 29/01/2025 09:25

Seems he wants you to consider him a better bf than he actually is...
My exh lied. It cost him his dw..
He was so used to lying it cake so naturally.. He forgot to be a good liar you need a good memory. Which he didn't have...

healthybychristmas · 29/01/2025 09:31

So when he tells you he kissed you and told you he loved you and you say to him no you didn't because I was actually awake but dozing, what does he say?

heroinechic · 29/01/2025 09:35

You sound really quite paranoid and I don't say that in a nasty way. I was in a relationship with a man like this and it really wasn't his fault or malicious, but it was seriously draining for both of us for him to be always considering, questioning and viewing innocent things with suspicion. I tried to bend over backwards to make it work because I loved him and knew it wasn't his fault, but eventually I had to walk away. I always felt like I was on eggshells in case something I said was taken, studied, and he spiralled. He had a diagnosis for OCD.

With the films, is it possible that he doesn't like it, but he isn't as strong in his dislike as you are? If someone asked me if I liked gratuitous female nudity or sex scenes I'd say no not really it makes me a bit uncomfortable when I'm just trying to eat my dinner. However, my dislike of it isn't strong enough for it to be a consideration when I'm thinking of something to watch I.e I'd still happily watch game of thrones because the series as a whole is worth watching even with all the sex and gore.

Seaoftroubles · 29/01/2025 09:38

It sounds like he is saying these things to impress you and to paint a better picture of himself. It's grating on you because it shows he's insincere, as in your TV example where he's showing you a false side of himself. I would not like this at all as OP, in my experience habitual liars don't change.

dontbeabsurd · 29/01/2025 09:54

While I understand the general principle of being truthful in a relationship, living with someone who constantly seeks 100% truth (the way they perceive it) is exhausting. My ex partner would ask me about something (say sth that happened or a past discussion between us) and if I didn’t tell exactly how it happened & paraphrased it he’d accuse me of lying.
I simply didn’t remember the details.
It ruined our relationship.

SantasLargerHelper · 29/01/2025 09:58

It's exhausting to live with someone like you OP, my ex was like this and that's why he's my ex. I have a terrible memory and just couldn't remember half the time. I'm laid back, he was so on top about everything and seemed to think that made him morally superior in some way.

Also agree with others about sex scenes. I'm not keen but it's really hard to avoid them nowadays. Poor guy seems to be trying his best imo. Perhaps it's just a mismatch of personality types.

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Edenmum2 · 29/01/2025 10:11

Whether you think you've pressured him or not, he is obviously desperate to please you.

If he came to you and said 'actually I don't care about sex and nudity in films, sometimes I enjoy it' - what would your reaction be?

AreHisPantsOnFire · 29/01/2025 12:37

healthybychristmas · 29/01/2025 09:31

So when he tells you he kissed you and told you he loved you and you say to him no you didn't because I was actually awake but dozing, what does he say?

I haven't said anything because it doesn't feel.worth it at the time. Perhaps I should.

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AreHisPantsOnFire · 29/01/2025 12:40

dontbeabsurd · 29/01/2025 09:54

While I understand the general principle of being truthful in a relationship, living with someone who constantly seeks 100% truth (the way they perceive it) is exhausting. My ex partner would ask me about something (say sth that happened or a past discussion between us) and if I didn’t tell exactly how it happened & paraphrased it he’d accuse me of lying.
I simply didn’t remember the details.
It ruined our relationship.

I can see why that would be exhausting. don't do that though.

I don't expect him to agree with me. I don't question him about things beyond normal conversation and there are things (like the pvertime) that I would take at face value.

The problem is that because I know he lies about very small insignificant things, it makes me wonder when he says something now if it is the truth or not.

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AreHisPantsOnFire · 29/01/2025 12:41

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What does that have to do with lying?

I just don't want to be lied to.

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AreHisPantsOnFire · 29/01/2025 12:42

Edenmum2 · 29/01/2025 10:11

Whether you think you've pressured him or not, he is obviously desperate to please you.

If he came to you and said 'actually I don't care about sex and nudity in films, sometimes I enjoy it' - what would your reaction be?

I don't know. I might just say that we're doffeent onthat respect akd as long as he doesn't try to make me watch it, there's no problem.

I might ask why he enjoys it to try and understand his perspective but tbh I probably wouldn't say anything. We're all different after all.

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poemsandwine · 29/01/2025 12:44

Sounds like an exhausting relationship. Mostly for him.

speakball · 29/01/2025 13:24

Op no one doesn’t lie. We all do so I’m surprised you can’t recognise any time you have lied.

speakball · 29/01/2025 13:31

I've explained to him what I don't want to watch and why

it might help if you explain here why you don’t like sexual scenes if you feel comfortable to.

astl · 29/01/2025 13:38

I feel sorry for him.

In relation to the films/sex scenes, there are a number of options. He could be telling the truth and doesn't enjoy them, but tolerates them in order to enjoy the rest of the film/series.
I don't enjoy watching violence but I've watched films with violent scenes in order to watch the rest of the film.
I don't enjoy watching rape scenes but I've watched films with rape scenes in them as it's part of the wider storyline.

Re the overtime - you've got no idea if he's lying or not. It's a gut feeling based on the fact he doesn't discuss it in detail. Feels like a massive leap to assume he's lying.

Re the kissing - maybe he genuinely thinks he has kissed you and has been half asleep himself or remembered another morning. I tell my Dd that I kiss her goodnight every night before I go to bed myself. I do most nights but I couldn't hand on heart swear I do it every single night. Worse case he's "lying" but I doubt you'll ever meet someone that never tells that type of white lie.
If you are that strict on being 100% honest, then could you not be classed as lying on the basis that you pretend to be asleep to catch him out?

I think this is more of a 'you' issue.

MsMarch · 29/01/2025 13:43

I think you are actually calling things lies that most people wouldn't.

I also dont like random nakedness or hectic sex scenes. But a) what I consider to be that level might be different to you and b) I dont' actively refuse to watch shows that have them. Just the other day I was watching somethign I was enjoying and then there was a completely unnecessary and detailed sex scene and I was mildly irritated about it but it didn't stop me watching the show.

I don't know why ou think he's lying about overtime. Simetimes he has things to say abot it, sometimes he doesn't.

As for the mornings, it could be that he's telling a bit of a white lie there buti think it's equally possible that you are more asleep than you realise. Surely we've all experienced this - convinced we've been lying awake since 5 am or something and then the alarm goes off and we realise at some point we drifted off.

"Don't tell me I'm beautiful becuase I'm not" .That's ridiculous. If your DH loves you, he may well consider you to be beautiful. Why on earth do you thiknk you have a right to tell him what he thinks?

The point is that you sound hard work.

Snackler · 29/01/2025 14:01

I disagree with the PPs. I never lie. I've been married 7 years and have never yet caught my DH in even the smallest white lie. If he did, I'd call him out on it straight away and would want to understand why he had done it.
I would not put up with ongoing lies, whether 'white' or not. We are married, and are supposed to be each other's biggest supporters. We are not supposed to gaslight each other and let each other believe untruths just for an easy life.

Snackler · 29/01/2025 14:06

He is allowed to think you are beautiful though!
I genuinely think that my DH is the most beautiful man I have ever seen. Every single bit of his face is so stunning I could look at him forever. But I guess since he doesn't have women staring at him in the street that he is actually probably bog standard, like me! Love can make someone seem far more beautiful than they actually are, objectively.

AreHisPantsOnFire · 29/01/2025 20:27

speakball · 29/01/2025 13:31

I've explained to him what I don't want to watch and why

it might help if you explain here why you don’t like sexual scenes if you feel comfortable to.

It's not really relevant what my reasons are. Im comfortable with my decision and see no reason to try and change for not reason.

I dotn expect my partner to agree. I've ekver expected him to and explicitly told him that I don't expect him to agree.

I don't expect him to lie though. Because that's just disrespectful.

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AreHisPantsOnFire · 29/01/2025 20:29

I think you are actually calling things lies that most people wouldn't.

Well, I would see a lie to be a deliberate untruth.

If someone goes out of the way unnecessarily to tell me something that isn't true when they could have just said nothing as an acceptable alternative or even, crazy idea i know, the truth, then they've lied.

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