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AIBU to think that most relationships will end with an OVERLAP with a new relationship.

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morningpaper · 06/05/2008 21:47

I don't get this thing on MN whereby married people are expected to end marriages before embarking on other relationships.

This idea of people (except you always mean 'woman' ) being "slappers" if they enter relationships with married people makes me think lots of you have very little understanding of how relationships work.

  • To be blunt, I would be FAR more upset if DH left me for a lonely life as a single person in a bedsit than for a new relationship. I think the former is FAR more insulting. I have a close friend whose husband did this and it was MORTIFYING every time people said "Oh darlng, was there someone else?" and she had to say "No" (unspoken message: 'I am just too horrific to live with').
  • People need support when they end relationships - and that support often comes from a new relationship.
  • If people ended every marriage at the first sniff of new romance, or at the first feelings of dissatisfaction, then none of our relationships would last more than a year or two! It is often a new relationship that gives people the impetus to re-evaluate their lives.
  • Most relationships become very "stale" after a certain amount of time - society tells us we must WORK at our relationships after the desire has gone, but WHY? Why not just accept that our partners or ourselves might be MORE happy in a new relationships - we have changed and grown, after all.

I have several friends in relationships with married people - and I expect a lot of you do, too, but they probably don't tell you because you are so HORRIFIED at the idea. Such relationships generally end in a lot of DESPAIR but they are part of life.

When you talk about "ending relationships before starting new ones" it sounds to me just like people who talk about not having sex before marriage - a great ideal (perhaps), but not realistic for 99% of people.

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morningpaper · 07/05/2008 13:49

And yes one does say no if one wants to say no

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BrassicaNapusNapobrassica · 07/05/2008 13:50

I can't imagine anything more absurd than one of my male friends leaning in for a kiss. It has happened to me a few times in the past, but it's always been alcohol assisted (it doesn't say much about me does it ).

Oliveoil · 07/05/2008 13:50

arf

I have to go and work now (boo, hiss) I will be back

batters · 07/05/2008 13:50

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morningpaper · 07/05/2008 13:51

I don't think anyone has said there is no way to avoid it

no means no innit

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littlewoman · 07/05/2008 13:51

Agree madamez. I do also believe that it is propaganda. If the cultural norm is no longer monogamous marriage, we need to educate our children so they can be prepared for the kind of life which they will most likely experience, and will therefore need to make informed choices about (such as whether or not to have children, get married etc) instead of reading them the happy ever after stories and buying them dressing-up wedding dresses, toy prams & ironing boards.

BrassicaNapusNapobrassica · 07/05/2008 13:52

MP - Being propositioned by a married man is quite a long way from what I believe romance to be. If a married man propositions another woman, it means he has absolutely no respect for his wife or the woman he propositioning.

WideWebWitch · 07/05/2008 13:52

We need a "Just say No" campaign

"did you neighbour lean in a bit too close to kiss you goodnight?"

" Did your best friends husband propostion you behind the washing basket?"

Just Say No.

Oliveoil · 07/05/2008 13:54

oh piss off with your propaganda bullshit

fgs, you lot make me laugh

what is wrong with having a long term, happy relationship?

I have not been brainwashed!

I am going to do some work now

WideWebWitch · 07/05/2008 13:55

OO, I have a long term happy relationship, I am arguing for honesty and fidelity

Oliveoil · 07/05/2008 13:56

I don't mean you, I mean the weirdos further down

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littlewoman · 07/05/2008 13:58

I didn't say you'd been brainwashed Oliveoil, not at all. It was a theoretical argument, that's all. I've had a few in this thread, and I do actually believe in marriage as a good thing for children (and spouses, if they can manage it! Shame for me that I just couldn't).

Doesn't mean I can't have a bit of a twiddle with theorising. I like it!

littlewoman · 07/05/2008 14:00

Most people ignore them. You're the first person to answer and you told me to piss off

OrmIrian · 07/05/2008 14:05

I think it's prefectly possible to have a long and happy monogamous relationship. Many couples have. But I do think there is a problem with the concept of marriage as we see it now. Marriage was a social and economic construct. For the benefit of society in all the ways that the marriage service mentions. It is now seen as the ultimate proof of romantic love. It can't be both. It can be a social and economic construct that ends up with mutual respect and love. It can begin as romantic love that fades to mutual love and respect. But I don't think that any monogamous relationship can stay passionate and exciting for ever. Which is fine. As long as we don't continue to peddle the myth that married life will remain thrilling and passionate for ever and ever. Because in the vase majority of cases it won't. And disillusionment will follow.

batters · 07/05/2008 14:10

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soapbox · 07/05/2008 14:11

I think that 'falling in love' probably means different things to different people.

For me falling in love is not something I do at all easily. I suspect that what MP is describing as falling in love, would equate more to my falling in lust

Fun, but far from the same thing!

littlelapin · 07/05/2008 14:11

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WideWebWitch · 07/05/2008 14:13

I am reading this atm

oiFoiF · 07/05/2008 14:14

morningpaper, are you having an affair, er I mean overlap? you seem pretty obsessed with all this stuff just lately

littlelapin · 07/05/2008 14:15

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oiFoiF · 07/05/2008 14:17

so do i littlelapin otherwise I wouldnt have even bothered

littlewoman · 07/05/2008 14:20

So did I littlelapin, but it didn't. To get it straight in my head, I had to kill him .

Lol @ pollyanna world!! There's nothing wrong with dreams. Wish I still had some.

OrmIrian, good post, again.

Anna8888 · 07/05/2008 14:22

I have just come to this thread.

I utterly agree with morningpaper, except perhaps on her last point - I do believe that relationships/life has to be "worked" at and I think it is better, in the name of family stability, to work at relationships if they still have something going for them. Family breakdown and divorce is very tough on all concerned, even if it can and does have good outcomes (I was just speaking to my father on the phone and he commented about the pictures of my daughter and stepsons on our recent holiday that we had sent my parents that "the children all looked so very happy").

littlelapin · 07/05/2008 14:22

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DefinitelyNotMARINAWheeler · 07/05/2008 14:23

Me too ladies (that book looks interesting www )
Am neither stupid nor sexually deprived