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Partner is a serial online cheat

118 replies

Plantsandplanets · 21/01/2025 17:28

I am absolutely floored.

i have been with my partner for over 4 years, we live together, and have planned a whole life together. He's the most wonderful man I've ever met, makes me feel loved, valued and respected every day, and treats my child like his own. I had a difficult childhood and spend years in a very abusive relationship before I met him and, though it took me a long time to trust him, he's helped me rebuild my confidence and helped to show me my worth. I adore him and pinch myself every day because I can't believe how lucky I am.

Last night I saw a notification for some kind of cam girl app pop up on his phone. Having never had any cause to check his phone before, this made me suspicious and I had a look.

Oh my fucking god. I found several foreign apps that are renowned for being used by sex workers abroad. He has made accounts and sent HUNDREDS of messages dating back over a year. Every message is similar, with him talking in an utterly disgusting way. No chatting or anything like that, just straight up instant filth and demands. Inviting these women to 'come fuck me in my hotel' (with a link to a hotel in the Philippines). He's been requesting photos and videos.

Utterly depraved stuff. One message had an escort respond and say she was with her friend but was on her period. He replied telling her to bring her friend and 'I'll fuck you both in the arse'. 'Let's fuck without a condom, I don't care if you're not clean' etc. Absolutely rancid, degrading talk which is nothing like the man I know.

The cam girl app showed he has been making several calls a day for private viewings.

These aren't burner accounts - he has added photos of himself (several are cropped images. Me and my daughter are in the originals which makes me sick to my stomach).

I immediately confronted him and he has now admitted everything to me (after being backed into a corner). He has always been a little insecure because he has big issues with erectile dysfunction and being able to ejaculate at all. This is something i have always been very supportive over and have mentioned therapy or seeing his doctor but have never pushed the issue as i didnt want him to think I thought it was a big deal. It turns out his insecurity runs much deeper than I knew, and he has essentially been living a totally different life online to over compensate for the reality of his condition. Apparently he never wanted to actually meet any of these women (hence why they are all foreign apps with him pretending to live abroad etc) but was getting some kind of validation by pretending to be someone able to do the things he can't. validation from someone paid to fucking do these things

He's devastated, keeps saying how disgusted and ashamed he is and how he's buried his head in the sand because of how emasculating the condition is for him. He has made an appointment to speak with a therapist and a doctor and has deleted all the apps. He has offered full transparency and access to his devices and accounts.

But how am I supposed to feel about this? Sexual intent towards anyone else is cheating in my relationship, and he has sent revoltingly explicit messages to hundreds of women. He has laid next to me in bed telling me he loves me and planning our lives together and 10 minutes after I'm asleep has invited prostitutes to hotels on the other side of the world. He's utterly betrayed me, destroyed my trust, and he is not the man I thought he was if he's been able to compartmentalise his life and justify this obscene behaviour for so long. I'm no shrinking violet, and had he asked to do some kind of role play etc in the bedroom I'd have happily given it a go. If he'd told me how much his issue was affecting him mentally, I'd have been there with him every step of the recovery process. He claims he doesn't actually want to do any of these things to women and knows how vile it is, but he's also been pleasuring himself while saying them.

How can I now stand by a man who has shown me what lengths he will go to to avoid facing a problem head on? A man who has treated hundreds of women like they are bits of meat for his enjoyment, and who has gotten off on speaking to them that way. Yes, he's now seeking help, but purely because I have backed him into a corner. He hasn't come clean of his own accord, and if I hadn't found out he would still be doing it right now. He's shown himself to be a liar, a serial cheat, and an utterly selfish coward.

I genuinely feel sorry for him and do believe all this stems from some seriously deep rooted mental health issues. But I also know I am worth so much more than this. He hasn't considered me or our life together at all, and has made the active choice to put this disgusting behaviour first. I hope he does get the help he clearly needs, but I will never again let myself be in a relationship without trust, or one where I am forced to live in a constant state of worry and paranoid and hypervigilance because of someone else's actions.

I don't know what I'm posting for really. A vent more than anything else. If this was happening to anyone else I would tell them to show him the door and never look back. I'm heartbroken.

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Jellycatspyjamas · 21/01/2025 23:21

I know, I think I had some stupid naive preconceived notion of how people who act that way towards women come across

I read that as you thought there would be signs in his day to day life that he could treat women so badly, that on the surface he treated you respectfully and was someone you thought was safe while behaving abusively towards other, in his mind, lesser women. Not that you thought middle class men couldn’t be sleazy fuckers much as you thought you’d see signs of it in his daily life.

StrawberryDream24 · 21/01/2025 23:27

I'm trying to come to terms with not only getting rid of him, but putting a stop to the future and life I thought I was going to have with him

Time is the only thing that will help you.

As I read in a novel about a break up "the whole world fell apart ...... Then, gradually, the whole world put itself back together again".

Catoo · 21/01/2025 23:31

Don’t fall for his BS.

Many men have ED and they don’t message prostitutes telling them they will fuck them in the arse.

He’s a common garden pervert I’m afraid. And maybe the ED is tied up with it all.

Now you know how he really views women and sex, time to get him out of you and your daughter’s lives.

I would do anything to get him out of your home at this point. ‘You must leave or I will tell your family/friends’ etc.

I’m sorry he turned out to be a vile man. 💐

hotfirelog · 21/01/2025 23:32

Awful situation. But I'd say ED is because he can only perform to porn and fantasies. He'd lived a lie with you. He's prob always watched this stuff and interacted with it so 'normal sec' doesn't do it for him. But he liked having your home & company

hotfirelog · 21/01/2025 23:33

'Normal sex'

Circumferences · 21/01/2025 23:34

My main concern is these vulnerable women he's tricked into going to some motel in the hope of getting some work, but he's not even there!!
Who DOES that to.someone???
I can't believe this is real.

Plantsandplanets · 21/01/2025 23:45

Circumferences · 21/01/2025 23:34

My main concern is these vulnerable women he's tricked into going to some motel in the hope of getting some work, but he's not even there!!
Who DOES that to.someone???
I can't believe this is real.

It's disgusting. I asked similar and he said he didn't even think of them as real people which is just more repulsive misogyny. Real enough for him to prefer them to porn but not real enough for him to consider or care about how he's taking advantage of vulnerable women in a third world country.

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Plantsandplanets · 21/01/2025 23:51

It's all so much to take in so suddenly. I almost feel like I'm overreacting (wonderful side effect of being gaslighted previously) so knowing how despicable others know this behaviour is is grounding me. You'd think it was obvious, and it is, but I'm in complete shock and I don't think I'm processing it yet. His behaviour is utterly inexcusable though and as much as I wish he was still the man I loved and as much as I keep trying to convince myself he is still that man, he absolutely isn't.

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Catoo · 21/01/2025 23:51

Circumferences · 21/01/2025 23:34

My main concern is these vulnerable women he's tricked into going to some motel in the hope of getting some work, but he's not even there!!
Who DOES that to.someone???
I can't believe this is real.

I expect these women in the Philippines are used to sad British perverts contacting them making bogus plans to meet up and saying repulsive things to them.

They will have some way of confirming location (IP) or getting payment or something before heading out to random hotels.

Sigh

NotaCoolMum · 21/01/2025 23:52

I had virtually the exact same happen to me. Had been with him for 6 years- turns out he was messaging escorts/virtual cam girls etc. I confronted him and of course got a massive sob story (that I told him to stick up his arse). I found a new home and one day a couple of weeks after confronting him, while he was at work, I had friends come round and they helped me pack up and I moved out without even saying goodbye. Absolute bellends these men. Please leave this scummy guy- he’s not a good person if he can deceive you so easily. There’s plenty of men out there who are nice and don’t message whores behind their partners back! ❤️‍🩹

Stressedoutmum6274 · 22/01/2025 00:07

Leave him
get checked at the sexual health clinic
file for divorce!

Circumferences · 22/01/2025 00:09

Catoo · 21/01/2025 23:51

I expect these women in the Philippines are used to sad British perverts contacting them making bogus plans to meet up and saying repulsive things to them.

They will have some way of confirming location (IP) or getting payment or something before heading out to random hotels.

Sigh

Vulnerable women are used to it.

Ok that's fine then.

CheekyHobson · 22/01/2025 01:14

StrawberryDream24 · 21/01/2025 23:09

Yep, he enjoys degrading women.

That's got FA to do with Erectile Dysfunction.

Well, it may insofar as he might struggle to get it up when he’s not able to treat a woman like a piece of trash.

Catoo · 22/01/2025 01:16

Circumferences · 22/01/2025 00:09

Vulnerable women are used to it.

Ok that's fine then.

No one said it’s fine. But I doubt they fall for it. They will pretty quickly filter out the time wasters.

StrawberryDream24 · 22/01/2025 08:26

Catoo · 22/01/2025 01:16

No one said it’s fine. But I doubt they fall for it. They will pretty quickly filter out the time wasters.

Kinda weird that one of them was saying she couldn't perform full services due to her time of the month - if she could immediately see he's in the UK and not in her region.

You wouldn't bother communicating.

I think he does it with foreign women in third world countries because he's likely to get further with the "sex" chat before he's blocked.

Prostitutes here often don't even do their own bookings ...some have bookers and pimps. You can see that in UK punting reviews. Sometimes the men complain about not even getting the woman in the profile.

I think he does it on foreign sites because they're not as likely to block him immediately (and communicate about him with other bookers).

(Also you could get a VoIP phone number and noone would know where your no. was really based, unless they are techie enough to investigate).

Anonym00se · 22/01/2025 08:38

StrawberryDream24 · 21/01/2025 23:09

Yep, he enjoys degrading women.

That's got FA to do with Erectile Dysfunction.

If you read up on porn/sex addiction you’d learn that the two go very much hand in hand.

  • Starts using porn
  • Initially objectify porn actresses
  • Porn use increases
  • Eventually see ALL women as objects for his own sexual gratification.
  • Loses ability to have intimate relationships
  • Develops ED because he’s devoid of intimacy and because he’s wanking numerous times a day.
Christl78 · 22/01/2025 08:42

Anonym00se · 22/01/2025 08:38

If you read up on porn/sex addiction you’d learn that the two go very much hand in hand.

  • Starts using porn
  • Initially objectify porn actresses
  • Porn use increases
  • Eventually see ALL women as objects for his own sexual gratification.
  • Loses ability to have intimate relationships
  • Develops ED because he’s devoid of intimacy and because he’s wanking numerous times a day.

My ex husband…glad I got rid of him

StrawberryDream24 · 22/01/2025 08:43

Eventually see ALL women as objects for his own sexual gratification.

Wouldn't they include his partner, she's a woman. Or does he go through a phase of objectifying her with ALL women and then come out of it to see her as a non sex object?

Also I'd take anything men say about "sex addiction" with a very big pinch of salt.

Child sex abusers also tend to claim sex addiction and say watching CSA images & videos was an escalation from adult porn.
I take that with a salt-mine sized grain of salt.

The studies and therapists are only reporting what they're told by the men ...but sometimes people tell the same lies; use the same scripts quite consistently.

Because the scripts make others much more sympathetic than the truth.

StrawberryDream24 · 22/01/2025 08:48

I would also be very careful about rolling out "sex addiction" ..... Cheaters and punters, when caught, often default to crying "sex addiction".

But lots of their behaviour doesn't meet the criteria for an addiction. It's a much better script for getting people's sympathy and keeping their cosy setup than "I'm just a cheater, I'm just a punter" though.

StrawberryDream24 · 22/01/2025 08:53

If you read up on porn/sex addiction you’d learn that the two go very much hand in hand.

Has it occurred to you that enjoying degrading women doesn't have to go hand in hand with anything?

A significant portion of men just enjoy dominating and degrading women sexually. That's just their sexuality. I bet the prostitutes of the past (when porn was a grainy picture of a woman holding her skirts up) would report that consistently.

I know you may not want to see that. Because it's more disturbing than the "sex addiction" and "porn caused this" theories.

StrawberryDream24 · 22/01/2025 09:00

If you read up on porn/sex addiction you’d learn that the two go very much hand in hand.

Using porn and sex addiction and two very different things.

Lots of people (mostly men by the looks of it) use porn regularly for decades and do not become either "sex addicts" or, as you are arguing, have their sexuality/triggers/turn ons become about the degradation of women.

Loads of men watch porn that is not degrading, and that doesn't change. If degradation is not their "trigger" they don't spend much time watching videos of degrading sex/searching out videos of degrading sex. It doesn't become their thing.

Anonym00se · 22/01/2025 09:27

@StrawberryDream24

I use the term sex “addiction” loosely. Whether it’s actually an addiction, or a compulsion, it’s the same beast. It’s a behaviour that has escalated to extremely unhealthy levels, is difficult to control and is having detrimental effects on someone’s life and often the lives of their partners and families.

I don’t know which it is, I’m not a neuroscientist, but I use ‘addiction’ because that’s what it’s known as commonly. Same as gambling addiction.

I also agree that many men use it as a kop out when caught cheating, and also that many men enjoy degrading women and always have. That’s not up for debate.

I’m talking specifically about men who previously had normal beliefs about women and healthy relationships who are subsequently are gripped by porn and develop disgusting sexual habits and even more disgusting beliefs about women as a result. They compulsively wank and become agitated and angry if they’re stopped. They almost always develop ED, often in their teens and twenties. ED is endemic now, and that’s only since the advent of internet porn.

I don’t agree that men search for more extreme porn because they intrinsically enjoy degradation. When you’re using porn three, four, ten times a day whatever you’re watching becomes ‘samey’ and stops giving you a kick. So you look for something different. That’s the same for any enjoyable behaviour. It’s scientifically proven that porn causes changes in neural pathways, and how the use of porn escalates in some individuals and at the same time, shuts off the part of the brain that controls intimacy.

I understand that there are many ‘normal’ porn users who don’t use porn to excess and enjoy it, who absolutely refuse to countenance that porn can be devastating to thousands of people. I enjoy a glass of wine, but not too often. I still accept that people can be alcoholics.

StrawberryDream24 · 22/01/2025 09:33

I use the term sex “addiction” loosely. Whether it’s actually an addiction, or a compulsion, it’s the same beast

No, it's not. You shouldn't be using the term."sex addiction" to refer "loosely" to anything.

StrawberryDream24 · 22/01/2025 09:35

I don’t agree that men search for more extreme porn because they intrinsically enjoy degradation.

also that many men enjoy degrading women and always have. That’s not up for debate.

You are contradicting yourself.

StrawberryDream24 · 22/01/2025 09:38

I use ‘addiction’ because that’s what it’s known as commonly

If excess porn use, cam sex (online prostitute) use, prostitute browsing & messaging, degrading prostitutes verbally etc is commonly known as "sex addiction" that only goes to prove that men who cry sex addiction are winning with their propaganda and misinformation.

Not that it's relevant.