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Partner is a serial online cheat

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Plantsandplanets · 21/01/2025 17:28

I am absolutely floored.

i have been with my partner for over 4 years, we live together, and have planned a whole life together. He's the most wonderful man I've ever met, makes me feel loved, valued and respected every day, and treats my child like his own. I had a difficult childhood and spend years in a very abusive relationship before I met him and, though it took me a long time to trust him, he's helped me rebuild my confidence and helped to show me my worth. I adore him and pinch myself every day because I can't believe how lucky I am.

Last night I saw a notification for some kind of cam girl app pop up on his phone. Having never had any cause to check his phone before, this made me suspicious and I had a look.

Oh my fucking god. I found several foreign apps that are renowned for being used by sex workers abroad. He has made accounts and sent HUNDREDS of messages dating back over a year. Every message is similar, with him talking in an utterly disgusting way. No chatting or anything like that, just straight up instant filth and demands. Inviting these women to 'come fuck me in my hotel' (with a link to a hotel in the Philippines). He's been requesting photos and videos.

Utterly depraved stuff. One message had an escort respond and say she was with her friend but was on her period. He replied telling her to bring her friend and 'I'll fuck you both in the arse'. 'Let's fuck without a condom, I don't care if you're not clean' etc. Absolutely rancid, degrading talk which is nothing like the man I know.

The cam girl app showed he has been making several calls a day for private viewings.

These aren't burner accounts - he has added photos of himself (several are cropped images. Me and my daughter are in the originals which makes me sick to my stomach).

I immediately confronted him and he has now admitted everything to me (after being backed into a corner). He has always been a little insecure because he has big issues with erectile dysfunction and being able to ejaculate at all. This is something i have always been very supportive over and have mentioned therapy or seeing his doctor but have never pushed the issue as i didnt want him to think I thought it was a big deal. It turns out his insecurity runs much deeper than I knew, and he has essentially been living a totally different life online to over compensate for the reality of his condition. Apparently he never wanted to actually meet any of these women (hence why they are all foreign apps with him pretending to live abroad etc) but was getting some kind of validation by pretending to be someone able to do the things he can't. validation from someone paid to fucking do these things

He's devastated, keeps saying how disgusted and ashamed he is and how he's buried his head in the sand because of how emasculating the condition is for him. He has made an appointment to speak with a therapist and a doctor and has deleted all the apps. He has offered full transparency and access to his devices and accounts.

But how am I supposed to feel about this? Sexual intent towards anyone else is cheating in my relationship, and he has sent revoltingly explicit messages to hundreds of women. He has laid next to me in bed telling me he loves me and planning our lives together and 10 minutes after I'm asleep has invited prostitutes to hotels on the other side of the world. He's utterly betrayed me, destroyed my trust, and he is not the man I thought he was if he's been able to compartmentalise his life and justify this obscene behaviour for so long. I'm no shrinking violet, and had he asked to do some kind of role play etc in the bedroom I'd have happily given it a go. If he'd told me how much his issue was affecting him mentally, I'd have been there with him every step of the recovery process. He claims he doesn't actually want to do any of these things to women and knows how vile it is, but he's also been pleasuring himself while saying them.

How can I now stand by a man who has shown me what lengths he will go to to avoid facing a problem head on? A man who has treated hundreds of women like they are bits of meat for his enjoyment, and who has gotten off on speaking to them that way. Yes, he's now seeking help, but purely because I have backed him into a corner. He hasn't come clean of his own accord, and if I hadn't found out he would still be doing it right now. He's shown himself to be a liar, a serial cheat, and an utterly selfish coward.

I genuinely feel sorry for him and do believe all this stems from some seriously deep rooted mental health issues. But I also know I am worth so much more than this. He hasn't considered me or our life together at all, and has made the active choice to put this disgusting behaviour first. I hope he does get the help he clearly needs, but I will never again let myself be in a relationship without trust, or one where I am forced to live in a constant state of worry and paranoid and hypervigilance because of someone else's actions.

I don't know what I'm posting for really. A vent more than anything else. If this was happening to anyone else I would tell them to show him the door and never look back. I'm heartbroken.

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Plantsandplanets · 21/01/2025 20:31

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I know, I think I had some stupid naive preconceived notion of how people who act that way towards women come across and I'm just astonished I never had the slightest idea he was capable of being that disgusting. I don't think I worded it very well and can't work out how to edit the comment!

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Crikeyalmighty · 21/01/2025 20:31

@Plantsandplanets I'm somewhat amazed you are capable of writing lucid thoughtful posts at this time- when I found stuff I didn't like, I was incapable of functioning at all for several days -

Plantsandplanets · 21/01/2025 20:36

Crikeyalmighty · 21/01/2025 20:31

@Plantsandplanets I'm somewhat amazed you are capable of writing lucid thoughtful posts at this time- when I found stuff I didn't like, I was incapable of functioning at all for several days -

I'm so sorry that happened to you. What is wrong with these people?! I found out in the early hours of Monday morning and haven't slept since so I'm not sure how I'm forming sentences right now. I'm disassociating, it's like I'm floating on the ceiling and watching a nightmare unfold.

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commonsense61 · 21/01/2025 20:38

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Crikeyalmighty · 21/01/2025 20:47

@Plantsandplanets yes I felt totally like that too, like a long long hangover - I kept thinking 'why me ?? - I'm a kind person, trusting, clever, put him first - etc -

Plantsandplanets · 21/01/2025 21:02

Crikeyalmighty · 21/01/2025 20:47

@Plantsandplanets yes I felt totally like that too, like a long long hangover - I kept thinking 'why me ?? - I'm a kind person, trusting, clever, put him first - etc -

Exactly. I'm an intelligent, self sufficient, kind and attractive woman - why wasn't I enough. I know it's entirely his fault but I'm sat here wondering what the hell it is about me that seems to draw complete narcissism, why wasn't I enough for him, why couldn't he just talk to me if he was allegedly struggling so much he ended up doing this. Tying myself in knots over something he's managed to do and maintain for over a year without me having a clue. He claims he felt awful doing it, but he evidently didn't feel bad enough to get his hand out his pants and stop. At heart I know I've done nothing wrong, and if there was anything he needed in the relationship which he wasn't getting it was on him to voice, but it's all just so completely insane. I know it's easy to say 'throw that man away' but this has come so out the blue and I'm trying to come to terms with not only getting rid of him, but putting a stop to the future and life I thought I was going to have with him

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Crikeyalmighty · 21/01/2025 21:24

@Plantsandplanets - I've learnt it's not you OP in any way , it's them - life can get a bit Groundhog Day and many men ( and a few women too) simply love sleaze as a secretive kind of ego buzz - I honestly think the secrecy is half the buzz for them - if you actually said, no problem crack on with this and do send me copies of your messages - suddenly they would 'lose' the habit . It's a mental issue but as others have said you don't need 'a project' - and to be frank itsa complete turn off and chances are you wouldn't ever want sex again after seeing it - so better to put him out his misery - he blew it !!

Brigitte33 · 21/01/2025 21:37

"I may have worded my previous response poorly - I just meant I never even had an inkling he could think or speak to and about women like that, and I previously had an image of the kind of man who did those things and it was nothing like him. Like I say, absolute naivety at it's finest.

I know I'll never be able to forgive or move on from this in the relationship. I think I'm in a state of shock, it's all come out so abruptly."

Don't blame yourself for anything here. Don't think you are naive just because you trusted him.
You should be able to trust your partner, he's the one that's shattered that, but don't let it break your trust elsewhere with new partners.
I understand you have an idea in Your head of the kind of men that would treat women that way, we all do, and it must be shocking to find out you were with one of them.
Be gentle on yourself, theres a clear decision and action to be made which makes it easy.

Loki64 · 21/01/2025 21:47

He doesnt have an ED issue.

Theextraordinaryisintheordinary · 21/01/2025 21:51

You’re going to get through this. At the moment it must feel like everything is falling apart but one day you will tell your daughter you didn’t tolerate his behaviour and that example will help keep her head on her shoulders through life. He’ll be devastated I’m sure but he shouldn’t have risked what he had with you. He gambled and lost. He must feel a lot of shame too.

Keep calm and dignified and quietly move on with your life. There’s so much good stuff waiting for you. x

StMarie4me · 21/01/2025 21:59

TipsyJoker · 21/01/2025 17:46

He prob has erection issues be side he’s addicted to horrific debased porn and struggles to get it up under circumstances which aren’t extreme. He sounds utterly vile. This is the real inner man. You’ve seen him now. I would get rid of him immediately.

Totally agree with this.

StrawberryDream24 · 21/01/2025 22:14

I don't believe he behaves like this solely or even mainly because of his ED, sorry.

It's a line.

StrawberryDream24 · 21/01/2025 22:16

why wasn't I enough?

He messages (highly likely) vulnerable, exploited sex workers about fucking them and their mate up the arse ..... And you're asking why a normal, nice, attractive woman isn't enough??

You're making this a you problem, when it's blatantly a him problem.

StrawberryDream24 · 21/01/2025 22:17

Anyway, one advantage is that you can now meet a man - if and when you choose to - who can actually get it up, and have some nice sex.

ParsonBrown · 21/01/2025 22:26

Get this guy the fuck away from your daughter. He isn't sorry and he won't stop, he's just sorry he got caught. Lucky you found out now tbh

StrawberryDream24 · 21/01/2025 22:28

I'm no shrinking violet, and had he asked to do some kind of role play etc in the bedroom I'd have happily given it a go

Would you really want to roleplay being a prostitute in a deprived, third world, non democracy; being ordered to a hotel room and to bring your mate, so you could both be fucked up the arse by a middle aged white guy, with no protection for comparatively little money (to him).

I'm guessing not.

Snoopydroopy · 21/01/2025 22:30

Just want to say I'm so sorry. I've not had exactly the same, but had a shocking sexual reveal.

Please get rid of him for your own sanity. It will be tough but please don't stay.

StrawberryDream24 · 21/01/2025 22:31

How can I now stand by a man who has shown me what lengths he will go to to avoid facing a problem head on?

He's jedi mind tricked you into believing this is all an attempted solution to his ED ..... I'd have my doubts.

StrawberryDream24 · 21/01/2025 22:44

"Let's fuck without a condom, I don't care if you're not clean"

Presume this means std-wise?

Yey, let's role play contracting hiv off a prostitute in a third world country.

Even if this were due to ED (hmm) - it's interesting the scenarios that are his turn ons;

Prostitution.
Third world prostitution.
Std spreading.
Anal sex.
Threesomes.
Being dominant, disrespectful, degrading and peremptory towards younger prostitutes.
Etc

I'm not sure what feeling insecure about ED has to do with these turn ons. If he had more average, non exploitative, non degrading and non high risk turn ons; wouldn't he just be "exploring" those with the women unfortunate enough to deal with him?

He could want to fantasise about a scenario in which he can fuck like nobody's business but if he didn't have the turn ons above, the scenario wouldn't have them in it. It would just be "beautiful self employed escort comes to hotel room/beautiful stranger in hotel bar comes up to hotel room, they go down on each other, they have lots of good sex, he acquits himself like a stud, blah blah".

But it's not. Which is nothing to do with ED.

Crikeyalmighty · 21/01/2025 22:56

@Plantsandplanets it has sod all to do with his ED OP - to him it's just been a sleazy fun game !!

StrawberryDream24 · 21/01/2025 23:05

If it was me - and it looked like he had ever actually caused a third world prostitute to pay for an unnecessary/fraudulent trip to a hotel - I would give him the impression that I was willing to consider staying - only long enough to get him to agree to transfer money to any woman whose time or money he took (from women who have very little of the latter). I'd say that's the only way I'd consider staying with him. That he compensates them for degrading them, wasting their time and trying to waste their money on a trip to a hotel. I'd make sure he did it in a way that couldn't be reversed (apple cards maybe) and then dump him like the piece of shit he is.

healthybychristmas · 21/01/2025 23:08

Sexually he's disgusting. What he did financially with those women is disgusting as well. If he was having flirtatious chats or romantic chats that would be different, although horrible too. But the violence and aggression in his messages is so appalling I don't know how you can keep him in the house. I would want him to leave ASAP.

StrawberryDream24 · 21/01/2025 23:09

healthybychristmas · 21/01/2025 23:08

Sexually he's disgusting. What he did financially with those women is disgusting as well. If he was having flirtatious chats or romantic chats that would be different, although horrible too. But the violence and aggression in his messages is so appalling I don't know how you can keep him in the house. I would want him to leave ASAP.

Yep, he enjoys degrading women.

That's got FA to do with Erectile Dysfunction.

Antisanctimonious · 21/01/2025 23:13

Op, I could have written your original message, this happened to me....
CAUTION
After I asked him to leave I was devastated and started to believe that I had thrown away a good relationship over something that could be worked on with the right help.
He came back with my blessings and many conditions. After all there are many documented cases of porn/sex addiction and successful therapies.
I was even so smug as to think , if we can get through this we'll have a stronger relationship.
All I taught him was that he could get away with it. After this he became much more careful and more clever at hiding things.
His fetishes became more pronounced and involved. He got involved with making amateur porn videos and posted them on one of the many free websites. There were even photographs of my bare behind & v*** taken under bedclothes, presumably when I was asleep- I recognised my duvet cover & pillows. There were other more dark & hideous things which I can't go into on here.
All the time I was thinking we had made it through and had come out the other side.
All the time on the outside we appeared to be a normal, happy & loving couple. To this day most of my friends don't know the details as I was so ashamed.
When I found out and saw with my own eyes what he had done and was still doing it nearly destroyed me.
When I threw him out the last time I had to threaten an injuction and exposure if he ever contacted me again. He never has and that was 10 years ago.
Reading your post I even considered whether it could be the same man, but I know there are very many like this. Their seeming perfection and 'love-bombing' in your own relationship is part of their profile too.
My advice should you want it is:
Stop considering giving this man a second chance because deep down there is a part of you that is.
He is not broken, this is who he is. He will only have ED in what we think of as a normal sex life.
What you know about will only be the tip of the iceberg.
He is deceitful & secretive and it WILL get worse, he will just be more careful in future.
You are better off by yourself than being involved with a person like this, he will mess you up and so affect you & your daughter's life VERY badly.
This took me years to get over and I chide myself so badly for that 2nd chance, don't do it.

StrawberryDream24 · 21/01/2025 23:19

He's booked a doctor, a therapist and has given you access to all his comms (well, who does't want to spend their free time investigating & monitoring another adult's activities online, who doesn't want to be a digital guard and parole officer, there's nothing more fun or rewarding you could be doing with your precious time, is there?) ......

So what's next in cheater/punter bingo?

Sex addiction.

Mental health problems.

Depression

Childhood trauma.

Feeling suicidal.

I particularly like how being a sleazy cheater is now always "sex addiction" when you're caught.

You might even get the "feeling ignored/neglected/insecure in the relationship" line; a nice roundabout way of trying to get you to take some responsibility & blame).

Funny how "sex addiction" didn't concern them.at all til they were caught.

And funny how they never usually raised the relationship problems until they were caught.

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