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Is he a Narcissist or depressed

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Nickij2024 · 15/12/2024 16:23

This is quite a long one.
Myself and my husband have been together for 11 years - married for 3 of them.
The start of our relationship was very full on, I was a single mum of 24 and he was 29 and had left his previous relationship 3 months before.
Within 2 months he was crying about how much he loved me and within 3 months we were living together.
Roll round to our 1 year anniversary and he proposed, a week later I found out I was pregnant.
For 8 years our relationship was generally great. We got on so well, laughed all the time, loved each other so much and just enjoyed life together.
The only concerns up to that point was that he was always very up and down. Not daily but he would go from idolising me (and I mean worshipped the ground I walked on) for months to then threatening to leave if I ever called him out on anything or he deemed me being ‘negative’. This would always result in me running to him and apologising and within 5 minutes of me doing that it was like nothing had happened and he would be back to worshipping me.
I became very codependent on him which was unlike me because prior to him I was very confident and secure.
After 8 years together we got married and had such a wonderful wedding. He made everyone in the room cry, grown men included with his speech about how much he loved me.
7 months later he went on a work trip to America for 6 weeks. Whilst away he admitted he was struggling and hadn’t been sleeping on top of working for 35 days in a row.
On the last couple of days I didn’t hear from him for 24 hours. He then texted me on his way to the airport to come home saying we needed to speak. Turns out he had slept with 3 separate women whilst away but continued to call me like nothing happened in between this time. The final woman he actually met up with twice and on the last day even bought her to the hotel he was staying at in front of all of his work friends who knew he was married.

It’s safe to say I was completely heartbroken and blind sided. When he walked in the house he was a completely different person and said the most hurtful things to me such as ‘it was the best sex I ever had’ and ‘I had feelings for her’ - baring in mind he met the 3rd one only twice.
He moved out of our family home and rented a room in a shared house. During this time I was very concerned about him as he had said he was feeling suicidal etc. He had been to the doctors and signed off work with burnout following the trip and they wanted to see him back for depression once he had started sleeping but he refused to go. I tried to support him and in the end 6 weeks later he went back to the doctors and was placed on antidepressants.
We had counselling together and it was basically explained to me as a perfect storm. Lack of sleep, being away from home, being lonely, mental health problems etc which led him to seek comfort in something that made him feel better. He admitted as much as he said he felt ‘empty’ when away and these women made him feel how I did which he missed.
Long story short we decided to work on our marriage and work through it. I forgave him but obviously the trust was never the same.

Roll on 2 years later. We were happy, still laughed everyday, he was affectionate, left me love notes before work, came home with flowers etc and was the person he always was.
Things then changed in the summer. He turned 40 in July and had always been very funny about getting older due to the fact his family all die relativity young (his uncle died at 51 last year from a heart attack and he was fit and healthy).
He had some health issues with GERD in August where he didn’t eat for over a week and then felt really overwhelmed and got upset about the standard the GP tests you have at 40 as he thought there might be something wrong with him. He’s always been very weak emotionally and doesn’t cope well with stress in life.
He was tired all the time and sleeping a lot during this time and just seemed to be on autopilot.

Mid August it was our 3rd wedding anniversary. He wrote the most lovely things in my card and cried on the day telling me how much he loved me.
The following week we went on holiday and it was a nightmare. Our youngest child is autistic and she did not cope well at all. On the first night we had an argument and he said he didn’t know if this was what he wanted anymore. The following day he apologised and said he was tired, had had a drink and was stressed. Told me he loved me and dropped it.

The next 2 weeks his behaviour changed dramatically. He broke down crying saying he felt so down and didn’t know why as he has a great wife, life etc but he was struggling. I suggested he went to the doctors but he refused as he didn’t want to go on medication again. I tried to support him as much as I could.
He became very snappy and irritable and at one point spoke to me so badly in front of our children telling me to ‘get back in my box’ which was so out of character for him.

The following week he walked out on the Saturday to get the car checked and did not come home for 3 days. All I got during this time was a few texts saying his head was a mess and I deserve the best and he can’t give that to me atm because he was overwhelmed in life.
He said he stayed with a friend from football for the few days in his spare room.

On the Tuesday he turned up back at home and didn’t even want to discuss it. This is typical for him as he has always avoided difficult conversations and gets very defensive when he is called out for being in the wrong.
When we finally did talk he said he knows it was selfish leaving but he needed some space to sort his head out.
During the conversation he got very upset about something the friend had said about why I forgave him 2 years ago for cheating. He asked how he knew I wasn’t only with him for the kids and that I wouldn’t kick him out when they are older. I obviously told him this was not the case at all.
For the next few days I was still angry and upset with him and things felt tense.
On the Thursday night we checked in for our holiday to Turkey online and he was discussing going to view venues for my mums birthday party. The next day he text me on his morning break as he always did asking how my morning was going.
4 hours later he came home, sat down and said he didn’t love me anymore, he’d been acting for ages and was a better actor than he thought.
I asked if there was someone else or if he had cheated again and he said there wasn’t someone else but he can’t say he would never cheat on me again because he didn’t love me. I was understandably distraught during this conversation whereas he was completely cold and detached with no emotion there at all.
He walked out like nothing happened chatting to our neighbour on the way like we had just discussed what to have for dinner.

He came to collect some stuff the following day and was smirking at me whilst I was upset saying ‘at least I’m not a hindrance to you anymore’
In the week and a half that followed he was very angry towards me and for the majority of the time flat out ignored me. He did not contact our children at all even though our oldest (my 14 year old who he has raised as his own) has a mobile phone.

2 weeks after leaving his messages changed from anger to more guilt like such as ‘you all deserve so much better than me’, ‘I’m an idiot’. He then told me he had rented a room from a woman at work he saw on a notice board and they had ‘gotten close’.
Now I wasn’t born yesterday, I have asked him so many times if something was going on before and he is adamant it wasn’t and he only messaged her via work chat about the room. She apparently is also going through a break up and has no family to rely on the same as him so they have supported each other and apparently become ‘fond of each other’.

We are now nearly 3 months down the line. He is still living with this woman. When I asked outright 2 weeks ago if he was in a relationship with her all I got was ‘Yes and I’m happy’. No consideration at all for my feelings or how much that would hurt me.

He did not bother with his children at all or even ask after them for 2 months. I told him both were struggling and I had had their schools on the phone but he still did not ask about them or to see them.
He did not turn up to take our youngest to football as promised. He did not even send our daughter a birthday card. This is the man who was always the best dad I could ever have asked for for our children so it’s been very difficult to deal with.

All I have had from him for months is him either ignoring me or acting like he has done me a favour.
He has had no empathy or compassion at all for how this has affected me and the children and is only concerned with himself.
He even made a comment that the children should be happy because their dad is happy. Completely oblivious to the bomb he has thrown into their lives.

He has also occasionally thrown in the odd message about ruining his life, paying the price for that, losing everything etc but then the next day would be telling me he is so happy now.
He would also occasionally out the blue send me messages like nothing had happened such as ‘how is the house after the storm’ ‘did you have a good weekend’ which is just very confusing.

At one point he messaged me telling me how happy he is where he is living because it’s quiet and stress free. I’m assuming he’s referring to our children which again is just madness because who has that attitude about their own children. It’s so out of character for him.

A few weeks ago he decided to remember he had children and asked to see them. They have both said right now they don’t want to see him because they are angry and upset.

I was then subjected to a barrage of abuse that it’s my fault and im bitter and twisted and I will ruin the kids. He seems incapable of accepting any responsibility in this and is instead blaming me and even my mother for apparently turning his kids against him.
And rather than try to do anything to make that better and rebuild his relationship with them he has now just accepted it as what it is and blocked me and all of my family on every method of communication possible like the kids don’t exist to him anymore.

Im am struggling to understand what has happened here. I know the logical response is he had an affair and left for this woman but I’m struggling to believe that.
Other than football twice a week he never really went anywhere, our money was joint, he wasn’t on his phone all the time or any of the other typical signs you look for.

Other than 2 years ago when he lost his bloody marbles he has always been the most loving, caring, supportive and attentive husband and dad.
My whole family are completely mortified because they always thought he was disgustingly in love with me. We even went on a big family holiday early July and they said he was like a love sick puppy as always.

This change from such a loving man to this cold, detached, selfish and nasty one has happened so quickly and I’m struggling to understand how it could happen.
How can the most loving father just cut his children off like they don’t exist?
How can the most loving husband just drop his 11 year relationship and act like it meant nothing to him.
This man has gone from making me feel like the important person in the world to him to making me feel like he doesn’t care if I am dead or alive with the flick of a switch.

I am absolutely broken, I’ve lost 2 stone during this time, im a complete mess and it feels like it will never get better. I never thought this would happen and I’ve never been made to feel so insignificant in my entire life.

Looking for some insight here

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khaitai · 15/12/2024 16:48

Oh OP this is awful I'm sorry. I wanted to reply because I've also been in a relationship with someone who sounds similar to this and it took me a long time to get my head around it. It was a total mindfuck.

I don't think he's necessarily a narcissist or depressed. A narcissist is someone who has an extremely high sense of self importance and self worth whereas it sounds like your ex is desperately insecure. I think the reality is that he's an extremely selfish person who puts his wants and needs before everyone else's.

The loving father and loving husband stuff is commonly known as love bombing. My ex used to do it too. One minute I was the most incredible person he'd ever met and he couldn't understand why I even gave him the time of day, the next minute he was making subtle little digs to try and undermine me or messaging other women. The love bombing is used as a way to manipulate you (and others around you) to keep everyone under their spell.

In hindsight I really don't know what was true about his feelings towards me and what was emotional manipulation. I've come to the conclusion that he was a deeply insecure, mixed up person with a nasty and controlling streak.

I know it seems absolutely awful right now but you really are better off away from this man. As much as you've said he's been a loving husband for 11 years he really hasn't. He cheated on you multiple times, he's said awful things to you. You deserve much better than this.

PinkLady1979 · 15/12/2024 16:52

He had an affair and then left. I am truly sorry but that is what I take from that. You deserve so much better

YellowRoom · 15/12/2024 16:59

You describe this as if you had a great relationship which mysteriously went wrong. But you also say he love-bombed you, then if you ever challenged him, threatened to leave. This is a terrible beginning to a relationship - and entirely typical of an abusive man. He trained you from the beginning to keep your mouth shut and do as you were told. He kept you by saying that he loved you. Then the cheating... Etc etc etc. He's a nasty, manipulative bastard who only cares about himself.

Bobbybobbins · 15/12/2024 17:01

Sorry OP, he sounds awful. The love bombing, manipulating you and now just moving on. You deserve much better! Stay strong!

Elektra1 · 15/12/2024 17:16

Jesus Christ. Your OP reads like a very long litany of finding ways to make excuses for this appalling behaviour - which I understand as I've been in your shoes (though on a less protracted basis).

This is not your guy. He has disrespected you and your relationship over a very long time. He doesn't like the consequences (I.e. people might/will think badly of him) so he wants to make it your fault. It's not your fault.

Please don't take any more of this nonsense. No one deserves to be treated like this. Cut him loose and let him live the life he apparently wants to live, unfettered by the bonds of a long term relationship with children involved. Get yourself a good lawyer and reduce contact with him to only what is required for arranging contact with the children. He's a prick. You and your children deserve so much better. Being alone is better.

Tell your family and friends everything that's happened and lean on them for support. You'll be ok.

Nickij2024 · 15/12/2024 17:19

khaitai · 15/12/2024 16:48

Oh OP this is awful I'm sorry. I wanted to reply because I've also been in a relationship with someone who sounds similar to this and it took me a long time to get my head around it. It was a total mindfuck.

I don't think he's necessarily a narcissist or depressed. A narcissist is someone who has an extremely high sense of self importance and self worth whereas it sounds like your ex is desperately insecure. I think the reality is that he's an extremely selfish person who puts his wants and needs before everyone else's.

The loving father and loving husband stuff is commonly known as love bombing. My ex used to do it too. One minute I was the most incredible person he'd ever met and he couldn't understand why I even gave him the time of day, the next minute he was making subtle little digs to try and undermine me or messaging other women. The love bombing is used as a way to manipulate you (and others around you) to keep everyone under their spell.

In hindsight I really don't know what was true about his feelings towards me and what was emotional manipulation. I've come to the conclusion that he was a deeply insecure, mixed up person with a nasty and controlling streak.

I know it seems absolutely awful right now but you really are better off away from this man. As much as you've said he's been a loving husband for 11 years he really hasn't. He cheated on you multiple times, he's said awful things to you. You deserve much better than this.

Thanks for your reply. It’s just such a head fuck isn’t it.
I genuinely wholeheartedly believed he loved me and we would spend our lives together and he has literally just been able to drop me like I meant nothing.

He keeps going on about 2 years ago saying he fucked it up etc although he’s been fine for the last 2 years and he never let on it bothered him. I was never even allowed to mention it really because it made him feel bad and he just wanted to ‘move on’ which obviously made it difficult to process it all.

I just feel like if he’s not depressed then I never knew the true him at all. I never thought he was capable of being so cold and detached not only towards me but his kids too. It just makes me question whether he ever loved me or them at all or whether it was all a front. Can someone fake it for 11 years? Who knows.

It just seems like now he’s got someone new to think he’s the best thing ever and he’s just boxed off the last 11 years of his life like it never happened all the while im here a crumpled mess. I don’t understand how someone can even behave like that and turn their feelings off. Even if he didn’t love me surely there would be some care for the person you spent such a long time with x

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Baxterbaxter · 15/12/2024 17:26

Big hugs @Nickij2024 - I am so sorry for you and your children. He sounds like he has a mental health issue and really needs help.

Nickij2024 · 15/12/2024 17:28

@Elektra1 i know im making excuses for him and I hate myself for that.
I think I just still see him as this amazing man he was 99% of the time, or at least the man he led me to believe he was so I keep trying to rationalise his behaviour. He convinced me he truly loved me more than anything so in my head I just find it hard to comprehend that there isn’t a reason such a depression etc for all of this. I need to just accept he is showing who he really is now and that can not be excused.

He definitely does not want to look like the bad guy. When I mentioned a divorce to him he said ‘if that’s what you want then it’s in black and white’. Like it’s my decision even though he upped and left and is in a relationship with someone else.

Ive never considered he was abusing or manipulating me until he left and with the way he has behaved since but as time is passing by im starting to realise more and more.

I was such a strong person before I met him and now im just a shell. I never felt I could stand up for myself out of fear of him leaving me because he made me feel he could drop me like nothing and it’s so confusing to believe someone loves you so much but at the same time feel like they can take or leave you x

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aloha0 · 15/12/2024 17:37

It doesn't matter whether he is a narcissist or depressed.

He's a bad person, to put it simply. That's all you really need to know.

He has 100% had an affair, and left you and your children for this woman. The sooner you accept that and stop lying to yourself and make excuses for him the better.

He's pulled the wool over your eyes and manipulated you for years. You say he's a great husband and father but you've described everything but that.

You will get through this but you need to start by slowly removing yourself from the spell he has cast over you, stop looking for reasons to excuse his behaviour and what he's done.

Get angry and get your ducks in a row. Protect yourself and your children.

Btw depression isn't an excuse for poor behaviour. I have quite severe depression and so do a fair few people I know and we don't act like d*cks and hurt the people that love us, especially our own children.

Elektra1 · 15/12/2024 17:37

@Nickij2024 I really feel for you. I've been where you are emotionally. It's very hard. I spent many months turning it all over in my head. What could I have done differently? When did she start to go cold on me? It was impossible because just days before she left for OW, we were still having sex, she was still telling me she would love me forever, etc. What I learned, through a lot of therapy and other help (and I wasn't a therapy person before) is that you don't get closure from the other person admitting their bad behaviour. You get it by accepting what happened, acknowledging it wasn't what you wanted, and focusing on your life without that person.

In my case I got to that place after about 15 months. And now my ex wants to spend a lot of time together with our kid (she's still with the OW), as though we're best friends who just happen to share a child. I find that hard, because I still feel sad about the life we could have had. I feel she wants the bits of me she wants, while she enjoys her new life. Co-parenting is a headfuck. But also I am out the other side, and it genuinely doesn't matter to me whether she ever acknowledges what she did. I know. Other people know. And she'll have to live with it, no matter how hard she tries to tell herself and everyone else that it was "a mutual decision" (it wasn't).

Do you have any support in real life? Friends, family? I would recommend looking into therapy if you can access it (I had it paid for on work health insurance). It's a journey and it's not linear, but anything is better than remaining stuck in broken patterns. Look after yourself. Your life has to be about you and the children now. Cut this idiot off. Release him to pursue whatever it is he thinks he wants. You'll be so much better off without him.

khaitai · 15/12/2024 17:39

I just feel like if he’s not depressed then I never knew the true him at all. I never thought he was capable of being so cold and detached not only towards me but his kids too. It just makes me question whether he ever loved me or them at all or whether it was all a front. Can someone fake it for 11 years?

It's impossible for me to say as someone who's just reading this but I came to the conclusion with my ex that, while he was capable of having very deep feelings for me, he wasn't capable of self-sacrifice which is what love really is. In any situation, while he might say lovely things, his actions showed that he would always put himself first.

At times he would be in tears begging me to take him back and I've often wondered if it was all an act. But then I think - if it was all an act then why would he bother? He could easily have found someone else to shag him if that was all it was (and he quickly did!).

Ultimately I think my ex (and perhaps your ex) is really mixed up in the head and could do with a lot of therapy to sort himself out. My ex had an awful, abusive father and an emotionally detached mother which may be at the root of it, who knows.

Elektra1 · 15/12/2024 17:41

The alchemy of the person you loved is very strong. Clarity comes from accepting that someone who could treat the mother of their children as he's treated you, is not the person you loved. Maybe he genuinely was once that man. He isn't now, and hasn't been for a long time. What you loved was an illusion, projected for his own benefit. You must focus on yourself now. Not what he wants. Which is nothing to do with you, and all about himself.

Diarygirlqueen · 15/12/2024 17:45

@aloha0 I agree with everything you wrote.
Please OP learn to love and respect yourself. This man deserves nothing from you.
Good luck

Elektra1 · 15/12/2024 17:48

And get ready, because when he finds out you want out, and he no longer controls what you do, he'll get worse. Buckle up for a tough few months. You need to get on top of what you can (legally) find out about your joint finances and start planning for your life as a single parent. It's hard, but it's time-limited and it will end. And you'll be stronger and at peace.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 15/12/2024 17:49

My opinion would be that he's been having serial affairs throughout your relationship. He's loved up with you because he's high on pulling the wool over your eyes and he's trying to put you off the scent, then he feels guilt and despair over what he's done, rinse and repeat. I could be wrong of course, but it's what it makes me think of. It's just that this time he's found a woman who's prepared to give him somewhere to live (I'd wonder whether the others were all married). His seeming ease of shagging other women when he was away at the hotel (to which he'd have to admit because others were there who observed his behaviour and could well have reported back to you) don't exactly speak of a man doing it for the first time.

I do feel for you though, OP. My XH was utterly, devotedly besotted with me - everyone saw it and commented on it. Until he wasn't.

khaitai · 15/12/2024 17:54

Just to reiterate a PP, I would really recommend getting some therapy so you can talk all of this through with a professional. Don't underestimate the impact this has all had on your psyche. It's really healing to be able to lay it all out and process what happened. To be honest I think this is partly why I end up commenting on threads like this as it also helps me to talk about it.

Frostycottagegarden · 15/12/2024 17:59

Honestly, get yourself some therapy. I spent ages trying to work out exactly what was wrong with me ex - narcissism, depression etc. Then I found a therapist who explained that, actually, it didn't really matter. It was my reaction that was important.

People like him live in a different reality. My therapist recommended a book called The Verbally Abusive Relationship, which was an eye opener for me.

In my case, eventually, I stopped analysing and worked on breaking the trauma bonds. I didn't need to constant drama.

UniqueOP · 15/12/2024 18:12

OP, your husband sounds a lot like my exh. Love bombing, I walk on water, I'm the most amazing creature to have ever graced the earth, to treating me absolutely horribly for no reason.

I don't trust adoration or being put on a pedestal now. Because this - the bad stuff - is the other side of that coin.

I'm single but if I was dating, I'd be looking for someone stable, someone who doesn't do these huge gestures and grand declarations of love. I think it's best to go for someone stable and for whom feelings and the relationship grow slowly.

FWIW, my ex did indeed suffer from serious depression, and it sounds as if yours does have some pretty severe mental-health problems. But treating someone badly is a choice. I have also had severe depression several times in my life and I have never treated anyone like this. Mine was also a covert narcissist, the worst kind - look it up. Narcissism stems from deep insecurity, and the covert type is the most unstable, and swings from everything being wonderful to you being the fount of everything that's wrong in their world. Yours does sound very similar.

In a way, the "why" doesn't matter. He's way too unstable to have a good relationship with anyone, it seems. He has completely and utterly fucked up this marriage. I don't know how anyone can put up with what he's put you through.

I'm on my own now, and the peace and calm is unbelievable.

I do not think that you can make a relationship with someone who creates these extreme swings. You say there were many times when he was wonderful. Mine was, too. Countless happy times, all ruined by the terrible times that he created for no reason. Because of the good times, I had many, many periods of heartache about my marriage.

But you have to judge your relationship by these bad times, not the good. The relationship is extremely unhealthy and abusive with these highs and lows that HE CREATES FOR NO REASON.

I would never have mine back because I'm getting older, and for the good of my health, I wouldn't be able to cope with all the stress he used to put me under. God knows what those years have done to my heart health.

You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, my dear. You just can't. Ask me how I know.

For God's sake get yourself and your children out of this horror show. It will never get better.

SprigatitoYouAndIKnow · 15/12/2024 18:33

All the energy you are using to try and figure this out is still all him having power over you. It really doesn't matter if he is a narcissist, depressed or just an arsehole. He is treating you terribly and has done for years. The relationship is over, so the best thing you can do is focus on recovering and moving on. Make sure you are protected financially as he will almost certainly try and screw you over there too.

LambriniBobInIsleworthISeesYa · 15/12/2024 20:22

This is terrible @Nickij2024. And yes, potentially he could be depressed, potentially he could be a narcissist.... but tbh that no longer matters because what he definitely is is a cunt and that's all you need to know. You need to stop trying to understand it and start accepting that he's an awful person who's treated you terribly and that you're much better off without this man.

Get some therapy for yourself and your kids, grey rock him, make sure that he's paying what he should be for his children and please, be kind to yourself. I was in a relationship like this with a very mercurial man for whom I was either an angel or the devil and our split was hideous. Thankfully we didn't have any kids, I can only begin to imagine how much worse it would have been with them.

Good luck and, it bears repeating, be kind to yourself.

aloha0 · 15/12/2024 20:37

OP at some point he probably WILL come back and tell you that this has all been because of some depressive episode and that he really does love you and it was all a mistake, not him etc.

Please, please, please, don't fall for this when he does it.

It will just be because things haven't worked out with the other woman.

He play into this due to last time using some sort of mental breakdown as an excuse for his behaviour and it sounds like you lapped it up and felt sorry for him.

ThisWormHasTurned · 15/12/2024 20:52

Ohhh I remember feeling like this. XH didn’t cheat (or so he says) but my replacement was brought in within a couple of weeks so I assume he had her lined up.
I get that you want to understand his behaviour to process it all. I know I did. Confirming to myself that he was emotionally abusive was really difficult. He had been depressed, withdrawn, moody. I had done everything I could think of to help him. I kept hoping the man I fell in love would come back. It was only many months after we separated I fully understood that the way he had treated me was abusive, that he’d love bombed me and verbally abused me for years. I realised the man I fell for never existed and therefore he would never come back. Then I found out he’d started seeing someone a couple of weeks after we split soo there was never any chance of reconciling and he lied to me for months about it. I do believe my XH is narcissist (covert). Things he would do or say included ‘I do so much for everyone’, ‘I forgive and let go of loads of things you do wrong’ (then go on to list them!), he though his job was more important than mine because he earned more money than me. I’d arrange to go out with friends and he’d be all for it, but then he’d pick a fight just before I was leaving or he’d keep texting or calling while I was out.

If your H love bombed you, then he falsely presented a version of himself to you and only let the mask slip every so often. It gets harder and harder to maintain until they just can’t be bothered any more. It’s impossible to say if he’s narcissistic based on what you’ve said, but it does sound like you were abused. It’s a hell of a thing to come to terms with and I agree you need to get some therapy to work through this so you can start to come to terms
with it.

Nickij2024 · 16/12/2024 10:08

Thanks for all of your responses.
I know I need to stop making excuses for him because there is no excuse for such bad behaviour.

I am having some therapy which is helping but it’s just so hard right now. I feel like things are never going to get better although I know in time they of course will.

It’s so horrible to have to question whether your relationship was even real. How many other lies there have been etc etc.

The fact is the way he has been able to drop me and our children like we do not exist and move on with a new life with such ease just shows exactly the kind of person he is.

OP posts:
Nickij2024 · 20/12/2024 10:10

Update - he is going on holiday with this new woman for Christmas!
I genuinely cannot comprehend the mentality of this man at all right now. It’s crazy!!

OP posts:
aloha0 · 20/12/2024 12:22

Nickij2024 · 20/12/2024 10:10

Update - he is going on holiday with this new woman for Christmas!
I genuinely cannot comprehend the mentality of this man at all right now. It’s crazy!!

I'm sorry to hear that. It is a huge amount for you to take in.

I know it's difficult but you really need to take back your power.

It's hard to comprehend that so much of your relationship could have been a lie. I've been there myself questioning everything.

He may have meant certain things he said or did at the time, not that it makes his behaviour any better now, but sometimes it helps a little to think it wasn't all untrue. He could have meant some things at the time, however NOW is what matters. There is no coming back from what he has done or how he has treated you.

Please be wary of him crawling back when things inevitably don't work out with the OW, or it becomes stale, or she falls pregnant and has a baby and he realises that the "excitement" is over. You have to be strong because it's very typical that this happens. He will probably cry depression or mental breakdown again.

Try and have a good Christmas with your children and be proud of yourself that you are the one there for them, every day, taking care of them and meeting their needs.

Your ex is pathetic, and people will see that. Hold your head high. You've got this.

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