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Is he a Narcissist or depressed

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Nickij2024 · 15/12/2024 16:23

This is quite a long one.
Myself and my husband have been together for 11 years - married for 3 of them.
The start of our relationship was very full on, I was a single mum of 24 and he was 29 and had left his previous relationship 3 months before.
Within 2 months he was crying about how much he loved me and within 3 months we were living together.
Roll round to our 1 year anniversary and he proposed, a week later I found out I was pregnant.
For 8 years our relationship was generally great. We got on so well, laughed all the time, loved each other so much and just enjoyed life together.
The only concerns up to that point was that he was always very up and down. Not daily but he would go from idolising me (and I mean worshipped the ground I walked on) for months to then threatening to leave if I ever called him out on anything or he deemed me being ‘negative’. This would always result in me running to him and apologising and within 5 minutes of me doing that it was like nothing had happened and he would be back to worshipping me.
I became very codependent on him which was unlike me because prior to him I was very confident and secure.
After 8 years together we got married and had such a wonderful wedding. He made everyone in the room cry, grown men included with his speech about how much he loved me.
7 months later he went on a work trip to America for 6 weeks. Whilst away he admitted he was struggling and hadn’t been sleeping on top of working for 35 days in a row.
On the last couple of days I didn’t hear from him for 24 hours. He then texted me on his way to the airport to come home saying we needed to speak. Turns out he had slept with 3 separate women whilst away but continued to call me like nothing happened in between this time. The final woman he actually met up with twice and on the last day even bought her to the hotel he was staying at in front of all of his work friends who knew he was married.

It’s safe to say I was completely heartbroken and blind sided. When he walked in the house he was a completely different person and said the most hurtful things to me such as ‘it was the best sex I ever had’ and ‘I had feelings for her’ - baring in mind he met the 3rd one only twice.
He moved out of our family home and rented a room in a shared house. During this time I was very concerned about him as he had said he was feeling suicidal etc. He had been to the doctors and signed off work with burnout following the trip and they wanted to see him back for depression once he had started sleeping but he refused to go. I tried to support him and in the end 6 weeks later he went back to the doctors and was placed on antidepressants.
We had counselling together and it was basically explained to me as a perfect storm. Lack of sleep, being away from home, being lonely, mental health problems etc which led him to seek comfort in something that made him feel better. He admitted as much as he said he felt ‘empty’ when away and these women made him feel how I did which he missed.
Long story short we decided to work on our marriage and work through it. I forgave him but obviously the trust was never the same.

Roll on 2 years later. We were happy, still laughed everyday, he was affectionate, left me love notes before work, came home with flowers etc and was the person he always was.
Things then changed in the summer. He turned 40 in July and had always been very funny about getting older due to the fact his family all die relativity young (his uncle died at 51 last year from a heart attack and he was fit and healthy).
He had some health issues with GERD in August where he didn’t eat for over a week and then felt really overwhelmed and got upset about the standard the GP tests you have at 40 as he thought there might be something wrong with him. He’s always been very weak emotionally and doesn’t cope well with stress in life.
He was tired all the time and sleeping a lot during this time and just seemed to be on autopilot.

Mid August it was our 3rd wedding anniversary. He wrote the most lovely things in my card and cried on the day telling me how much he loved me.
The following week we went on holiday and it was a nightmare. Our youngest child is autistic and she did not cope well at all. On the first night we had an argument and he said he didn’t know if this was what he wanted anymore. The following day he apologised and said he was tired, had had a drink and was stressed. Told me he loved me and dropped it.

The next 2 weeks his behaviour changed dramatically. He broke down crying saying he felt so down and didn’t know why as he has a great wife, life etc but he was struggling. I suggested he went to the doctors but he refused as he didn’t want to go on medication again. I tried to support him as much as I could.
He became very snappy and irritable and at one point spoke to me so badly in front of our children telling me to ‘get back in my box’ which was so out of character for him.

The following week he walked out on the Saturday to get the car checked and did not come home for 3 days. All I got during this time was a few texts saying his head was a mess and I deserve the best and he can’t give that to me atm because he was overwhelmed in life.
He said he stayed with a friend from football for the few days in his spare room.

On the Tuesday he turned up back at home and didn’t even want to discuss it. This is typical for him as he has always avoided difficult conversations and gets very defensive when he is called out for being in the wrong.
When we finally did talk he said he knows it was selfish leaving but he needed some space to sort his head out.
During the conversation he got very upset about something the friend had said about why I forgave him 2 years ago for cheating. He asked how he knew I wasn’t only with him for the kids and that I wouldn’t kick him out when they are older. I obviously told him this was not the case at all.
For the next few days I was still angry and upset with him and things felt tense.
On the Thursday night we checked in for our holiday to Turkey online and he was discussing going to view venues for my mums birthday party. The next day he text me on his morning break as he always did asking how my morning was going.
4 hours later he came home, sat down and said he didn’t love me anymore, he’d been acting for ages and was a better actor than he thought.
I asked if there was someone else or if he had cheated again and he said there wasn’t someone else but he can’t say he would never cheat on me again because he didn’t love me. I was understandably distraught during this conversation whereas he was completely cold and detached with no emotion there at all.
He walked out like nothing happened chatting to our neighbour on the way like we had just discussed what to have for dinner.

He came to collect some stuff the following day and was smirking at me whilst I was upset saying ‘at least I’m not a hindrance to you anymore’
In the week and a half that followed he was very angry towards me and for the majority of the time flat out ignored me. He did not contact our children at all even though our oldest (my 14 year old who he has raised as his own) has a mobile phone.

2 weeks after leaving his messages changed from anger to more guilt like such as ‘you all deserve so much better than me’, ‘I’m an idiot’. He then told me he had rented a room from a woman at work he saw on a notice board and they had ‘gotten close’.
Now I wasn’t born yesterday, I have asked him so many times if something was going on before and he is adamant it wasn’t and he only messaged her via work chat about the room. She apparently is also going through a break up and has no family to rely on the same as him so they have supported each other and apparently become ‘fond of each other’.

We are now nearly 3 months down the line. He is still living with this woman. When I asked outright 2 weeks ago if he was in a relationship with her all I got was ‘Yes and I’m happy’. No consideration at all for my feelings or how much that would hurt me.

He did not bother with his children at all or even ask after them for 2 months. I told him both were struggling and I had had their schools on the phone but he still did not ask about them or to see them.
He did not turn up to take our youngest to football as promised. He did not even send our daughter a birthday card. This is the man who was always the best dad I could ever have asked for for our children so it’s been very difficult to deal with.

All I have had from him for months is him either ignoring me or acting like he has done me a favour.
He has had no empathy or compassion at all for how this has affected me and the children and is only concerned with himself.
He even made a comment that the children should be happy because their dad is happy. Completely oblivious to the bomb he has thrown into their lives.

He has also occasionally thrown in the odd message about ruining his life, paying the price for that, losing everything etc but then the next day would be telling me he is so happy now.
He would also occasionally out the blue send me messages like nothing had happened such as ‘how is the house after the storm’ ‘did you have a good weekend’ which is just very confusing.

At one point he messaged me telling me how happy he is where he is living because it’s quiet and stress free. I’m assuming he’s referring to our children which again is just madness because who has that attitude about their own children. It’s so out of character for him.

A few weeks ago he decided to remember he had children and asked to see them. They have both said right now they don’t want to see him because they are angry and upset.

I was then subjected to a barrage of abuse that it’s my fault and im bitter and twisted and I will ruin the kids. He seems incapable of accepting any responsibility in this and is instead blaming me and even my mother for apparently turning his kids against him.
And rather than try to do anything to make that better and rebuild his relationship with them he has now just accepted it as what it is and blocked me and all of my family on every method of communication possible like the kids don’t exist to him anymore.

Im am struggling to understand what has happened here. I know the logical response is he had an affair and left for this woman but I’m struggling to believe that.
Other than football twice a week he never really went anywhere, our money was joint, he wasn’t on his phone all the time or any of the other typical signs you look for.

Other than 2 years ago when he lost his bloody marbles he has always been the most loving, caring, supportive and attentive husband and dad.
My whole family are completely mortified because they always thought he was disgustingly in love with me. We even went on a big family holiday early July and they said he was like a love sick puppy as always.

This change from such a loving man to this cold, detached, selfish and nasty one has happened so quickly and I’m struggling to understand how it could happen.
How can the most loving father just cut his children off like they don’t exist?
How can the most loving husband just drop his 11 year relationship and act like it meant nothing to him.
This man has gone from making me feel like the important person in the world to him to making me feel like he doesn’t care if I am dead or alive with the flick of a switch.

I am absolutely broken, I’ve lost 2 stone during this time, im a complete mess and it feels like it will never get better. I never thought this would happen and I’ve never been made to feel so insignificant in my entire life.

Looking for some insight here

OP posts:
Nickij2024 · 21/01/2025 12:14

@bombastix definitely and when I met him for at least a year he was like this broken, weak man who needed someone to save him because his life had been so hard and shit.
The change from then to now is wild. It’s like roles have completely reversed and it’s crazy how time can change you so much without even realising what is happening to you!

This new woman owns her own house and has a good job etc so I’m assuming he will break her down too. Either that or she will be wiser to it and kick him to the curb but he is very manipulative and persuading particularly with his lovebombing and because he comes across as this sweet, innocent person I can’t see her seeing through it. Like another poster said though, I should thank her in a way from taking him off my hands.

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Lolapusht · 21/01/2025 12:40

OP, drop the rope.

Block him.

Do not read his messages.

He is sucking your soul out of you.

He’s taken enough of you and he isn’t worth it.

Imagine using all the energy you’re wasting on him on finding the person you used to be.

Go get her back!

Nickij2024 · 07/02/2025 10:15

Thought I’d give an update on the new lows of this man I thought I loved for so many years.
The last he heard I was sat in a&e and our 9 year old daughter was traumatised as she had to call for help when I fainted. He then didn’t contact for 3 weeks to ask if the kids were ok or how I got on at the hospital or if I needed any help with the kids, absolutely nothing.
2 weeks ago I tried to log onto the website for my daughters season ticket as we couldn’t make the match and he has changed the password so I couldn’t put the tickets on ticket exchange. This puts her at risk of losing her season ticket so I emailed him and asked him why he had done that as I take her to the football and need to manage the account. He ignored me.
Two days later I got an email from him basically saying that I’m ’emotionally blackmailing’ him regarding the kids as he refuses to accept any responsibility for the fact that they don’t want to see him due to his behaviour towards them.
He said he has apparantly been ‘forcing his feelings for me for 2 years since he cheated on me and that made him depressed’. He said he ‘hoped for a miracle that didn’t come and won’t have a fake relationship with me’.
I don’t really understand where this came from as I hadn’t asked him to do anything of the sort.
He has since updated his WhatsApp profile photo of him and this woman (I’m blocked by my daughter can see it) and she is MUCH older than him. She’s very much the opposite of his type, she’s easily in her 50’s (I’m 36 and he’s 40) and she’s had a lot of work done which he’s always said he hated so that was quite interesting.
I found it odd he could go from begging me to let him sort it and promising the world and that he would do anything to sort it out to coming out to the world with this woman within a matter of weeks.

Anyway, I’m an idiot and I let the message about him forcing it for 2 years get to me. It’s made me question so much such as when he got me an eternity ring a year ago, all the times he told me he loved me etc and it’s just making me doubt my own reality.
It got to a point where I did something I shouldn’t have and messaged him about it saying I thought it was unfair he said that. I don’t want to go through my life feeling like I can’t trust what anyone says to me about how they feel as he’s made me doubt myself. I also don’t want to go through my life believing that 2 out of 3 years of my marriage were a farce as that’s a hard pill to swallow.
I don’t know why I expected anything different but he literally in response just resent me the the email he sent the week before about how he forced his feelings for 2 years.

I don’t know why I continue to be shocked by this man’s cold and detached behaviour and I’ve come to a point now where I’ve accepted it doesn’t matter whether it was forced or not. What matters is he has shown what a horrible person he is and that he clearly does not care about anyone but himself including his own children.
I will never be able to understand how people can go through life treating others so badly without a care. It’s madness!

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Bumblebeestiltskin · 07/02/2025 10:31

YellowRoom · 15/12/2024 16:59

You describe this as if you had a great relationship which mysteriously went wrong. But you also say he love-bombed you, then if you ever challenged him, threatened to leave. This is a terrible beginning to a relationship - and entirely typical of an abusive man. He trained you from the beginning to keep your mouth shut and do as you were told. He kept you by saying that he loved you. Then the cheating... Etc etc etc. He's a nasty, manipulative bastard who only cares about himself.

This. He didn't change from a great person/husband to an abusive one. He was abusive from the start.

I'm sorry you and your kids had to put up with that for so many years, but you're all much better off now (even if it takes you a bit longer to see it).

Nickij2024 · 07/02/2025 10:56

One thing I do know is that I never kept my mouth shut though.
For years I didn’t really have anything to moan about but then the last year or so when I did start calling him out or trying to talk about issues I had in the marriage I would get comments like ‘you’re dragging me down’, ‘you’re always having a go at me’ or ‘I had a good day today and now you’ve ruined it’ and I started to question whether I was being a nag as that’s how I was made to feel and that maybe I was expecting too much.
I think the last few months I’d got stronger and he sensed that and he knew I expected changes but he couldn’t deliver them or take accountability so he left.
One thing I do regret though is allowing myself to feel like I was the problem and for grovelling to him when I had ‘done something wrong’ and letting him sweep it all back under the carpet

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AMurderofMurderingCrows · 07/02/2025 12:52

What a weasel of a man. I know it's easy for me to say but you are so better off without him and his drama.

It's how the modern fairytale ends... 'and the Queen lived happily ever after with her kids and no man to drag her down'

I know it's not easy though 🫂

Sunat45degrees · 07/02/2025 13:02

Yes, he sounds like a narcissist. Disordered thinking means he believes all this shit about it all being your fault. The more you can distance yourself from him, the better. Sort the divorce as soon as possible.

TipsyJoker · 07/02/2025 13:14

Nickij2024 · 15/12/2024 16:23

This is quite a long one.
Myself and my husband have been together for 11 years - married for 3 of them.
The start of our relationship was very full on, I was a single mum of 24 and he was 29 and had left his previous relationship 3 months before.
Within 2 months he was crying about how much he loved me and within 3 months we were living together.
Roll round to our 1 year anniversary and he proposed, a week later I found out I was pregnant.
For 8 years our relationship was generally great. We got on so well, laughed all the time, loved each other so much and just enjoyed life together.
The only concerns up to that point was that he was always very up and down. Not daily but he would go from idolising me (and I mean worshipped the ground I walked on) for months to then threatening to leave if I ever called him out on anything or he deemed me being ‘negative’. This would always result in me running to him and apologising and within 5 minutes of me doing that it was like nothing had happened and he would be back to worshipping me.
I became very codependent on him which was unlike me because prior to him I was very confident and secure.
After 8 years together we got married and had such a wonderful wedding. He made everyone in the room cry, grown men included with his speech about how much he loved me.
7 months later he went on a work trip to America for 6 weeks. Whilst away he admitted he was struggling and hadn’t been sleeping on top of working for 35 days in a row.
On the last couple of days I didn’t hear from him for 24 hours. He then texted me on his way to the airport to come home saying we needed to speak. Turns out he had slept with 3 separate women whilst away but continued to call me like nothing happened in between this time. The final woman he actually met up with twice and on the last day even bought her to the hotel he was staying at in front of all of his work friends who knew he was married.

It’s safe to say I was completely heartbroken and blind sided. When he walked in the house he was a completely different person and said the most hurtful things to me such as ‘it was the best sex I ever had’ and ‘I had feelings for her’ - baring in mind he met the 3rd one only twice.
He moved out of our family home and rented a room in a shared house. During this time I was very concerned about him as he had said he was feeling suicidal etc. He had been to the doctors and signed off work with burnout following the trip and they wanted to see him back for depression once he had started sleeping but he refused to go. I tried to support him and in the end 6 weeks later he went back to the doctors and was placed on antidepressants.
We had counselling together and it was basically explained to me as a perfect storm. Lack of sleep, being away from home, being lonely, mental health problems etc which led him to seek comfort in something that made him feel better. He admitted as much as he said he felt ‘empty’ when away and these women made him feel how I did which he missed.
Long story short we decided to work on our marriage and work through it. I forgave him but obviously the trust was never the same.

Roll on 2 years later. We were happy, still laughed everyday, he was affectionate, left me love notes before work, came home with flowers etc and was the person he always was.
Things then changed in the summer. He turned 40 in July and had always been very funny about getting older due to the fact his family all die relativity young (his uncle died at 51 last year from a heart attack and he was fit and healthy).
He had some health issues with GERD in August where he didn’t eat for over a week and then felt really overwhelmed and got upset about the standard the GP tests you have at 40 as he thought there might be something wrong with him. He’s always been very weak emotionally and doesn’t cope well with stress in life.
He was tired all the time and sleeping a lot during this time and just seemed to be on autopilot.

Mid August it was our 3rd wedding anniversary. He wrote the most lovely things in my card and cried on the day telling me how much he loved me.
The following week we went on holiday and it was a nightmare. Our youngest child is autistic and she did not cope well at all. On the first night we had an argument and he said he didn’t know if this was what he wanted anymore. The following day he apologised and said he was tired, had had a drink and was stressed. Told me he loved me and dropped it.

The next 2 weeks his behaviour changed dramatically. He broke down crying saying he felt so down and didn’t know why as he has a great wife, life etc but he was struggling. I suggested he went to the doctors but he refused as he didn’t want to go on medication again. I tried to support him as much as I could.
He became very snappy and irritable and at one point spoke to me so badly in front of our children telling me to ‘get back in my box’ which was so out of character for him.

The following week he walked out on the Saturday to get the car checked and did not come home for 3 days. All I got during this time was a few texts saying his head was a mess and I deserve the best and he can’t give that to me atm because he was overwhelmed in life.
He said he stayed with a friend from football for the few days in his spare room.

On the Tuesday he turned up back at home and didn’t even want to discuss it. This is typical for him as he has always avoided difficult conversations and gets very defensive when he is called out for being in the wrong.
When we finally did talk he said he knows it was selfish leaving but he needed some space to sort his head out.
During the conversation he got very upset about something the friend had said about why I forgave him 2 years ago for cheating. He asked how he knew I wasn’t only with him for the kids and that I wouldn’t kick him out when they are older. I obviously told him this was not the case at all.
For the next few days I was still angry and upset with him and things felt tense.
On the Thursday night we checked in for our holiday to Turkey online and he was discussing going to view venues for my mums birthday party. The next day he text me on his morning break as he always did asking how my morning was going.
4 hours later he came home, sat down and said he didn’t love me anymore, he’d been acting for ages and was a better actor than he thought.
I asked if there was someone else or if he had cheated again and he said there wasn’t someone else but he can’t say he would never cheat on me again because he didn’t love me. I was understandably distraught during this conversation whereas he was completely cold and detached with no emotion there at all.
He walked out like nothing happened chatting to our neighbour on the way like we had just discussed what to have for dinner.

He came to collect some stuff the following day and was smirking at me whilst I was upset saying ‘at least I’m not a hindrance to you anymore’
In the week and a half that followed he was very angry towards me and for the majority of the time flat out ignored me. He did not contact our children at all even though our oldest (my 14 year old who he has raised as his own) has a mobile phone.

2 weeks after leaving his messages changed from anger to more guilt like such as ‘you all deserve so much better than me’, ‘I’m an idiot’. He then told me he had rented a room from a woman at work he saw on a notice board and they had ‘gotten close’.
Now I wasn’t born yesterday, I have asked him so many times if something was going on before and he is adamant it wasn’t and he only messaged her via work chat about the room. She apparently is also going through a break up and has no family to rely on the same as him so they have supported each other and apparently become ‘fond of each other’.

We are now nearly 3 months down the line. He is still living with this woman. When I asked outright 2 weeks ago if he was in a relationship with her all I got was ‘Yes and I’m happy’. No consideration at all for my feelings or how much that would hurt me.

He did not bother with his children at all or even ask after them for 2 months. I told him both were struggling and I had had their schools on the phone but he still did not ask about them or to see them.
He did not turn up to take our youngest to football as promised. He did not even send our daughter a birthday card. This is the man who was always the best dad I could ever have asked for for our children so it’s been very difficult to deal with.

All I have had from him for months is him either ignoring me or acting like he has done me a favour.
He has had no empathy or compassion at all for how this has affected me and the children and is only concerned with himself.
He even made a comment that the children should be happy because their dad is happy. Completely oblivious to the bomb he has thrown into their lives.

He has also occasionally thrown in the odd message about ruining his life, paying the price for that, losing everything etc but then the next day would be telling me he is so happy now.
He would also occasionally out the blue send me messages like nothing had happened such as ‘how is the house after the storm’ ‘did you have a good weekend’ which is just very confusing.

At one point he messaged me telling me how happy he is where he is living because it’s quiet and stress free. I’m assuming he’s referring to our children which again is just madness because who has that attitude about their own children. It’s so out of character for him.

A few weeks ago he decided to remember he had children and asked to see them. They have both said right now they don’t want to see him because they are angry and upset.

I was then subjected to a barrage of abuse that it’s my fault and im bitter and twisted and I will ruin the kids. He seems incapable of accepting any responsibility in this and is instead blaming me and even my mother for apparently turning his kids against him.
And rather than try to do anything to make that better and rebuild his relationship with them he has now just accepted it as what it is and blocked me and all of my family on every method of communication possible like the kids don’t exist to him anymore.

Im am struggling to understand what has happened here. I know the logical response is he had an affair and left for this woman but I’m struggling to believe that.
Other than football twice a week he never really went anywhere, our money was joint, he wasn’t on his phone all the time or any of the other typical signs you look for.

Other than 2 years ago when he lost his bloody marbles he has always been the most loving, caring, supportive and attentive husband and dad.
My whole family are completely mortified because they always thought he was disgustingly in love with me. We even went on a big family holiday early July and they said he was like a love sick puppy as always.

This change from such a loving man to this cold, detached, selfish and nasty one has happened so quickly and I’m struggling to understand how it could happen.
How can the most loving father just cut his children off like they don’t exist?
How can the most loving husband just drop his 11 year relationship and act like it meant nothing to him.
This man has gone from making me feel like the important person in the world to him to making me feel like he doesn’t care if I am dead or alive with the flick of a switch.

I am absolutely broken, I’ve lost 2 stone during this time, im a complete mess and it feels like it will never get better. I never thought this would happen and I’ve never been made to feel so insignificant in my entire life.

Looking for some insight here

Read this. It might answer a lot of questions for you.

https://ia600600.us.archive.org/31/items/hybridphilosophy-collection/The-Covert-Passive-Aggressive-Narcissist-by-Debbie-Mirza.pdf

This is on him. There’s nothing you could have done or not do that would’ve changed this outcome. He’s abusive. He has done all of this to feed his own narcissistic needs. He has done you a favour. He will do the same to any woman he is with, including the one he’s living with now. Feel bad for her because she in for a torrid time too.

Read the book, see a lawyer about splitting the marital assets and get the CMS into him for maintenance. Even if he doesn’t want to be involved with the kids, he still has a financial obligation to support them.

You could also read this book, it’s enlightening.

https://www.docdroid.net/2fZmz40/why-does-he-do-that-pdf

And when you’re ready, do the freedom programme do you learn to spot red flags in the future. I would also learn the grey rock method and employ it with him. Also get a parenting app and only communicate with him via that about the children.

https://www.freedomprogramme.co.uk

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-time-cure/202211/when-dealing-narcissist-the-gray-rock-approach-might-help

https://ia600600.us.archive.org/31/items/hybridphilosophy-collection/The-Covert-Passive-Aggressive-Narcissist-by-Debbie-Mirza.pdf

emailthis · 07/02/2025 13:16

Sounds like he could have bipolar? Personality disorder?
But you could have those things and not behave like he did.

I would diagnose him as an absolute fucking c*nt.

If you got bitten by a snake, you don't tie yourself up in knots trying to understand why the snake bit you.

He's a cnt that's why he behaves like a c*nt.

Nickij2024 · 07/02/2025 15:27

emailthis · 07/02/2025 13:16

Sounds like he could have bipolar? Personality disorder?
But you could have those things and not behave like he did.

I would diagnose him as an absolute fucking c*nt.

If you got bitten by a snake, you don't tie yourself up in knots trying to understand why the snake bit you.

He's a cnt that's why he behaves like a c*nt.

This made me laugh haha! You’re not wrong at all!

OP posts:
Nickij2024 · 07/02/2025 16:03

@TipsyJoker thankyou so much for your response and adding them links. I really appreciate you taking the time to do that x

OP posts:
TipsyJoker · 07/02/2025 16:31

Nickij2024 · 07/02/2025 16:03

@TipsyJoker thankyou so much for your response and adding them links. I really appreciate you taking the time to do that x

You’re welcome. I hope they are helpful for you. You can also find videos by Debbie Mirza on YouTube once you’ve read the books.

aloha0 · 07/02/2025 18:18

Hi OP. I commented on here before and I'm sorry to see your update.

He probably is a narcissist or some sort of personality disorder, but it doesn't really matter because the most important thing is you know he's a c*nt as below poster has kindly said Grin

I personally think my ex is a narcissist. One thing you must learn is that no matter what you do, what you say, to people like that IT WILL ALWAYS BE YOUR FAULT. That's how they operate, zero accountability.

My ex really winds me up because he constantly rants on about how I did this and I did that and everything in the world is my fault. However I know this isn't true. But I'll never get him to see it that way. I did nothing but be a good supportive partner to him, walked around on eggshells, and when the relationship ended I've never bothered him, I've just had my head down raising our child single handedly, working a full time job and doing everything else. But his life problem are STILL ALL MY FAULT.

There will be a point where you will feel better about it and the crap he does will be like water off a ducks back. You won't get an apology or acknowledge from him, or if you do it will have an agenda and not be genuine.

You've honestly handled this so well and I don't know you but feel proud of you, I also hope you are feeling better.

Bibi12 · 08/02/2025 09:30

OP I'm sorry I haven't read till the very end but I don't think it was necessary. There were red flags form day one. Love bombing, rushing commitment, big decisions like moving together and having a baby way too early in a relationship, especially when you already had a child to think of. He was always up and down. Big words not backed by actions.

The day he told you he cheated with you with several women and it was best sex ever was the day you should have left him. It's just not normal at all and not something anyone should forgive as it only sends a message you're pushover and boundaries can be moved even further.

You didn't deserve it OP. You sound like a lovely woman but unfortunately your husband is not a relationship material. It's him. One day you realise that you're better off without him in your life. You deserve so much better.

Bibi12 · 08/02/2025 09:31

Oh and ofcourse he is depressed! Being so self centred and always focused only on your own needs and feelings is not exactly great for mental health.

Nickij2024 · 08/02/2025 11:30

@aloha0 thank you so much for your message. It was really lovely and meant a lot.

@Bibi12 I think now I see the red flags but I was so young back then and just thought he absolutely idolised me and it was meant to be. Stupid I know.

Looking back now I realise that those first 12 months literally cemented my view of him. I always saw him as this loving, caring and supportive man who was obsessed with me because that’s how he presented for that year. Ever since then, whenever he has done anything that didn’t marry up to that view, I made excuses for it such as when he cheated I believed he must have been depressed because it didn’t make sense with who I believed he was and felt about me.

I didn’t realise how much of an impact love bombing can have in the long term and I suppose that’s why it’s toxic.

When I had therapy yesterday we talked about the cheating and my therapist said something similar to what someone else previously posted. You don’t just sleep with 3 random women out of nowhere only 7 months after getting married. He clearly has always been capable of cheating given the opportunity and it is unlikely that was the first or last time. Thinking back now I remember on the morning he came home from the trip he messaged me as normal saying he couldn’t wait to see us and was leaving for the airport. It was only when I told him I had messaged his work friend that he told me what he had done. Just makes me think if I had never messaged his work friend he probably would never have told me so how many other times has that potentially happened.

Either way this man has dropped me and my children like we don’t exist. He hasn’t cared at all about the impact his actions have had on us and has just swanned off without a care in the world with this new woman like our life, family and marriage together was nothing.
He hasn’t cared how much I’ve been struggling, he didn’t care I was at hospital, he doesn’t care about this emotional effect this has had and is still having on our children.
It takes a cold, cruel and nasty person to behave that way and that shows who he really is x

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pikkumyy77 · 08/02/2025 11:44

This is a very good outcome of starting therapy. I am a therapist myself and often people coming out of these abusive, confusing, relationships with family or partners really just need to have their experiences seen, validated, and understood by the therapist. As you tell your story snd get support you will be more able to support yourself.

Nickij2024 · 08/02/2025 17:04

I think what I’m struggling with the most is the complete coldness and lack of care from him.

This is the person I’ve spent 11 years with, built a family and home with, had children with, married and he’s just cut me off like all of that and we don’t exist.
He didn’t care I was at the hospital. I’ve been so low I’ve felt like I can’t go on anymore at times and I’ve told him that and he’s just flat out ignored me.
I just can’t wrap my head around how someone can just not care at all even as the mother of his children. To be able to just fully detach and move on seemingly without a care whilst I’m here struggling to hold my life together seems so unfair.

Sorry to post again but my family are bored of hearing about it and I find your replies really helpful x

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FreeRider · 08/02/2025 17:37

The answer to your question "Why does he no longer care" is probably one you won't like, but makes perfect sense if he is a narcissist.

That answer is - he never actually did. If you look back, all his words, actions etc have always been about one thing - him. His needs, wants etc have always been the number one priority with him. Hence the threatening to leave when you were first together, the cheating with 3 women in a 6 week period when you were apart...'because he was missing you'. A non-narc would have thought 'Yes, I'm missing my wife but I value her, her feelings and my marriage so I'm not going to cheat'. But to him, the way HE was feeling at that moment in time was more important than anything else...it was all he cared about.

Same now. He doesn't want to see you and the children because he doesn't care about you or the children. You are in the past, if he sees any of you he'll be reminded that maybe he isn't as great as he believes himself to be. A narc can do no wrong, remember?

He doesn't love the new woman, either, he's quite obviously using her. She's fresh supply to him as well, because he's still in the 'love bombing' stage with her. I'd get the divorce rolling as quickly as possible, make a clean break with it all. Take a tiny leaf, a paragraph out of his book and put you (and your children) first.

pikkumyy77 · 08/02/2025 18:13

Thats the sign of a narcissist. These stages are called “the devaluation” stage and then “the discard ”—after this they don’t recognize you and you can’t recognize them because they have strip mined the relationship and abandoned it. What for you was sincere was, for them, situational and shallow. I highly reccomend searching out websites to help cope with infidelity and narcissistic abuse. Ordinary people won’t get it. Chump lady dot com is a good place to meet people going through this pain.

pikkumyy77 · 08/02/2025 18:14

Haha cross posted with @FreeRider . I agree with her post.

TipsyJoker · 08/02/2025 20:16

Please read the book I attached in an earlier comment. It will answer a lot of questions for you.

TipsyJoker · 08/02/2025 20:18

Here is the book again in case you can’t find the earlier comment

https://ia600600.us.archive.org/31/items/hybridphilosophy-collection/The-Covert-Passive-Aggressive-Narcissist-by-Debbie-Mirza.pdf

Check out Debbie Mirza on YouTube to learn more about narcissistic abuse and how to recover from it.

https://ia600600.us.archive.org/31/items/hybridphilosophy-collection/The-Covert-Passive-Aggressive-Narcissist-by-Debbie-Mirza.pdf

Nickij2024 · 08/02/2025 20:48

@TipsyJoker Thanks for you reply. I have read it and it was so interesting.
I think for some stupid reason I don’t want to accept or believe that he may be a narcissist as that would me accepting it wasn’t real for him at all and he never really loved me does that make sense?
I keep trying to rationalise that there must be another reason for this and maybe I’m putting two and two together and making five to try to make sense of it all x

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TipsyJoker · 08/02/2025 21:10

Nickij2024 · 08/02/2025 20:48

@TipsyJoker Thanks for you reply. I have read it and it was so interesting.
I think for some stupid reason I don’t want to accept or believe that he may be a narcissist as that would me accepting it wasn’t real for him at all and he never really loved me does that make sense?
I keep trying to rationalise that there must be another reason for this and maybe I’m putting two and two together and making five to try to make sense of it all x

Yes it does make sense and I totally understand how difficult that would be for you. However, the sooner you accept the reality of who he actually is, the sooner you can start to heal. The past is just that, past. You have to start looking forward for yourself and your children. Even if he was to come back, (which he still might if this new supply doesn’t work out for him) he will still be the same narcissist underneath anything he says or does. Unfortunately, when it comes to narcissistic personalities, other people are simply peripheral to them. They’re just pawns in their story, in which they are the star. It’s very difficult to accept. However, try to take some comfort in the fact that he is the problem here. He will treat everyone in his life the same. He’s incapable of real, true connection and love. It’s all a show to make him look good. None of it’s real. And the reality is, he’s vacuous inside. Just a hole that he needs to fill with the adoration of others. The only value people have for him is what he can get from them. He doesn’t care about anyone or anything else, not even his own flesh and blood. In some ways it’s very sad for the narcissist that they are so damaged that they will probably never experience real love for another person. However, that empathy goes by the wayside when we witness the absolute devastation they cause to those around them. You will need therapy to come to terms with this and recover. Narcissistic abuse is one of the worst to understand, accept and recover from but it can be done with the right support and you’ll be all the stronger for it. Watch more Debbie Mirza on YouTube. There’s lots on understanding and recovering from narc abuse.

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