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Is he a Narcissist or depressed

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Nickij2024 · 15/12/2024 16:23

This is quite a long one.
Myself and my husband have been together for 11 years - married for 3 of them.
The start of our relationship was very full on, I was a single mum of 24 and he was 29 and had left his previous relationship 3 months before.
Within 2 months he was crying about how much he loved me and within 3 months we were living together.
Roll round to our 1 year anniversary and he proposed, a week later I found out I was pregnant.
For 8 years our relationship was generally great. We got on so well, laughed all the time, loved each other so much and just enjoyed life together.
The only concerns up to that point was that he was always very up and down. Not daily but he would go from idolising me (and I mean worshipped the ground I walked on) for months to then threatening to leave if I ever called him out on anything or he deemed me being ‘negative’. This would always result in me running to him and apologising and within 5 minutes of me doing that it was like nothing had happened and he would be back to worshipping me.
I became very codependent on him which was unlike me because prior to him I was very confident and secure.
After 8 years together we got married and had such a wonderful wedding. He made everyone in the room cry, grown men included with his speech about how much he loved me.
7 months later he went on a work trip to America for 6 weeks. Whilst away he admitted he was struggling and hadn’t been sleeping on top of working for 35 days in a row.
On the last couple of days I didn’t hear from him for 24 hours. He then texted me on his way to the airport to come home saying we needed to speak. Turns out he had slept with 3 separate women whilst away but continued to call me like nothing happened in between this time. The final woman he actually met up with twice and on the last day even bought her to the hotel he was staying at in front of all of his work friends who knew he was married.

It’s safe to say I was completely heartbroken and blind sided. When he walked in the house he was a completely different person and said the most hurtful things to me such as ‘it was the best sex I ever had’ and ‘I had feelings for her’ - baring in mind he met the 3rd one only twice.
He moved out of our family home and rented a room in a shared house. During this time I was very concerned about him as he had said he was feeling suicidal etc. He had been to the doctors and signed off work with burnout following the trip and they wanted to see him back for depression once he had started sleeping but he refused to go. I tried to support him and in the end 6 weeks later he went back to the doctors and was placed on antidepressants.
We had counselling together and it was basically explained to me as a perfect storm. Lack of sleep, being away from home, being lonely, mental health problems etc which led him to seek comfort in something that made him feel better. He admitted as much as he said he felt ‘empty’ when away and these women made him feel how I did which he missed.
Long story short we decided to work on our marriage and work through it. I forgave him but obviously the trust was never the same.

Roll on 2 years later. We were happy, still laughed everyday, he was affectionate, left me love notes before work, came home with flowers etc and was the person he always was.
Things then changed in the summer. He turned 40 in July and had always been very funny about getting older due to the fact his family all die relativity young (his uncle died at 51 last year from a heart attack and he was fit and healthy).
He had some health issues with GERD in August where he didn’t eat for over a week and then felt really overwhelmed and got upset about the standard the GP tests you have at 40 as he thought there might be something wrong with him. He’s always been very weak emotionally and doesn’t cope well with stress in life.
He was tired all the time and sleeping a lot during this time and just seemed to be on autopilot.

Mid August it was our 3rd wedding anniversary. He wrote the most lovely things in my card and cried on the day telling me how much he loved me.
The following week we went on holiday and it was a nightmare. Our youngest child is autistic and she did not cope well at all. On the first night we had an argument and he said he didn’t know if this was what he wanted anymore. The following day he apologised and said he was tired, had had a drink and was stressed. Told me he loved me and dropped it.

The next 2 weeks his behaviour changed dramatically. He broke down crying saying he felt so down and didn’t know why as he has a great wife, life etc but he was struggling. I suggested he went to the doctors but he refused as he didn’t want to go on medication again. I tried to support him as much as I could.
He became very snappy and irritable and at one point spoke to me so badly in front of our children telling me to ‘get back in my box’ which was so out of character for him.

The following week he walked out on the Saturday to get the car checked and did not come home for 3 days. All I got during this time was a few texts saying his head was a mess and I deserve the best and he can’t give that to me atm because he was overwhelmed in life.
He said he stayed with a friend from football for the few days in his spare room.

On the Tuesday he turned up back at home and didn’t even want to discuss it. This is typical for him as he has always avoided difficult conversations and gets very defensive when he is called out for being in the wrong.
When we finally did talk he said he knows it was selfish leaving but he needed some space to sort his head out.
During the conversation he got very upset about something the friend had said about why I forgave him 2 years ago for cheating. He asked how he knew I wasn’t only with him for the kids and that I wouldn’t kick him out when they are older. I obviously told him this was not the case at all.
For the next few days I was still angry and upset with him and things felt tense.
On the Thursday night we checked in for our holiday to Turkey online and he was discussing going to view venues for my mums birthday party. The next day he text me on his morning break as he always did asking how my morning was going.
4 hours later he came home, sat down and said he didn’t love me anymore, he’d been acting for ages and was a better actor than he thought.
I asked if there was someone else or if he had cheated again and he said there wasn’t someone else but he can’t say he would never cheat on me again because he didn’t love me. I was understandably distraught during this conversation whereas he was completely cold and detached with no emotion there at all.
He walked out like nothing happened chatting to our neighbour on the way like we had just discussed what to have for dinner.

He came to collect some stuff the following day and was smirking at me whilst I was upset saying ‘at least I’m not a hindrance to you anymore’
In the week and a half that followed he was very angry towards me and for the majority of the time flat out ignored me. He did not contact our children at all even though our oldest (my 14 year old who he has raised as his own) has a mobile phone.

2 weeks after leaving his messages changed from anger to more guilt like such as ‘you all deserve so much better than me’, ‘I’m an idiot’. He then told me he had rented a room from a woman at work he saw on a notice board and they had ‘gotten close’.
Now I wasn’t born yesterday, I have asked him so many times if something was going on before and he is adamant it wasn’t and he only messaged her via work chat about the room. She apparently is also going through a break up and has no family to rely on the same as him so they have supported each other and apparently become ‘fond of each other’.

We are now nearly 3 months down the line. He is still living with this woman. When I asked outright 2 weeks ago if he was in a relationship with her all I got was ‘Yes and I’m happy’. No consideration at all for my feelings or how much that would hurt me.

He did not bother with his children at all or even ask after them for 2 months. I told him both were struggling and I had had their schools on the phone but he still did not ask about them or to see them.
He did not turn up to take our youngest to football as promised. He did not even send our daughter a birthday card. This is the man who was always the best dad I could ever have asked for for our children so it’s been very difficult to deal with.

All I have had from him for months is him either ignoring me or acting like he has done me a favour.
He has had no empathy or compassion at all for how this has affected me and the children and is only concerned with himself.
He even made a comment that the children should be happy because their dad is happy. Completely oblivious to the bomb he has thrown into their lives.

He has also occasionally thrown in the odd message about ruining his life, paying the price for that, losing everything etc but then the next day would be telling me he is so happy now.
He would also occasionally out the blue send me messages like nothing had happened such as ‘how is the house after the storm’ ‘did you have a good weekend’ which is just very confusing.

At one point he messaged me telling me how happy he is where he is living because it’s quiet and stress free. I’m assuming he’s referring to our children which again is just madness because who has that attitude about their own children. It’s so out of character for him.

A few weeks ago he decided to remember he had children and asked to see them. They have both said right now they don’t want to see him because they are angry and upset.

I was then subjected to a barrage of abuse that it’s my fault and im bitter and twisted and I will ruin the kids. He seems incapable of accepting any responsibility in this and is instead blaming me and even my mother for apparently turning his kids against him.
And rather than try to do anything to make that better and rebuild his relationship with them he has now just accepted it as what it is and blocked me and all of my family on every method of communication possible like the kids don’t exist to him anymore.

Im am struggling to understand what has happened here. I know the logical response is he had an affair and left for this woman but I’m struggling to believe that.
Other than football twice a week he never really went anywhere, our money was joint, he wasn’t on his phone all the time or any of the other typical signs you look for.

Other than 2 years ago when he lost his bloody marbles he has always been the most loving, caring, supportive and attentive husband and dad.
My whole family are completely mortified because they always thought he was disgustingly in love with me. We even went on a big family holiday early July and they said he was like a love sick puppy as always.

This change from such a loving man to this cold, detached, selfish and nasty one has happened so quickly and I’m struggling to understand how it could happen.
How can the most loving father just cut his children off like they don’t exist?
How can the most loving husband just drop his 11 year relationship and act like it meant nothing to him.
This man has gone from making me feel like the important person in the world to him to making me feel like he doesn’t care if I am dead or alive with the flick of a switch.

I am absolutely broken, I’ve lost 2 stone during this time, im a complete mess and it feels like it will never get better. I never thought this would happen and I’ve never been made to feel so insignificant in my entire life.

Looking for some insight here

OP posts:
Nickij2024 · 20/12/2024 13:18

@aloha0 - I am trying my best to just move on now. He has no care or compassion for me or his children so it’s about time I stopped wasting more of my life on him. He’s already taken so much from me and I won’t give him the satisfaction of taking anymore.

The kids are not interested in Christmas at all this year because it’s so different but I’m going to make sure I make it as amazing for them as possible.

I genuinely don’t believe he would ever try to return. He’s too weak for that. Either way I have a long list on my phone of reasons I would never have him back that I can refer to if ever that time did come but I really don’t see it happening.
Luckily for the world he has had the snip so there is no chance of him having further children he can treat so badly x

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dontbeabsurd · 20/12/2024 13:46

OP - firstly I’m so sorry you are going through all this. My ex had similar traits - I was idealised, love bombed and he felt so lucky to have found me. He was smart, charismatic, successful, but also manipulative, selfish and emotionally unstable under the cloak of ‘I’m a giver, rescuer and empath’. To be honest I always sensed that something was off but the highs felt amazing. His ex was painted as a crazy, awful narcissist and tbh she acted like one - now I know she was acting out of hurt that I wasn’t aware of.
Once I was discarded (he got depressed and told me ‘I deserved better’) he miraculously recovered within 2 weeks and started dating straight after!
Im telling you my story to highlight the fact that men like them don’t change. They have dysfunctional patterns that they repeat over & over again. Whether they are aware of the destruction they leave behind or not - it doesn’t matter. What matters is: one day you’ll count your lucky stars that you are no longer with him. Focus your energy on yourself, not on him. You’ll find love and peace. He won’t.

pikkumyy77 · 20/12/2024 14:10

If you haven’t already done so take a look at chumpladydot com. Jjust google chump lady and read her book “Leave a cheater get a life.” I think you will find it helps you start to put this enormous violation of trust in perspective.

Because that is what is important. When you were in a relationship with thus man you thought, believed, and scted like a person in a stable, important, supportive, love relationship. You had to rely on his words, and the more his actions deviated from his words and his historical presentation The harder you had to work to keep it making sense. That is what attributions like “depression” are for. They magically transform bad acts into accidents caused by an illness.

Narcissism is a personality disorder. It can be comorbid with lots of other things: depression, ADHD, bipolar, etc… its not an either/or. I agree with the poster upthread that, to the extent narcissism has types, he sounds like a covert and/or a community narcissist. This might be a useful way of looking at it because these types can revel in (get their narcissistic supply) in appearing to fulfill community supported roles like devoted father/husband but if they lose interest in a specific community (work, family, wife) they simply discard that community and start up again with a new source of narcissistic supply.

Its a head fuck for you snd the children but he wasn’t capable of really loving and caring for you for yourselves, when you were not available to gratify him. As soon as he discovered another source, however odd it seems, he simply moved on mentally and emotionally. And as is typical he devalued what he wanted to discard.

I think it might help to think that you were blinded (deliberately) by a kind of changeling fake human. He mimicked real life and love. But it was unsustainable because inauthentic.

BellissimoGecko · 20/12/2024 14:33

YellowRoom · 15/12/2024 16:59

You describe this as if you had a great relationship which mysteriously went wrong. But you also say he love-bombed you, then if you ever challenged him, threatened to leave. This is a terrible beginning to a relationship - and entirely typical of an abusive man. He trained you from the beginning to keep your mouth shut and do as you were told. He kept you by saying that he loved you. Then the cheating... Etc etc etc. He's a nasty, manipulative bastard who only cares about himself.

Yes, this x 1000

His behaviour at the start of the relationship should have been a massive red flag.

I'd block him on everything now and create an email address that just for him to contact you.

You need to focus on yourself, not on him.

What makes you happy? What do you need to get through the day?

He sounds fucking awful.

Big hugs to you. You deserve so much better.

Nickij2024 · 21/12/2024 13:08

@dontbeabsurd your story is almost exactly the same as mine!
His ex was also very crazy and I mean bonkers but now I’m looking back and thinking how much of that did he cause. You only ever know what they tell you and it was always that he was the victim. Then again I’m sure he is telling his new woman the same about me now.

It’s just madness how someone can change so significantly and make you feel so irrelevant to them after making you feel so important and like their world for so long. I never believed people could behave this way as I’ve never encountered anything like it in my life.

He has broken his wife and children and doesn’t seem to care. He occasionally makes out he is sorry but in general his actions speak louder that he really isn’t.
It sounds bitter and I know I shouldn’t care and should focus on myself but all I want in life right now is for this thing with this woman to fail so then he has to suffer because I’ve suffered so much for 3 months and he just seems to have moved on without a care. It doesn’t seem fair. At the same time though I know it won’t change anything so it doesn’t really matter.

Im just focusing on myself and my children now as he has already taken so much away from us and I won’t give him the satisfaction of ruining Christmas too xx

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Nickij2024 · 20/01/2025 13:47

@aloha0 you were right!
End of December he all of a sudden emailed me saying that he does love me, he never meant to hurt me and he’s realised over Christmas that he’s fucked up and he wants to make it right because his head is a mess. He should have left there ages ago and that he was moving out the next day because he wants his family back and to make me happy again.
For 2 days after this I heard nothing and then on 2nd January he unblocked me and started texting me saying he had gone to his mums that morning. He reckons he stayed longer at that woman’s because he wasn’t strong enough to do New Year alone as his mum was away.

I told him straight it’s clear this woman ended it and he was adamant that she didn’t. That Christmas made him realise a lot and he told her he was leaving and she knew it was coming and was understanding about it all.

He spent 4 days crying to me telling me he will do anything to make it right. That his mental health was really bad before he left and felt like he couldn’t be here anymore so convinced himself that meant he didn’t love me anymore. He claimed to have suppressed it all for 3 months because he convinced himself he had ruined his life but it ate away at him everyday and then Christmas destroyed him.
He said he wanted to go to the doctors and get counselling and sort his life out. He basically spent 4 days feeling sorry for himself about how he wants his wife and life back etc. He put pressure on me to let him move back in as he ‘couldn’t do it alone’ but I said no and that he needs to stay at his mums and sort his shit out which he agreed was the best idea in the end.
He spoke to his mum about it all and said he had no doubts about what he wanted and would never let me down again etc. Obviously I wasn’t buying any of this as he can’t be trusted or relied on.

On day 5 I didn’t hear from him all day (he was meant to go to the doctors that day). I then got a message at 8 in the evening saying he can’t give his heart to us as it’s elsewhere and it was killing him. That apparently he had gone back to where he is ‘happy’.

The stress of it all on top of the last few months just caught up with me to the point that 2 days later I ended up fainting twice.

Once was in my back garden and I smashed my face off the concrete and cut my ear open so had to go to A&E to stitches. I told him what had happened and where I was as there was a 20 hour wait and I didn’t know if I could find someone to sit with our children.
His reply was simply that he only spent them 4 days trying to sort it with me because he wanted to speak to the kids. Which is funny because during the entire time he pretty much ignored our children to the point I got really upset and angry about it.
Even at the point i was in A&E it’s like he was still trying to kick me down.

That was the last I heard from him. He didn’t ask how I got in at the hospital, didn’t ask if I need help with the kids, hasn’t asked how the kids are; nothing.

If ever I doubted he was narcissist I definitely don’t now. Clearly this woman had ended it for some reason so he thought he could pick me and the kids up and then when he sorted it with her he just dropped us again.
He has shown once and for all he doesn’t care about me or the children in the slightest.

In a way I’m glad this happened as it has given me all the closure I needed and I see him for exactly what he is now. Vile vile man.

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username299 · 20/01/2025 14:19

You keep saying how out of character his behaviour is as though you have an idea of him in your head that doesn't tally with reality.

What he's done is completely in keeping with his character. He's always been 'up and down' and completely self absorbed.

He's wreaked havoc in your life with his mood swings, disappearing acts, affairs and love bombing. You've been on quite the rollercoaster.

He's abusive OP. He can be summed with "They should feel happy for me." He actually expects his children, who he abandoned, to be happy because he's with another woman away from them.

He's always been abusive. He love bombed you and emotionally manipulated you and jumped into a relationship with you soon after becoming single. He's now jumped into a relationship with someone else and is probably love bombing her as well.

Punishing you for challenging his behaviour and expecting you to beg for forgiveness is par for the course with abusers. They thrive on the power.

He's always been cruel as well. His proclamations of love were for show, telling you calmly about his one night stands is the real him.

The reason you feel pulled inside out is because you've been in an abusive relationship for years and they make you feel like you're mad.

I really suggest you get some therapy to process what's happened. If you contact your local domestic abuse organisation, they might be able to suggest counsellors.

Diarygirlqueen · 20/01/2025 14:24

What a truly awful man. I'm glad you see the real him now and you and your children can move on and heal.

Christl78 · 20/01/2025 14:30

Nickij2024 · 15/12/2024 16:23

This is quite a long one.
Myself and my husband have been together for 11 years - married for 3 of them.
The start of our relationship was very full on, I was a single mum of 24 and he was 29 and had left his previous relationship 3 months before.
Within 2 months he was crying about how much he loved me and within 3 months we were living together.
Roll round to our 1 year anniversary and he proposed, a week later I found out I was pregnant.
For 8 years our relationship was generally great. We got on so well, laughed all the time, loved each other so much and just enjoyed life together.
The only concerns up to that point was that he was always very up and down. Not daily but he would go from idolising me (and I mean worshipped the ground I walked on) for months to then threatening to leave if I ever called him out on anything or he deemed me being ‘negative’. This would always result in me running to him and apologising and within 5 minutes of me doing that it was like nothing had happened and he would be back to worshipping me.
I became very codependent on him which was unlike me because prior to him I was very confident and secure.
After 8 years together we got married and had such a wonderful wedding. He made everyone in the room cry, grown men included with his speech about how much he loved me.
7 months later he went on a work trip to America for 6 weeks. Whilst away he admitted he was struggling and hadn’t been sleeping on top of working for 35 days in a row.
On the last couple of days I didn’t hear from him for 24 hours. He then texted me on his way to the airport to come home saying we needed to speak. Turns out he had slept with 3 separate women whilst away but continued to call me like nothing happened in between this time. The final woman he actually met up with twice and on the last day even bought her to the hotel he was staying at in front of all of his work friends who knew he was married.

It’s safe to say I was completely heartbroken and blind sided. When he walked in the house he was a completely different person and said the most hurtful things to me such as ‘it was the best sex I ever had’ and ‘I had feelings for her’ - baring in mind he met the 3rd one only twice.
He moved out of our family home and rented a room in a shared house. During this time I was very concerned about him as he had said he was feeling suicidal etc. He had been to the doctors and signed off work with burnout following the trip and they wanted to see him back for depression once he had started sleeping but he refused to go. I tried to support him and in the end 6 weeks later he went back to the doctors and was placed on antidepressants.
We had counselling together and it was basically explained to me as a perfect storm. Lack of sleep, being away from home, being lonely, mental health problems etc which led him to seek comfort in something that made him feel better. He admitted as much as he said he felt ‘empty’ when away and these women made him feel how I did which he missed.
Long story short we decided to work on our marriage and work through it. I forgave him but obviously the trust was never the same.

Roll on 2 years later. We were happy, still laughed everyday, he was affectionate, left me love notes before work, came home with flowers etc and was the person he always was.
Things then changed in the summer. He turned 40 in July and had always been very funny about getting older due to the fact his family all die relativity young (his uncle died at 51 last year from a heart attack and he was fit and healthy).
He had some health issues with GERD in August where he didn’t eat for over a week and then felt really overwhelmed and got upset about the standard the GP tests you have at 40 as he thought there might be something wrong with him. He’s always been very weak emotionally and doesn’t cope well with stress in life.
He was tired all the time and sleeping a lot during this time and just seemed to be on autopilot.

Mid August it was our 3rd wedding anniversary. He wrote the most lovely things in my card and cried on the day telling me how much he loved me.
The following week we went on holiday and it was a nightmare. Our youngest child is autistic and she did not cope well at all. On the first night we had an argument and he said he didn’t know if this was what he wanted anymore. The following day he apologised and said he was tired, had had a drink and was stressed. Told me he loved me and dropped it.

The next 2 weeks his behaviour changed dramatically. He broke down crying saying he felt so down and didn’t know why as he has a great wife, life etc but he was struggling. I suggested he went to the doctors but he refused as he didn’t want to go on medication again. I tried to support him as much as I could.
He became very snappy and irritable and at one point spoke to me so badly in front of our children telling me to ‘get back in my box’ which was so out of character for him.

The following week he walked out on the Saturday to get the car checked and did not come home for 3 days. All I got during this time was a few texts saying his head was a mess and I deserve the best and he can’t give that to me atm because he was overwhelmed in life.
He said he stayed with a friend from football for the few days in his spare room.

On the Tuesday he turned up back at home and didn’t even want to discuss it. This is typical for him as he has always avoided difficult conversations and gets very defensive when he is called out for being in the wrong.
When we finally did talk he said he knows it was selfish leaving but he needed some space to sort his head out.
During the conversation he got very upset about something the friend had said about why I forgave him 2 years ago for cheating. He asked how he knew I wasn’t only with him for the kids and that I wouldn’t kick him out when they are older. I obviously told him this was not the case at all.
For the next few days I was still angry and upset with him and things felt tense.
On the Thursday night we checked in for our holiday to Turkey online and he was discussing going to view venues for my mums birthday party. The next day he text me on his morning break as he always did asking how my morning was going.
4 hours later he came home, sat down and said he didn’t love me anymore, he’d been acting for ages and was a better actor than he thought.
I asked if there was someone else or if he had cheated again and he said there wasn’t someone else but he can’t say he would never cheat on me again because he didn’t love me. I was understandably distraught during this conversation whereas he was completely cold and detached with no emotion there at all.
He walked out like nothing happened chatting to our neighbour on the way like we had just discussed what to have for dinner.

He came to collect some stuff the following day and was smirking at me whilst I was upset saying ‘at least I’m not a hindrance to you anymore’
In the week and a half that followed he was very angry towards me and for the majority of the time flat out ignored me. He did not contact our children at all even though our oldest (my 14 year old who he has raised as his own) has a mobile phone.

2 weeks after leaving his messages changed from anger to more guilt like such as ‘you all deserve so much better than me’, ‘I’m an idiot’. He then told me he had rented a room from a woman at work he saw on a notice board and they had ‘gotten close’.
Now I wasn’t born yesterday, I have asked him so many times if something was going on before and he is adamant it wasn’t and he only messaged her via work chat about the room. She apparently is also going through a break up and has no family to rely on the same as him so they have supported each other and apparently become ‘fond of each other’.

We are now nearly 3 months down the line. He is still living with this woman. When I asked outright 2 weeks ago if he was in a relationship with her all I got was ‘Yes and I’m happy’. No consideration at all for my feelings or how much that would hurt me.

He did not bother with his children at all or even ask after them for 2 months. I told him both were struggling and I had had their schools on the phone but he still did not ask about them or to see them.
He did not turn up to take our youngest to football as promised. He did not even send our daughter a birthday card. This is the man who was always the best dad I could ever have asked for for our children so it’s been very difficult to deal with.

All I have had from him for months is him either ignoring me or acting like he has done me a favour.
He has had no empathy or compassion at all for how this has affected me and the children and is only concerned with himself.
He even made a comment that the children should be happy because their dad is happy. Completely oblivious to the bomb he has thrown into their lives.

He has also occasionally thrown in the odd message about ruining his life, paying the price for that, losing everything etc but then the next day would be telling me he is so happy now.
He would also occasionally out the blue send me messages like nothing had happened such as ‘how is the house after the storm’ ‘did you have a good weekend’ which is just very confusing.

At one point he messaged me telling me how happy he is where he is living because it’s quiet and stress free. I’m assuming he’s referring to our children which again is just madness because who has that attitude about their own children. It’s so out of character for him.

A few weeks ago he decided to remember he had children and asked to see them. They have both said right now they don’t want to see him because they are angry and upset.

I was then subjected to a barrage of abuse that it’s my fault and im bitter and twisted and I will ruin the kids. He seems incapable of accepting any responsibility in this and is instead blaming me and even my mother for apparently turning his kids against him.
And rather than try to do anything to make that better and rebuild his relationship with them he has now just accepted it as what it is and blocked me and all of my family on every method of communication possible like the kids don’t exist to him anymore.

Im am struggling to understand what has happened here. I know the logical response is he had an affair and left for this woman but I’m struggling to believe that.
Other than football twice a week he never really went anywhere, our money was joint, he wasn’t on his phone all the time or any of the other typical signs you look for.

Other than 2 years ago when he lost his bloody marbles he has always been the most loving, caring, supportive and attentive husband and dad.
My whole family are completely mortified because they always thought he was disgustingly in love with me. We even went on a big family holiday early July and they said he was like a love sick puppy as always.

This change from such a loving man to this cold, detached, selfish and nasty one has happened so quickly and I’m struggling to understand how it could happen.
How can the most loving father just cut his children off like they don’t exist?
How can the most loving husband just drop his 11 year relationship and act like it meant nothing to him.
This man has gone from making me feel like the important person in the world to him to making me feel like he doesn’t care if I am dead or alive with the flick of a switch.

I am absolutely broken, I’ve lost 2 stone during this time, im a complete mess and it feels like it will never get better. I never thought this would happen and I’ve never been made to feel so insignificant in my entire life.

Looking for some insight here

I am not a psychotherapist or a psychiatrist, therefore I cannot give an opinion about personality disorders, however he does sounds a lot like a combination of BPD and narcissism.
As for you, extreme codependency and you definitely need therapy. You are lucky he left otherwise you would end up really sick probably with a serious autoimmune disorder.
my ex husband had erratic behaviour, not to this extent, but very volatile person. As soon as I caught his cheating I left him. I should have done it earlier, but had codependency issues as well stemming from childhood trauma.

Nickij2024 · 20/01/2025 15:59

He’s a horrible person and I see that clear as day now.
The hurting me and the kids all over again just because it suited him at the time because he probably thought he had no other options shows his true nature.
The fact he didn’t even care I was at the hospital after he spent hours crying about how much he wanted his wife and life back only a few days before shows how cold and manipulative he is.

After he went back to this woman’s house our 14 year old messaged him telling him what she thinks of him and the way he has behaved. His reply to her was ‘I’m sorry you feel that way, I don’t expect you to understand but not everything in adult life works out’.

Hes completely self absorbed and doesn’t care about anyone at all but himself. Well he probably cares about this new woman right now but I’m sure she will be in my position too as some point. The way he can drop people including his own children so casually and coldly will never make sense to me but I suppose that’s because I’m a normal person.

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blacksax · 20/01/2025 16:27

Amazing, isn't it, just how many depressed men are magically able to cure their depression by sticking their dick into another woman.

aloha0 · 20/01/2025 17:39

I'm glad you came back to this thread OP.

What he's done is textbook.

They probably had an argument or something.

OR

He just wanted to boost his ego and check in to see if you'd take him back. It's like testing your boundaries.

You've done so amazingly well to keep it together.

You've probably totally SHOCKED him that you have resisted- after he's conditioned you for years and years with the whole "fairytale relationship, princess treatment" bullsh*t.

That's why he's rewritten history to "oh I never wanted you back, I just wanted to see the kids". It's because you've hurt his ego by rejecting him! So he now has to convince himself of a new narrative.

Odiebay · 20/01/2025 18:04

You need to not engage with him unless it's about the kids.
You need to get some legal advice and file for divorce.
Your kids and you deserve stability.
This man is not depressed. He's just a loser using women when and how he wants. Stop letting him!

Nickij2024 · 20/01/2025 18:25

@aloha0 from reading between the lines of what he was saying I get the impression he was upset over Christmas. Probably feeling sorry for himself he didn’t have this perfect family unit and they spent Christmas Day at the pub just the two of them. I reckon he probably did it for attention but then it backfired and she probably thought he isn’t over everything and ended it.
I get the impression she is abit older than him. She also paid for them both to go to Egypt the week before Christmas.
I can then only assume after a few days away he’s managed to talk her back round and she’s had him back and POOF we haven’t heard from him since.

This thread has honestly helped me so much with perspective. My family are all too close to it as they all feel completely fooled by him as they thought he was this amazing, great guy who loved me so much so it’s hard for them to see it from an outsider point of view.

Leave him to it though. I considered letting this woman know what she’s in for and sending her the screenshots of everything he was saying to me for them few days but firstly I can’t find her as he had made it impossible with his social media settings and secondly I just need to focus on myself and my kids and leave him to lie in the bed he has made for himself.

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icelolly12 · 20/01/2025 18:44

Not sure if he's a narcissist, doesn't sound like it, but it sounds like he doesn't have a good self worth and seeks external validation hence needing to be in a relationship/having sex at all times. He needs therapy either way.

aloha0 · 20/01/2025 18:46

@Nickij2024 I understand the temptation to send her messages (if in theory you could find her!) but honestly even if you did, please don't. He's probably told her you are a crazy bunny boiler and it will just play into that narrative- "see I told you she's mental!".

Plus if she's in the initial stages of romance with him/honeymoon she will probably just convince herself somehow of whatever excuse he tells her.

For example, I was with a man years ago for about 4-5 months and he was totally love bombing me, so I was head over heels at the time. I had some weird fake accounts on Instagram sending me screenshots of his profile on dating sites and warning me off him/he's a liar.

When he spoke to him, he told me these must be old screenshots. When I asked him why would anyone go to those efforts to disrupt our relationship (he had no recent exes or relationships for many years) he said it must be someone he chatted to on OLD before he met me who was jealous. I totally lapped it up! Yes of course it was some headcase just jealous of our love Blush

Well of course I found out later on he was on OLD! And these were genuine messages to call him out. It's so obvious looking back, no normal person would be so scorned to do that over a bloke they just chatted to months ago. But when you have those rose tinted glasses on you believe anything!

I'm honestly amazed how well you've done as I suspected initially he would come crawling back and that you may accept his excuses. You can hold you head high, he will look like the joke in the end. No one will be viewing him in a good light because of this. Believe me x

SuffolkUnicorn · 20/01/2025 18:53

He’s an absolute wanker

EmeraldDreams73 · 20/01/2025 19:04

Oh OP, what an absolute arsehole he is. I'm so sorry you and your dc have been put through this.

For what it's worth, his behaviour is textbook narcissistic abuse and there are different types - covert, for example. But actually what matters is that you look after your own mh, work on detaching emotionally, and get yourself (and ideally your dc) some counselling to unpick all this and help yourselves going forward.

He's a piece of shit. I suspect you might look back before long and think, you know what? He was only ever lovely when life was going his way. Take care x

pikkumyy77 · 20/01/2025 19:21

You really have to protect yourself and your kids. Now he has reached the stage of discarding you twice—or perhaps its more than twice—he will cycle faster and faster. If he comes back for another bite at the apple he will love bomb you again and drop you again just as fast.

Dont let him! The stress will kill you. Just ignore him—refuse all contact that is not a cheque for the children or about the children. Be robotic in your interactions: just the facts and nothing more. Don’t ask for any kindness or humanity—you won’t get it.

Christl78 · 20/01/2025 19:25

Definitely don’t send her a message. Honestly? This woman has saved you and you should send her flowers. Let her suffer while you rebuild yourself and live your best life. She keeps him away from you and that’s great.
I think he is definitely a narc, I am surprised many people here say he isn’t, but he probably also has BPD (Bipolar Personality Disorder).

AMurderofMurderingCrows · 20/01/2025 19:25

Wow, he's a piece of work. I'm so sorry you've had to go through that. I'm glad that you can see through him and will never have him back but it doesn't help with the trauma he's caused for you and your kids. Bastard.

Nickij2024 · 20/01/2025 19:51

What’s worse is I haven’t even explained the half of it. I’ve been having therapy and it’s making me realise how manipulative and abusive he has been and the fact I used to excuse it because 99% of the time he treated me like I walked on water and was his world.

On my birthday last year we went out for food and drinks, after a couple of hours he said he wanted to go home. I said I didn’t as it was my birthday and was enjoying myself. This resulted in him walking off and leaving me in town alone and I ended up getting a taxi home to my sister who had the kids crying.

Whenever he went away with his football friends for their annual weekend in Blackpool I used to ask him to text me every now and then to check in because I always felt like I was out of sight out of mind with him and after he cheated it made me quite insecure as I’m sure you can’t imagine. For 2 years in a row he said he would do it but both times I wouldn’t hear from him from around 5pm in the evening until the next morning and he never seemed to understand why it upset me.

On our anniversary in August we were at a comedy club and I asked him to get off his phone. He proceeded to call me a dickhead and a twat constantly for around 20 minutes and told me I had ruined the night and he was going to go home. Even when I went to the toilet crying and came back he still didn’t care. Eventually after half an hour I went outside for 5 minutes and when I came back he had ordered me a drink and just tried to act like nothing had happened.
Whenever I tried to raise any issues I had about our relationship he would say things like ‘hurry up and say what you have to’ and then when I had he would say ‘are you done’. He would then say I was getting him down by having ‘a pop’ at him just because I tried to discuss things.

For so long I excused it and ignored it and let him get up the next day and pretend like everything was fine because as I said he was so loving most of the time that I felt like everyone was allowed to have an off day. Now I see it for what it is. Couples can argue and have bad days but the way he behaved was more than that and it should never have been excused.

I used to be such a strong, independent person before I met him and now I am this weak, codependent mess and I don’t know how I have become like this but I won’t let him continue to drag me down anymore.

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Christl78 · 20/01/2025 20:08

Nickij2024 · 20/01/2025 19:51

What’s worse is I haven’t even explained the half of it. I’ve been having therapy and it’s making me realise how manipulative and abusive he has been and the fact I used to excuse it because 99% of the time he treated me like I walked on water and was his world.

On my birthday last year we went out for food and drinks, after a couple of hours he said he wanted to go home. I said I didn’t as it was my birthday and was enjoying myself. This resulted in him walking off and leaving me in town alone and I ended up getting a taxi home to my sister who had the kids crying.

Whenever he went away with his football friends for their annual weekend in Blackpool I used to ask him to text me every now and then to check in because I always felt like I was out of sight out of mind with him and after he cheated it made me quite insecure as I’m sure you can’t imagine. For 2 years in a row he said he would do it but both times I wouldn’t hear from him from around 5pm in the evening until the next morning and he never seemed to understand why it upset me.

On our anniversary in August we were at a comedy club and I asked him to get off his phone. He proceeded to call me a dickhead and a twat constantly for around 20 minutes and told me I had ruined the night and he was going to go home. Even when I went to the toilet crying and came back he still didn’t care. Eventually after half an hour I went outside for 5 minutes and when I came back he had ordered me a drink and just tried to act like nothing had happened.
Whenever I tried to raise any issues I had about our relationship he would say things like ‘hurry up and say what you have to’ and then when I had he would say ‘are you done’. He would then say I was getting him down by having ‘a pop’ at him just because I tried to discuss things.

For so long I excused it and ignored it and let him get up the next day and pretend like everything was fine because as I said he was so loving most of the time that I felt like everyone was allowed to have an off day. Now I see it for what it is. Couples can argue and have bad days but the way he behaved was more than that and it should never have been excused.

I used to be such a strong, independent person before I met him and now I am this weak, codependent mess and I don’t know how I have become like this but I won’t let him continue to drag me down anymore.

I really haven’t seen any pricess treatment on any of your posts. Just breadcrumbing maybe and treating you badly like 90% of the times.
maybe you have to discuss with your therapist why you accepted so little. Chances are that you have faced childhood neglect and trauma and this feels like the normal to you. This is what happened to me in my marriage.

Nickij2024 · 20/01/2025 20:26

@Christl78 oh no there was and that’s why it was so confusing.
He would do anything for me most of the time. He would go to the gym early and come home after the gym and before work to wake me up with a cup of tea if he knew I was in the office.
He would make me a bacon sandwich every Sunday and bring it to me in bed. Whenever I went on a night out I would come home to a glass of water and my brushed mouth guard (I know vile haha) next to the bed. He would hug and kiss me and hold my hand all the time. He most of the time genuinely seemed like he was only happy if I was happy and just wanted to be the best husband he could be.

But like I said it was an extreme rollercoaster because it was either like this or it was on the floor and there was never any in between. Because he was the nice, caring him most of the time it made it easier almost the write off the bad times which I should never have done.

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bombastix · 20/01/2025 20:29

A narcissist. And it doesn't surprise me to hear you were a strong independent woman; it's those they like the best, because they know that person has resilience and skill. They don't pick on weak people, but they do enjoy humbling strong ones