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Choosing between connection and the familiar/secure. WWYD?

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tinseltwon · 11/12/2024 17:43

I'm currently (8 months total) with a man who is lovely in so many ways. He's interesting with lots of strings to his bow, we can talk for hours and share many interests, he's good looking, good in bed, good with my dd (although she only knows him in a capacity as my 'friend' at the moment and he has been very patient about how I want to play the relationship in terms of my dd), caring - eg helps out in every way when he's at my house and sweet stuff like he always tucks me in if I fall asleep on the sofa, he brings me breakfast and coffee in bed when he stays, he drove a van 3 hours each way to help me pick up an eBay Xmas present for my dd last week. But. He's not very ambitious for himself. He doesn't own a property and all his assets are in investments/cash. He sees life as being for experiences so he will work for a few months in a lucrative contract role then take a few months off to travel or work on his projects, he has lived like this his whole adult life and he is now in his mid 40s. We are from very different backgrounds- me typical middle class with a good degree and traditional career, he from a working class bg and very much 'school of life'. As much as I love him, I feel like for some reason we might not work long term. I value stability, a partner who works a similar schedule to me and has similar goals and concerns. I like a nice house, nice holidays, but he couldn't really care about that stuff. It's painful because the more time I spend with this man, the more I miss my ex who had a very similar educational and professional background to me, he was dd's dad, we did a lot to our shared home and went on some awesome trips and had cool experiences over the years as we began to earn more as a couple. We broke up because I was feeling incredibly unfulfilled because on the flip side, my ex spent all his free time PC gaming and didn't enjoy conversation, wouldn't compromise with me on movies to watch and wasn't interested in what I had to say, kind of let me get on with things (including doing all the domestic load and childcare) but also was an excellent provider with really good earning potential. We also didn't have sex anymore. When we split I had to move to a lower cost of living area and I have missed my old home and my way of life almost every day since, even when things have been good with my new partner. I don't enjoy where I live, I am struggling financially and having survived a dirt poor childhood I deeply regret giving up my stability.

My ex has now asked me to come back and try again. He and dd miss each other as much as he and I miss each other. We were together for many years and compromised on our personality differences for a very comfortable mutually enjoyable life. My family all tell me how love is the answer and being able to connect and converse and share interests is the key to happiness but I have not been happier even having that with the new man, I just feel down about all I have lost. My life with this new man, if it progresses, I worry will be a smaller life. It sounds so harsh nd unfair, especially as the new man is so kind and has no idea ex has contacted me or that I am seriously considering going back to him. He would be absolutely devastated if we split. But for a number of reasons I won't go into, I know this is last chance saloon with my ex and that door is about to close forever. If I could teleport back to my old life right now without hurting the new man, I 100% would. A little voice in my head is telling me I would miss the new man desperately over time and that I would feel lonely and bored back in my old life, but I know there would be good things too.

How do I do this? I am so afraid of making the wrong choice. It really does feel like a choice between laughter/sex/conversation and money/stability. No one has any idea I am facing this dilemma and I feel pretty ashamed. It feels like if I was truly happier without my ex I would have got there by now, we broke up over a year ago. But I am so depressed these days I can barely get out of bed in the mornings. I think of my old home and life all the time and the opportunities there for DD were so much better. it seems like a no brainer... and yet, I will lose something really special.

Any thoughts on this.. I would really appreciate it.

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category12 · 16/12/2024 18:31

tinseltwon · 16/12/2024 16:58

My ex has responded by email (I didnt block on there) saying I am a raging narcissist and have destroyed him as a person, and that he wished he never had to see me again except he has to because of dd. It hurt as much as all the nasty stuff he ever said to me and I feel broken, why was I still harking back to that relationship that was so bad for me. I feel like I have no idea what is important anymore. All my life I have looked for the comfort of things and money, been through shopping addiction on and off, credit card debt...... It's made me really closed off and shallow and I am afraid I am pushing this new partner away for all the wrong reasons. I want to change and as I said, I think therapy will be helpful for that, I just wish I had not hurt others along the way. My ex has always saddled me with so much guilt and emotional manipulation, even now he says its 'too late' for him to go and see his own family on Christmas, I feel horrendous...

Well he certainly showed you again why you were right to leave him.

Of course it's not too late for him to go to his family, what a lot of manipulative bullshit. Balls, balls, utter tosh.

At least you can see your own flaws, rather than blaming everything on someone else. And you want to do better, whereas he doesn't.

So stop beating yourself up.

Ivegotaboneinmyleg · 17/12/2024 13:28

tinseltwon · 16/12/2024 16:58

My ex has responded by email (I didnt block on there) saying I am a raging narcissist and have destroyed him as a person, and that he wished he never had to see me again except he has to because of dd. It hurt as much as all the nasty stuff he ever said to me and I feel broken, why was I still harking back to that relationship that was so bad for me. I feel like I have no idea what is important anymore. All my life I have looked for the comfort of things and money, been through shopping addiction on and off, credit card debt...... It's made me really closed off and shallow and I am afraid I am pushing this new partner away for all the wrong reasons. I want to change and as I said, I think therapy will be helpful for that, I just wish I had not hurt others along the way. My ex has always saddled me with so much guilt and emotional manipulation, even now he says its 'too late' for him to go and see his own family on Christmas, I feel horrendous...

Okay. Let's look at what he said: "You are a raging narcissist and it's too late for me to go and see my family for Christmas" deal. See this? This is a guilt trip. It is actually manipuatively written so that you, again, are the one "in the wrong". It is actually written to make you feel guilty so that you comply with whatever he wants you to do.

Stop feeling "horrendous". That is exactly what your ex's message is wanting to achieve. Go Christmas shopping and appreciate a better man is my advice 100% Make a NICE Christmas and life for yourself and your daughter.🌸

tinseltwon · 17/12/2024 16:54

He has said many times that the woman he married 'is dead', that I'm not her, and it's done a number on me because I feel like my reality of the last x years has been changed, like I'm being told I am not myself or equally that I've caused all the issues, that he was perfect and I fucked it up, I am really struggling with this at the moment. It's like coming out of jail after several years and someone telling you no, you never even went to jail, that didnt happen. So all that pain and baggage from the relationship feels like it's on my shoulders as ex refuses to acknowledge he contributed to any of our issues and he is so cruel and yes, manipulative and guilt tripping. I had asked him to drive up to get us (it's a couple hundred miles) and he said he wouldn't as I am the one who needs to come back to him. If he had loved me why didnt he come get us? I dont know, just feel like I still have all this sadness and I hate that it is affecting things with my new man, who is amazing, but I know I am probably not 100% ready. I dont want to lose him. I am trying really hard to focus on the now, today, and not think of my ex but its hard at xmas when that was always a good time for us. And now I know we are really 100% done. Brain dump again.. sorry. I appreciate all the advice so much.

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ElleintheWoods · 17/12/2024 17:08

Does it actually have to be either of them?

What really gets me is this:
We broke up because I was feeling incredibly unfulfilled because on the flip side, my ex spent all his free time PC gaming and didn't enjoy conversation, wouldn't compromise with me on movies to watch and wasn't interested in what I had to say, kind of let me get on with things (including doing all the domestic load and childcare)

So basically he wasn’t interested in you or your needs in any way? You were effectively single and living your own life but financially better off?

Why do you want to go back to someone that isn’t interested in you and doesn’t love you but simply can’t find anyone else?

The time after divorce is always financially challenging. It’s up to you whether you go back to a miserable situation or ride it out and stand on your own 2 feet, not having to choose a man based on what they can provide.

Not going to lie, it was tempting to date rich men after I became single as I still wanted the good life, but the most liberating part was being able to pay for my own good life after a while.

Make your own money, marry someone funny as they say.

MyrtleStrumpet · 17/12/2024 17:27

This struck me as significant:
he is so cruel and yes, manipulative and guilt tripping.

You don't need that. He's not taking responsibility for his actions and in fact is being cruel about it. It's classic DARVO: Deny, Accuse you, Reverse Victim and Offender.

He is manipulating you and you are having a completely normal reaction to his gaslighting. He loves knowing that you might want him back. I promise you if you did go back it would be 1000 times worse.

It sounds as though you have a terrific new partner who is loving an supportive AND who sees what needs to be done AND THEN DOES IT WITHOUT ASKING!

He's practically perfect. Though do watch out for love bombing and in case he starts to undermine you.

Thoughts are just thoughts. Think about your DC growing up with certainty, in a loving family, cared for by you. Think about what you deserve and how much you provide for yourself and DC. Those thoughts are resilient and shoe your strengths.

It's OK to brain dump. It's what we're here for. Put the thoughts here and leave them. In a month or two, in a year or two, you'll look back at this and wonder why it was such a big deal. Walk forwards into your future xx

EveryOtherNameTaken · 17/12/2024 17:35

Your ex is 'willing to give you one more chance'.

Control freak. He's manipulating you knowing you want to go back. After being back for a bit he will go back to his ways. Is the home worth that?

iamnotalemon · 17/12/2024 18:07

If you are considering going back to your ex, please don't string your new guy along any further. He sounds lovely by the way.
Your ex sounds like an awful human.

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