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Don't know where to start

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CrazyHormoneLady · 09/12/2024 10:34

I've started several threads the last couple of weeks but can't really find the words to describe what's going on.

I'm feeling increasingly stuck in my relationship. We've been together 11 years, have a 3 year old and own our own property. Not married.

My partner has a drinking issue that keeps rearing its head; the drinking completely changes his personality and I mostly find him incredibly irritating when he drinks. He's also not good with money and in spite of having a joint account and trying to pay equally into there (similar salaries), I have ended up paying a lot more (looking back I have paid £20k more into our joint account in the last 5 years than he has) thanks to various episodes of unemployment and sickness (e.g. he has just gone back to work since pulling his shoulder out in August - something that could have been fixed long ago if he'd have called the consultant and arranged an injection after being told to do that - instead he dragged his feet on it until eventually it got sorted).

We've been trying to rekindle things in the bedroom, but the last time we had sex he was drunk and he was a bit rough with me, then afterwards told me I was a "great fuck" which made me feel absolutely disgusting. He's since told me it was just a joke that landed badly.

He had been telling me his drinking was getting worse because he felt like I wasn't loving enough, so I spent hundreds of pounds and tens of hours of counselling across 2023 and 2024 to try and find a way of rekindling my feelings towards him after he got completely drunk at my step-sister's wedding and disappeared to go to a bar whilst I was putting our then-1 year old to bed. That night I told him he needed to stop drinking or I would leave him and he laughed at me! But was very apologetic once he'd sobered up.

I managed to start feeling warmer and more loving towards him again due to him stopping drinking for almost a year and things started looking up. However, literally the weekend after I told the counsellor that I thought I didn't need her anymore and that I finally had feelings for him again, he went to the pub after I'd gone to bed, came back, tried to watch porn and found it was blocked on his phone so woke me up at 2am to accuse me of blocking porn on his phone - I hadn't, it's the wifi provider - but he wouldn't believe me for about 2 hours of arguing. I went back to bed shattered, upset and broken, and that's when he actually realised it wasn't me that blocked porn. I have always said to him that as long as it's not cam girls he's watching, and I don't find out, then he could watch porn. Since finding out about trafficking and the effects of porn on young people, I have become very anti-porn. My partner says he watches porn because we're not having sex, we haven't spoken about me being anti-porn though.

There have been various incidents like this over the years, all related to drinking, two related to porn (I found he'd been trying to search live cams a year or two ago which we agreed years ago is a no-go for me as I feel it's cheating). Too many things to write about here, it would be a book!

His behaviour has ground me down, and I want to leave. I know when I do leave him, he'll tell me he'll stop drinking, and he might well do that. But I know it's only a matter of time before something else bad happens, and I've lost the will to fight for this relationship. I'm a wet blanket and I think I'm going to end up falling for his claim to stop drinking.

How do I leave?! I think I still love him, but I'm completely fed up and to be honest I don't think I can bring myself to have sex with him ever again. Do I find somewhere new to live first? How do I manage all this with a 3 year old?! How do I get through Christmas?! Do I just take it steady and find another therapist to talk me through everything?

Sorry for the long post, I just need to get this out of my system. All this has been weighing on my mind and I'm behind at work with millions of deadlines looming - it's making me feel ill and tired and disconnected from life. My poor daughter has had a shell of mummy looking after her over this weekend, I've found it so hard to be present with her.

I will check back later - thanks everyone!

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AlertCat · 03/01/2025 22:04

When DD and I are on the next boat, what do I tell her? That Mummy and Daddy don't live on the same boat any more but we both love her very much? Is there anything I can do to prepare her without giving the game away?

what is she, three? Yes. And as she gets older you can explain that daddy is ill, which means he sometimes drinks and can’t stop so he isn’t always able to look after her. You can do this factually without doing him down, but it’s an explanation that she will need as time goes on.

I'm so excited about a new start but simultaneously feel like I'm jumping into the void. It feels like such a sudden and harsh thing to do to someone, and that I'm turning everyone's life upside down
The first bit is great, but it isn’t harsh to do this because alcoholism is a disease, and alcoholics will always, always put their drinking above everything and everyone else. That’s no place for you and certainly no place for your daughter. Unfortunately he has had lots of chances to make different choices, but he’s done what he’s done and now he has ti accept the consequences.

Good luck with your boat hunting. I’m on a boat myself, moved aboard with dd when she was five and it’s been great for us. Feel free to message if you like, there may be something useful around here that I could give you the heads up on (or maybe you’re moored up just up the way from us 😆)

CrazyHormoneLady · 05/01/2025 08:20

Thanks everyone, you're right I'm making the situation better for us, and really looking forward to it. I think the thing with my partner's alcoholism is that it hasn't been consistent so it feels like I'm having an extreme reaction. I know I'm not deep down, don't worry! But when someone says "alcoholic" you picture a person drinking from first thing in the morning and ending their day completely blotto. This isn't that pattern, although it has definitely got worse over the last month especially.

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CrazyHormoneLady · 05/01/2025 08:21

AlertCat · 03/01/2025 22:04

When DD and I are on the next boat, what do I tell her? That Mummy and Daddy don't live on the same boat any more but we both love her very much? Is there anything I can do to prepare her without giving the game away?

what is she, three? Yes. And as she gets older you can explain that daddy is ill, which means he sometimes drinks and can’t stop so he isn’t always able to look after her. You can do this factually without doing him down, but it’s an explanation that she will need as time goes on.

I'm so excited about a new start but simultaneously feel like I'm jumping into the void. It feels like such a sudden and harsh thing to do to someone, and that I'm turning everyone's life upside down
The first bit is great, but it isn’t harsh to do this because alcoholism is a disease, and alcoholics will always, always put their drinking above everything and everyone else. That’s no place for you and certainly no place for your daughter. Unfortunately he has had lots of chances to make different choices, but he’s done what he’s done and now he has ti accept the consequences.

Good luck with your boat hunting. I’m on a boat myself, moved aboard with dd when she was five and it’s been great for us. Feel free to message if you like, there may be something useful around here that I could give you the heads up on (or maybe you’re moored up just up the way from us 😆)

I shall PM you! There's a few single mums on the canal around me which is nice. Who knows, we might already know one another 😁

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Bittenonce · 05/01/2025 08:46

CrazyHormoneLady · 05/01/2025 08:20

Thanks everyone, you're right I'm making the situation better for us, and really looking forward to it. I think the thing with my partner's alcoholism is that it hasn't been consistent so it feels like I'm having an extreme reaction. I know I'm not deep down, don't worry! But when someone says "alcoholic" you picture a person drinking from first thing in the morning and ending their day completely blotto. This isn't that pattern, although it has definitely got worse over the last month especially.

I think ‘alcoholic’ can be a really unhelpful label; everyone has a different idea of what it means and can always find a definition that suits them (ie not me - him - her - whatever).
What matters is - can he control it? Is it messing up his / other people’s lives?

CrazyHormoneLady · 05/01/2025 09:14

Bittenonce · 05/01/2025 08:46

I think ‘alcoholic’ can be a really unhelpful label; everyone has a different idea of what it means and can always find a definition that suits them (ie not me - him - her - whatever).
What matters is - can he control it? Is it messing up his / other people’s lives?

It's messing up his health, our family, it makes him impulsive and rude. He often can't stop when he starts. When DD was about 4 months old he disappeared for an evening and came back in the early hours with a broken jaw because he had got into a fight. To top it off, the week he had surgery, DD and I came down with Covid (this was in 2022) and he was in hospital for all of that, I was left with a poorly baby and two dogs to look after. One of the worst weeks of my life.

Looking back there are so many incidents and all are related to alcohol. I definitely find the 'alcoholic' label difficult to apply to him, so often say he has 'disordered drinking', but at the same time that takes away the fact that it's part of him.

He definitely has an addict's personality; many selfish traits, impulsive, makes loads of excuses to drink (if he's sad, angry, happy, bored, it's raining, it's sunny, it's the weekend, he's just had a hard 'day's' work...). So perhaps the alcoholic label is right!

One of the hardest things to comprehend is if I have a day where I struggle with my mental health, his reaction isn't to lean in or take some of the strain, it's to drink and turn away from me. I had severe post natal anxiety, which if I'm honest worsened due to his drinking and not feeling like he was safe around DD. He blames my PNA for making him feel excluded and felt pushed away, so he drank. But he was drinking before and he's still drinking now 🤷🏻

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AlertCat · 05/01/2025 12:21

He certainly ticks the boxes doesn’t he, even if “functional alcoholic” is still appropriate. He puts drinking above you, above supporting you or being a parent. I’m so sorry. You’re definitely doing the right thing and it takes a huge amount of strength- you are awesome!

TipsyJoker · 05/01/2025 12:52

CrazyHormoneLady · 05/01/2025 09:14

It's messing up his health, our family, it makes him impulsive and rude. He often can't stop when he starts. When DD was about 4 months old he disappeared for an evening and came back in the early hours with a broken jaw because he had got into a fight. To top it off, the week he had surgery, DD and I came down with Covid (this was in 2022) and he was in hospital for all of that, I was left with a poorly baby and two dogs to look after. One of the worst weeks of my life.

Looking back there are so many incidents and all are related to alcohol. I definitely find the 'alcoholic' label difficult to apply to him, so often say he has 'disordered drinking', but at the same time that takes away the fact that it's part of him.

He definitely has an addict's personality; many selfish traits, impulsive, makes loads of excuses to drink (if he's sad, angry, happy, bored, it's raining, it's sunny, it's the weekend, he's just had a hard 'day's' work...). So perhaps the alcoholic label is right!

One of the hardest things to comprehend is if I have a day where I struggle with my mental health, his reaction isn't to lean in or take some of the strain, it's to drink and turn away from me. I had severe post natal anxiety, which if I'm honest worsened due to his drinking and not feeling like he was safe around DD. He blames my PNA for making him feel excluded and felt pushed away, so he drank. But he was drinking before and he's still drinking now 🤷🏻

I’d say he is an alcoholic based on this

www.aa.org/faq/am-i-alcoholic

Bittenonce · 05/01/2025 16:01

@CrazyHormoneLady that qualifies as a problem for sure. And whatever other effects - it’s doing your head in. So yes, you need some space to breathe again. Hardest part will be keeping that feeling at the times he’s being okay, but it sounds like you got it covered. Just hang in there, keep reaching out any time you need.

CrazyHormoneLady · 05/01/2025 16:31

@Bittenonce thank you so much ❤️ honestly I'm blown away by yours and others support on here! This coming week is going to be very fast paced with boat buying, carefully packing and moving things out when my partner is asleep. I'm looking forward to this time next week when I'm on the other side of the chaos!

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CrazyHormoneLady · 06/01/2025 08:49

Morning everyone. Back to work today - I just e-mailed HR and my line manager to let them know what's going on. The marina don't open until 9am so I can't call to book a viewing until then. A bit complicated as my partner is around today so I need to find a moment where he's not on the boat in order to call them, hopefully at lunch! Really hoping I can see the boats tomorrow morning..! Ideally I'll have purchased one before Friday so I can start moving things onto there whilst he's in bed.

I really struggled to sleep last night thanks to the anxiety of it all, my heart was pounding and I could feel my blood pressure was right up. I think I'll be better tonight when my partner is at work, I don't like deception and living around him with this knowledge that I'm going is incredibly stressful. Really looking forward to next week when hopefully the anxiety will subside!

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TurtleCavalryIsSeriousShit · 06/01/2025 12:25

Just regarding your sentence about deception; he has not given you a second's thought before he was deceiving you, hiding the alcohol and lying.

Please let go of that guilt. You have no choice but to keep this quiet while you sort yourself out.

You are doing really well and you are doing the right thing. Good luck!

CrazyHormoneLady · 06/01/2025 13:31

Thanks @TurtleCavalryIsSeriousShit it's hard to think that way when you do your best to be a good person! It's hard to fathom how some people can be happy with deception when it means they get what they want. I can't live with the guilt! Unfortunately my partner has done some exceptional stuff to show me how little he respects me over the years, I wish I'd had better self esteem when I met him 😞 I definitely have a short memory when things go well. It's one reason this thread is helpful because it brings everything back. It's also quite telling how keen and supportive my family have been for me to go...! Shame they're all a few hours away.

One very minor spanner in the works is that I can't view boats until Weds as my work calendar is full tomorrow morning (I've blocked Weds out now though!). My plan was to view tomorrow, sleep on it and start the purchase procedure on Weds. I've done lots of research and deliberating over these two boats now though, so I don't think it's a "rushed decision" per se - the major spanner would be if anything were actually wrong with them or their engines. But it's good there are two on my shortlist so I have a backup I'm happy with! So hopefully we can complete the sale on Wednesday there and then...!

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TurtleCavalryIsSeriousShit · 07/01/2025 06:49

You will get there @CrazyHormoneLady. Let go of the guilt. You are a good person, no matter what happens or what you have to do to get out of this situation.

Really hope the boat search goes well Flowers

AlertCat · 07/01/2025 18:35

Good luck tomorrow @CrazyHormoneLady ! I hope one of them speaks to you and you have a trouble-free purchase and move.

CrazyHormoneLady · 07/01/2025 20:44

Thanks @AlertCat, I'm sort of looking forward to it but I just got a text from my partner that says "Just asking, are you pissed off with me, because I'm getting a very stand off vibe from you and it's upsetting.
Xxx"

I don't know what to say. Was thinking of saying I've got a lot on my mind, tired and yes pissed off...?!

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AlertCat · 07/01/2025 21:36

Is he out at work? Is it a conversation to have by text, I sometimes think it can give space and time for consideration of the points being made but equally there is room for misconstrual…

and also is there space here now for a conversation, or is it pointless? I might be inclined to brush it off as tiredness or January blues. But you know him and the situation. I’m sorry!

RandomMess · 07/01/2025 22:02

You could just reply

I know you are drinking and hiding it. It's not what I want for DD.

It's not long until you end it anyway.

H112 · 08/01/2025 00:59

It doesn't matter that he isn't drinking daily. He is an alcoholic. You should not be around him and he should in rehab.

He could be drinking in work, in the shed..

Please get out of this relationship you are unfortunately only making his addiction worse by enabling him xx

Lighteningstrikes · 08/01/2025 08:21

Apart from his drinking, I don’t understand how he or anyone for that matter can turn against their own 3 year old DD like that. He seems very ‘unaware’ of his actions and the consequences on her.

Good luck for today 🍀💐

Shetlands · 08/01/2025 10:20

Thinking of you today and sending all good wishes for a successful boat purchase. xx

CrazyHormoneLady · 08/01/2025 11:52

Hi everyone - thanks! I replied to him last night. Sorry for logging off, I ignored my phone after I texted him and did some breathing exercises and meditation to try to help me sleep, which worked!

"Honestly, I don't think this is a conversation to have over text and not one I really want before bed. I'm so utterly exhausted right now, it's unbelievable. To be honest, I don't know what I'm feeling but it isn't good, happy or anything positive, and I'm trying to push it to the back of my mind as much as I can to keep grinding on. I'd like to talk to you about all this properly on Saturday really."

I viewed the boats - the one I really want was a bit shabbier inside than I was hoping, but it's nice with little sign of damp - some water ingress in places which will be an easy enough fix. I've asked for £5k off the asking price for a quick sale. However, the broker needs to check in with the owner to see what he thinks of my offer and then I need to have a test drive so I'm unlikely to have the boat by Friday. I'm staying at my childminders Saturday night and have booked me and DD in at a nice hotel close to the childminders for Sunday, at a very good rate which is nice!

One thing that really helped me last night was the al-anon "Courage to Change" book, some really good reflections in there for yesterday's date about meditation, reflection and giving yourself 30 mins to do that in the midst of turmoil. I also read one random page about courage - so that's the word I keep repeating to myself when things feel wobbly🦁

Thank you again all for your support. It's so good to have a place to dump my rambling thoughts into! I might attend my Al-Anon zoom on Thursday if DD gets to sleep on time 🤞🏻 I still haven't managed to!

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AlertCat · 08/01/2025 12:36

Captain Tolley’s Creeping Crack (yes, it’s real 😂) is your friend for small leaks. Good luck with boat and with partner (and sorry if this is telling you something you already know)!

Bittenonce · 08/01/2025 12:55

@AlertCat please tell me what shop I can go to say 'I'm looking for Captain Tolley's Creeping Crack' without being arrested 😂

AlertCat · 08/01/2025 14:51

Bittenonce · 08/01/2025 12:55

@AlertCat please tell me what shop I can go to say 'I'm looking for Captain Tolley's Creeping Crack' without being arrested 😂

Chandleries are your best bet 😂

or here: https://captaintolleyshop.com/products/captain-tolleys-250ml-8-fl-oz

CrazyHormoneLady · 08/01/2025 16:44

@AlertCat I've never heard of it, but love the name 😂 Looks like the main leaks are because the cratch cover has shrunk and water is coming in through some areas. I could tell from the photos that it needed a new cratch cover anyway, so that wasn't a surprise. There's also a leak around one window so I think maybe temporarily some silicone sealant as I'm hoping to pull her out next year and get a full repaint whilst she gets blacked. I've even thought of a nice little design for the picture that goes with the name. The name of the boat is associated with a 'final push' before settling down, so very apt ❤

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