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11 Day Silent Treatment Followed by a Return: Advice Wanted

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Hummingbird22 · 03/12/2024 22:25

Hi everyone, I would really like your input on a situation, but first here’s some context. I’ve been with someone exclusively (he’s almost 40) for about a year and a half. He said that he really wants a serious relationship and to be with one woman forever, but that EVERY woman he was with cheated on him and left him. For the past few months I’ve noticed a big change - he has been cold, distant, less communicative and extremely secretive. He stopped asking to see me altogether. Prior to this in the summer, his only idea of a “date” was that I drive to him to sit in his house or play tag along to something he already made plans to do without me rather than plan something together.

Any time an issue arises, he falls into a silent treatment which can last for days and will not contact me or initiate any repairs. It always has to be me to initiate repairs. It started getting so toxic that he’s tried to break up with me 3 times during minor arguments when I tried to hold him accountable for things and has been extremely rude. He has denied he’s giving the silent treatment and said he’s just not talking because he “thought we agreed it’s not working” or he “doesn’t want to bother me if I don’t want to talk to him” or accuses me of not being interested in him. This is gaslighting as none of those things were ever said. He also says I’m just “trying to argue” when I bring up an issue to try to resolve something that has happened or that bothers me. He never apologized for anything once.

Lately, he was constantly making plans with male friends but constantly blamed me as to why we don’t see each other when he never asks and is always unavailable. He planned an entire trip for one week overseas behind my back and did not tell me until less than one week before. While he was on the trip, he was online often and did not contact me once. He didn’t want to tell me who he went with (presumably a friend again) or what he even did on the trip. The secrets got so ridiculous that he didn’t even want to tell me he went to a concert when he got home. He’s been making plans without me and keeping me completely in the dark about EVERYTHING. I honestly feel like he’s been living an entire secret life.

I confronted him about the constant secretive behaviour and me being left in the dark about pretty much everything and he completely ignored me/did not respond, withdrew himself and did not contact me at all for 11 days - full on silent treatment. I considered the relationship to be over because he disappeared with no contact. In this time, he’s been non-stop hanging out with his married buddies making videos of themselves and planning for their musical show (which he also didn’t want to tell me about or invite me to). I did not chase him or message him during this silent treatment as enough is enough of the bs. On day 12 it was my birthday and he sent me a message early in the morning wishing me a happy birthday like nothing happened and he didn’t apologize for giving an almost 2 week silent treatment/ghosting me. He has not said anything since.

My question is, should I write him a message to say it’s over, or just don’t contact him ever again and go no contact? I don’t know if anyone has seen something like this before but it’s not normal behaviour to me.

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GoodLaudanum · 04/12/2024 07:41

There's something wrong with him in the head.

Block.

You deserve a regular, friendly, caring relationship.

He can't ever be part of such a relationship as he's got something hugely missing.

Hope you're ok - it's very upsetting when someone behaves like this. Take care of yourself Flowers

Flipslop · 04/12/2024 07:57

Glad to see you’re in therapy as I think the most concerning thing in all of this is why you let someone treat you like that for so long! You seem to have full awareness of what gaslighting is and that his behaviour was out of order but continued to keep going back. Sounds like you need to work with your therapist on why you don’t have the self worth to put healthier boundaries in place (most likely stems from childhood experience) and why the attention of someone who treated you so poorly trumped opting out at any point and being on your own. If you don’t address these things you might see the same patterns appear in many / all of your relationships romantic or not. I can see that you have him all figured out now and rightly take some pride in that but you really should dig deep in to what has been going on for you in the past 18 months. He will have gotten under your skin so projecting outward anger at his behaviour will only get you so far, you won’t have learnt a great deal if you don’t unpick your part in facilitating it. Good luck and be kind to yourself x

Gillettethebest · 04/12/2024 08:03

Hummingbird22 · 04/12/2024 00:22

This is EXACTLY what I was thinking - every woman cheating was far fetched. I didn’t believe the pity plays one bit. There he was saying how all the women left him and then he tried to dump me three times for no reason! I was either going with he was cheating, or he was the one dumping all these women because he was emotionally dysregulated and childish so he had to spin the story and play the victim because as you saw from my original post - it is never his fault. He could never take accountability for anything. Judging by all the stupid things he kept a secret, I can only imagine what else he was keeping a secret.

The therapist also said that exact same thing as well - that he messaged me to try to keep one foot in the door. Yuck. As if anyone wants a selfish man child to return. He must think very highly of himself.

OP, next time you know deep down a man is spinning you a lie, please don’t ignore it ! Be on alert, call it out, or preferably just leave.

I’ve been there before and it’s understandable why we overlook some things as we like others aspects of a man, but really it only emboldens men like this to lie more as they’ll now believe they can pull the wool over your eyes and see you as the perfect victim to manipulate.

I once met someone online that was highly manipulative. When I called BS on his stories about ex-wife and last girlfriend and then also declined his first date invite, he didn’t like that at all . He was fuming I wasn’t falling for his lies or him, and blocked me the next day after I gave a curt reply to his last BS text.

He clearly knew I was not going to be his next victim and that I’d lost interest so he ran. And that’s what you want - to repel the bad ones! Men like this depend on choosing the “right” women who they feel they can manipulate.

PS. Your therapist sounds great and very straight talking!

Deathraystare · 04/12/2024 08:14

Give this moron the silent treatment back. Block and move on!

Every woman has cheated on him indeed - sounds a bit like "my ex is crazy"

Slimmster · 04/12/2024 08:19

You owe him nothing, he’s not a man worth having.
Don’t even trouble yourself to let him know. Just block him on all media’s and let him add you to his fictitious list of women who’ve cheated on him and left.

He’s an arsehole. You deserve better.

RedVelvetIcing · 04/12/2024 09:01

I haven’t read your full post but being ignored for 11 days is enough for me to say block him and forget he existed and don’t let him come back from this.
I suspect he is the cheater not his exes.

RedVelvetIcing · 04/12/2024 09:02

I think he really dumped you back in the summer. Why have you chased someone that doesn’t want you for the best part of half a year?

RedVelvetIcing · 04/12/2024 09:05

Hummingbird22 · 03/12/2024 23:00

Yet another thing he failed to tell me.

I actually think he made it very clear to you but you’ve ignored it and put it down to gaslighting. He’s told you that it wasn’t working.

TwistedWonder · 04/12/2024 09:12

Hummingbird22 · 04/12/2024 00:36

The same thing was happening to me - if I brought up anything that bothered me he would invalidate me, try to say it wasn’t that bad, or gaslight me into thinking whatever happened was my fault. Eventually then he slipped into silent treatments because he could never be wrong and wanted to silence me. You should always be able to talk about something that bothers you and not sweep it under the rug - it’s unhealthy to keep carpet sweeping.

Another one of his last minute secrets was when he went to his best friend’s wedding alone and didn’t invite me and told me he was going only the day before. When I mentioned that it was odd - he tried to blame me for why I wasn’t invited and said that I should have been trying to get to know HIS friends (that’s not my responsibility). Like was I supposed to show up at their door and say please sir get to know me? Basically, the common theme was everything was my fault somehow.

I dated a guy who told me I wasn’t invited to his friends wedding and berated me saying it was my own fault for being (his words) rude and unsociable and that this couple don’t like me.
I ended it shortly afterwards because I had enough of his lying, gaslighting and never being in the wrong.

Then earlier this year I crossed paths with the couple who were really lovely and friendly. They told me they had invited me to the wedding and he’d told them I couldn’t make it then arrived with his ex as his plus 1 - I laugh about it now because I saw through him and nothing surprises me any more but that’s the lengths of lying these gaslighting tossers go to.

Lighteningstrikes · 04/12/2024 09:19

The proof is in the pudding, not words.
As soon as anyone treats you so disrespectfully cut them off.

JFDIYOLO · 04/12/2024 10:24

After each silence/row and re-approach - are you so relieved that he's talking to you that he gets sex? Just a thought.

SwordToFlamethrower · 04/12/2024 10:36

Absolutely just block and delete the guy. You don't owe him anything at all.

Save yourself the hassle!

Mmhmmn · 04/12/2024 14:03

Looks like he was trying to play the victim to show he was such a nice guy who was so hard done by women

Totally. And saying to someone that they would never leave them and it would have to be the other person break it off is so totally deranged as well. It shows he doesn't understand what a relationship is. He just wants to attach himself like a limpet to someone because he doesn't like himself and can't be on his own. If he wasn't the controlling one, he could seriously open himself up to a really abusive relationship with that mindset (suspect he observed and suffered from one while growing up). I wish I believed men like this are rare but I've met several and the difficulty of detaching yourself from them is no joke. So well done for getting out.

GoodLaudanum · 04/12/2024 14:07

I get the feeling that even if you block him and don't see him for 3 months and get yourself a date - he'll go round saying you've starting cheating on him.

All his ex's probably just thought 'sod this for a game of cards' after a week of being ignored and got themselves new fella's 😆

He's a prize prat. Don't waste any more thoughts on him.

Hummingbird22 · 04/12/2024 14:24

DreadPirateRobots · 04/12/2024 07:30

He's an abusive, manipulative shit. Block and delete.

I'm going to point out the obvious, and I don't know why no one else has: the idea that all his previous partners cheated on him is an obvious lie. It's just something he told you, firstly as a headfuck so you would be compelled to "prove to him" that you are "different" and thus put up with more of his shit, secondly because he's the kind of misogynist who thinks any woman who leaves is cheating because no woman would leave for a reason other than dick.

I agree 100%! I would just like to add that his stories of everyone cheating and leaving him didn’t add up because he still had one of his ex’s on his Facebook page and she would sometimes comment on things although she moved on and now has kids with another man. If she was so bad and he was so hurt I’m sure he would have removed her.

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Hummingbird22 · 04/12/2024 14:56

TwistedWonder · 04/12/2024 09:12

I dated a guy who told me I wasn’t invited to his friends wedding and berated me saying it was my own fault for being (his words) rude and unsociable and that this couple don’t like me.
I ended it shortly afterwards because I had enough of his lying, gaslighting and never being in the wrong.

Then earlier this year I crossed paths with the couple who were really lovely and friendly. They told me they had invited me to the wedding and he’d told them I couldn’t make it then arrived with his ex as his plus 1 - I laugh about it now because I saw through him and nothing surprises me any more but that’s the lengths of lying these gaslighting tossers go to.

Edited

Wow! He was basically saying similar things to me! This was his best friend’s wedding who he goes on vacations with and concerts and sees every week! He claimed he wasn’t given a +1 to the wedding which I did not believe and then he tried to back his friend by saying it was a small wedding and if I was invited then they wouldn’t be able to invite important people and then slipped into blaming me and being rude as to why I wasn’t invited. It was here that I started seeing that something didn’t seem right.

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Hummingbird22 · 04/12/2024 14:58

GoodLaudanum · 04/12/2024 14:07

I get the feeling that even if you block him and don't see him for 3 months and get yourself a date - he'll go round saying you've starting cheating on him.

All his ex's probably just thought 'sod this for a game of cards' after a week of being ignored and got themselves new fella's 😆

He's a prize prat. Don't waste any more thoughts on him.

My thoughts exactly! He probably slipped into long silent treatments and didn’t contact them after arguments so they assumed it was over (as you can see I did in my original post) and then started dating someone else! It would be hard to believe he treated them any better!

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Hummingbird22 · 04/12/2024 15:03

RedVelvetIcing · 04/12/2024 09:02

I think he really dumped you back in the summer. Why have you chased someone that doesn’t want you for the best part of half a year?

The summer was an odd time where he would either: ONLY say that I should go over to his place to see him (which is not a date that’s a booty call) or he would make his own plans ahead of time to do guy things HE likes without considering me in the plan and then after the fact asked me to play tag along to things a lot of women would not be interested in and I wasn’t interested in going to. It was rather selfish.

I didn't consider either of these to be dates.

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Irridescantshimmmer · 04/12/2024 15:03

Yeah OP, you are right it seems like it is over and he lost the balls to end it amicably himbself.

The silent treatment is a fsign if immaturity and lack of communication skills on his part.

Hummingbird22 · 04/12/2024 15:20

Gillettethebest · 04/12/2024 07:31

Yeah it’s a common pattern in men like this. They prefer a surface level relationship that serves their needs and don’t really want to do the work to hear their partner out and reflect on their actions when there are issues. It shows a very fragile ego when they can’t deal with any level of perceived criticism. People like that are exhausting and selfish and often lacking in empathy.

It’s very telling that he clearly didn’t want you going to his best friends wedding when he probably had a plus one - or could’ve had if he asked for one. He told you last minute so you couldn’t have asked if you could go.

He is (most likely) a cheat with a victim mentality which is a toxic combination. He will tell himself and the next woman that you were the one who abandoned him and take zero accountability.

Let him know he does not have access to you anymore by breaking it off with him via text then blocking him on everything. Be very blunt and matter of fact about it.

Make sure you learn and heal from this so maybe next time you’re able to either avoid men like this early on or at least walk away quicker when you experience manipulation and disrespect.

I wholeheartedly agree. He did not have a capacity for self-reflection, accountability, or empathy. Everything was fine up until I ever tried to bring anything up that bothered me. He even told me that I had no right to bring anything up about him not seeing me because (to paraphrase) if I had wanted to see him I would have spent so much time with him somehow in the summer by only going over to his place like a cheap booty call or playing tag along to events that he already planned to go to without consulting me first and that he went to regardless of me not wanting to go to them. Dates should be planned WITH your partner.

If I brought anything up he said I was just arguing and that he didn’t want to have the same argument over again, despite the fact nothing was resolved from the first time the issue was discussed due to him giving me a word salad or the silent treatment. He wanted a fair weather friend but relationships sometimes have conflict which he didn’t want to deal with at all.

I think he probably had a +1 and didn’t want me at the best friend’s wedding as well. His defensiveness about it was a serious red flag. I wrote about this in a post just a few seconds ago above - something was fishy!

To be tossing me aside, I feel like maybe he met someone and started dating them behind my back. I had actually confronted him about that but he denied it. I think he will definitely tell the next woman I cheated and abandoned him when I did nothing other than try to work on things.

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Hummingbird22 · 04/12/2024 15:29

Irridescantshimmmer · 04/12/2024 15:03

Yeah OP, you are right it seems like it is over and he lost the balls to end it amicably himbself.

The silent treatment is a fsign if immaturity and lack of communication skills on his part.

I took his silent treatment as a sign it was over and he’s an emotionally immature man child. I did not expect a return. The thing that was even more odd to me is that he has the audacity to contact me for my birthday on day 12. Like what the heck was that? If you want to go because I’m so bad you have the door, stop being a troll and looking for attention on someone else’s birthday.

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Hummingbird22 · 04/12/2024 15:37

CagneyNYPD1 · 04/12/2024 07:36

Sounds a bit like by dd and her newly ex boyfriend. Except they are both 14, not 40.

This grown man operates like a teenager. Mates are the centre of his world, out for a good time, no empathy for others, blame others for problems.

I once read that about 20% of the adult population never emotionally mature beyond the age of 20. They spend their whole lives stunted at the late teen development stage. I suspect you found one of the 20%.

His obsession with his mates was TOO MUCH. I get that he wants to have friends and nobody said he can’t, but once you are in a relationship, your partner should be your priority. Based on his actions, his top priority was being with his married mates - vacationing with them and doing other activities. While he was giving me the silent treatment he was with them non-stop making weird videos of them sampling foods, hanging up posters and trying to pretend they are famous. He was behaving like a teen and not a man of almost 40.

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WhatUSeeIsWhatUGet · 04/12/2024 15:58

Block, bin and move on.

Sassybooklover · 04/12/2024 16:09

I think it's plainly obvious that he's lost interest. He's a coward for not just being honest and saying 'this is not working for me, we need to end our relationship'. He's making plans without you, going away without you, being secretive and giving you the silent treatment. This relationship is over. I wouldn't be contacting him, to be honest. He's not worth the bother, time or energy.

SpryCat · 04/12/2024 16:34

It’s all a game to him, he gave you crumbs, made out women treat him badly and that he’s after the love of a good woman, pushes you away, ignores you but made sure you could see pics on social media of him having fun and then would get off on you still wanting his attention. If you don’t get in touch in his 11 days of ignoring you he has to get in touch to check you’re still interested and the cycle begins again. If he finds you don’t go running after him and you’re angry at his treatment he will act sad, tell you he was considering a future with you because of his strong feelings for you blah blah blah to get you hooked again and the cycle begins again. He probably has a collection of woman he can toy with when he is ignoring you/them or get rebuffed so he has a constant supply to feed his ego as in his eyes he is the dogs bollocks and women letting him treat them so badly but still hopeful confirms it for him.

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