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Husband is intense with his views and it overwhelms me. How to approach it?

92 replies

Kitstar90 · 26/10/2024 19:32

Married for few years. Didn’t really notice it at first, just thought we have different views and he’s just passionate

But over time it’s become something else. I can even predict what sort of response he will have.

Few examples out of many:

  • My MIL was discussing some article she read about how a man beat up his wife and it was disgusting. I agreed. My husband (as I’d predicted) comes out with but what about the times when women hit men? And I just thought this has NOTHING to do with the poor woman in question and there was no empathy for her
  • I told my husband that my friend just bought a house herself only and has achieved her life long dream. His response was if she’s planning on getting married why does she need a house? I said I don’t see the relevance. And he made it into a female vs male thing that women just want to buy a house for themselves to prove to men they can and to show off. I mean what the hell? How did it become a gender thing?
  • We were watching some show and this contestant (POC) was coming across as aggressive and that’s what people on the show were saying. My husband made it into a race thing saying they calling him aggressive because he is POC. But thing is even as a POC myself, I felt the contestant was quite aggressive too. I failed to see where his race came into it?
  • I get on well with my colleagues and most of them are men. My husband tells my colleagues must make sexual remarks as he’s heard when other men say behind a woman’s back. I’m like I don’t know what they say behind my back but they’ve always come across as respectful in the 5 years I’ve worked with them. But he is adamant and claims ALL men talk like that. I said but you can’t speak for other men. He tells me because he’s a man and has male friends he knows. But I said that doesn’t give him the right to speak on behalf of all men and I refuse to believe every man looks at females sexually.
  • I was telling him how my female colleague made an error at work but that’s because she’s used to people helping her and this time she had to do it alone. And some how he made it into a man/woman thing saying men are fickle they must fancy her and always do her work for her. And I’m thinking where did you pluck this idea from? I explained no that’s not the case as she asks me for help and usually she asks for help, no one goes out their way to help her unless she asks.

But there’s one thing having this views, but I find that he gets frustrated when I don’t share his views. When I tell him I disagree and explain why. He interrogates me non- stop. To the point I get overwhelmed. Sometimes it leads to arguments and sometimes it’s just when I cave in and don’t further share my views.

I wouldn’t mind him asking for sake of learning or helping me see a different view but he’s so rude with it. I also find he’s a hypocrite with it.
For instance if he shares statistics to prove his point, it is fine. But if I share statistics or other things to back my point, he will tell me the stats are manipulated and starts questioning its methodology. Don’t get me wrong, it’s great to question sources but he needs to have the same energy when he’s quoting me things too.

And I hate how he invalidates my experiences such as men don’t really respect you, they’re just being nice coz they fancy you. I mean I don’t consider myself super attractive that every man fancies me and that’s the only reason they are civil to me. I mean some guys I worked with for so long and I’ve never felt disrespected or sexualised by them. Some of these men are in relationships and openly talk about how much they adore their SO.

Or he invalidates my experiences when I say I had a pleasant childhood (I grew up in a majority white neighbourhood and I’m POC) and I always felt part of the neighbourhood/community. But he’s adamant that they didn’t really like me due to my race and I must have been oblivious.

What is frustrating is that he gets so aggressive with it. Few times I’ve told him this but he gets worse by saying oh can’t even say anything without you getting sensitive and am I as aggressive as your dad? (This is deep because my dad used to hit my mum and I don’t understand why he would bring this up).

I’m just tired as it feels like anything that I say will be weaponised against me. I kind of want to walk away but I don’t know if that’s an OR? As another part of still remembers the good times and positives. I mean am I missing something and coming across as defensive hence why he’s being super intense with his views or are my gut instincts right?
How do I approach it?

OP posts:
violentovulation · 26/10/2024 19:35

Sorry OP, I wouldn't be staying with a man like that. His views are terrible. I'd be off.

DowntonCrabby · 26/10/2024 19:36

Jesus, I’d approach it with a very swift divorce.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 26/10/2024 19:37

Oh god he sounds tedious. I don't know how you can be around him.

bestbehaveyou · 26/10/2024 19:37

bloody hell

you have collated quite a list there OP

beholdmylastfuckflyingaway · 26/10/2024 19:37

You need to leave him. He is a complete turd and it will never get better.

bestbehaveyou · 26/10/2024 19:37

please say no children?

Kitstar90 · 26/10/2024 19:39

bestbehaveyou · 26/10/2024 19:37

please say no children?

No children

OP posts:
TipsyJoker · 26/10/2024 19:40

Yeah he sounds like a misogynistic, racist, bully to me. I wouldn’t want to be married to a man like that.

NunyaBeeswax · 26/10/2024 19:40

Is there a book titled,
"SO.. You've Married A Cunt..."

There should be one. And it should have tips and advice on how to get the fuck away from arseholes.

I'd recommend it OP, if it exists and if it doesn't exist, write it after you've left your arsehole.

Pumpkinsandchutney · 26/10/2024 19:44

He belittles you constantly. Do you like him, let alone love him? He sounds like a racist misogynist bore who cant see that his DW might have a different opinion. I'd make plans to bin him as he'll only get worse as heages.

Fleaspray · 26/10/2024 19:46

He’s a walking red flag. Leave him and live a happy life.

EarthSight · 26/10/2024 19:46

You've made him out as 'intense' ....but is that word just a synonym for 'bad' for for you? Is this some kind of Gen Z speak or Americanism I'm aware of, or something that just exists amongst the upper English classes?

It seems to me like he's less intense, and more that he has views that you just don't find appealing, or even find offensive. I don't blame you. He just sounds like a chauvinist to me with a chip on his shoulder when it comes to women. I wonder if he listens to Andrew Tate.

BlueRaincoat1 · 26/10/2024 19:46

It sounds so stressful being with him.. what happens when he invalidates you - like about your pleasant childhood. Do you say things like 'well we'll have to agree to disagree on that, as I know what my experience was'. Will he carry on arguing?
You have so many examples it seems hard to believe he will change. He sounds like he doesn't respect you or your right to your own opinion. You deserve better than that.

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 26/10/2024 19:48

He does have different views to you - he views women and POC as inferior to him. He doesn’t like women, but will tolerate them for what they give him.

id end it asap. He won’t change and it will be very painful trying to raise kids with a man like this.

Kitstar90 · 26/10/2024 19:50

BlueRaincoat1 · 26/10/2024 19:46

It sounds so stressful being with him.. what happens when he invalidates you - like about your pleasant childhood. Do you say things like 'well we'll have to agree to disagree on that, as I know what my experience was'. Will he carry on arguing?
You have so many examples it seems hard to believe he will change. He sounds like he doesn't respect you or your right to your own opinion. You deserve better than that.

I have said but how can you speak for me as you weren’t there and I never felt uncomfortable or discriminated against. But then he’s adamant I must have been oblivious to the subtle signs. I did tell him that I don’t agree with his sentiments but then he starts talking about racial history etc etc and I’ll be honest, I kind of switch off

OP posts:
Craftycorvid · 26/10/2024 19:52

Browbeating you until you’re overwhelmed just because you disagree with him? That’s bullying and abusive behaviour. Implying you only get on with other men because they are attracted to you is insulting. Does he have redeeming features at all?

Renamed · 26/10/2024 19:53

Enough about him… you feel exhausted, frustrated, disrespected, and no wonder. How do you feel when you think about not having this in your life? You don’t have to prove any case to anyone, if you want to walk away, that’s your choice and it’s valid.

Screamingabdabz · 26/10/2024 20:14

He sounds like an arrogant misogynist cunt. Why are you giving his opinions any credence and feel that you’ve got to come back and debate in some way? Don’t.

ComingBackHome · 26/10/2024 20:16

I get on well with my colleagues and most of them are men. My husband tells my colleagues must make sexual remarks as he’s heard when other men say behind a woman’s back. I’m like I don’t know what they say behind my back but they’ve always come across as respectful in the 5 years I’ve worked with them. But he is adamant and claims ALL men talk like that.

This one is the one that is standing out for me.
Because my first reaction was to think ‘oh this is how he thinks then… Men always looking at women as sexual objects and nothing else. Must be how he is when I’m not around’

He REALLY isn’t a nice man. He

  • doesn’t listen to you
  • doesnt respect your views or experiences
  • always has to right. If he is told he isn’t, he is getting aggressive.
  • always has to find a way to make point ‘above everyone else’ even if it means talking about something else/another subject
  • he is deeply sexist
No wonder you are finding it hard!
Livelovebehappy · 26/10/2024 20:17

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 26/10/2024 19:48

He does have different views to you - he views women and POC as inferior to him. He doesn’t like women, but will tolerate them for what they give him.

id end it asap. He won’t change and it will be very painful trying to raise kids with a man like this.

Re-read the POC bit again. OP is actually saying her DH agrees that people saying POC is agressive are wrong and they are only saying it because the person is POC. In your rush to condemn him of being a racist, you have totally mis interpreted OPs post.

HereForTheFreeLunch · 26/10/2024 20:19

he is adamant and claims ALL men talk like that. I said but you can’t speak for other men. He tells me because he’s a man and has male friends he knows

The only thing this tells you is that HE is like that. Whether all men are or are not is neither here nor there.

Hatty65 · 26/10/2024 20:24

he is adamant and claims ALL men talk like that. I said but you can’t speak for other men. He tells me because he’s a man and has male friends he knows

Well, that's probably true. He's a misogynistic prick. And presumably his male friends share his disgusting views.

My DH doesn't talk like that. Neither do my father, my brothers or any of our male friends. Or male colleagues.

Only wankers come out with shit like this. And yes, there are many of them about. It doesn't make them right.

blueshoes · 26/10/2024 20:34

It is disappointing to read that you are married to him. This is not a person I would have ever considered marrying. Did he not have these views when you were dating?

Given that you cannot turn back time, please don't have children with him. Leave him if you can and make a better life for yourself.

mildlydispeptic · 26/10/2024 20:35

Oof, he's really showing who he is now, OP. You're definitely not overreacting. And he's very unlikely to improve with time. You sound much, much too good for him.