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Husband is intense with his views and it overwhelms me. How to approach it?

92 replies

Kitstar90 · 26/10/2024 19:32

Married for few years. Didn’t really notice it at first, just thought we have different views and he’s just passionate

But over time it’s become something else. I can even predict what sort of response he will have.

Few examples out of many:

  • My MIL was discussing some article she read about how a man beat up his wife and it was disgusting. I agreed. My husband (as I’d predicted) comes out with but what about the times when women hit men? And I just thought this has NOTHING to do with the poor woman in question and there was no empathy for her
  • I told my husband that my friend just bought a house herself only and has achieved her life long dream. His response was if she’s planning on getting married why does she need a house? I said I don’t see the relevance. And he made it into a female vs male thing that women just want to buy a house for themselves to prove to men they can and to show off. I mean what the hell? How did it become a gender thing?
  • We were watching some show and this contestant (POC) was coming across as aggressive and that’s what people on the show were saying. My husband made it into a race thing saying they calling him aggressive because he is POC. But thing is even as a POC myself, I felt the contestant was quite aggressive too. I failed to see where his race came into it?
  • I get on well with my colleagues and most of them are men. My husband tells my colleagues must make sexual remarks as he’s heard when other men say behind a woman’s back. I’m like I don’t know what they say behind my back but they’ve always come across as respectful in the 5 years I’ve worked with them. But he is adamant and claims ALL men talk like that. I said but you can’t speak for other men. He tells me because he’s a man and has male friends he knows. But I said that doesn’t give him the right to speak on behalf of all men and I refuse to believe every man looks at females sexually.
  • I was telling him how my female colleague made an error at work but that’s because she’s used to people helping her and this time she had to do it alone. And some how he made it into a man/woman thing saying men are fickle they must fancy her and always do her work for her. And I’m thinking where did you pluck this idea from? I explained no that’s not the case as she asks me for help and usually she asks for help, no one goes out their way to help her unless she asks.

But there’s one thing having this views, but I find that he gets frustrated when I don’t share his views. When I tell him I disagree and explain why. He interrogates me non- stop. To the point I get overwhelmed. Sometimes it leads to arguments and sometimes it’s just when I cave in and don’t further share my views.

I wouldn’t mind him asking for sake of learning or helping me see a different view but he’s so rude with it. I also find he’s a hypocrite with it.
For instance if he shares statistics to prove his point, it is fine. But if I share statistics or other things to back my point, he will tell me the stats are manipulated and starts questioning its methodology. Don’t get me wrong, it’s great to question sources but he needs to have the same energy when he’s quoting me things too.

And I hate how he invalidates my experiences such as men don’t really respect you, they’re just being nice coz they fancy you. I mean I don’t consider myself super attractive that every man fancies me and that’s the only reason they are civil to me. I mean some guys I worked with for so long and I’ve never felt disrespected or sexualised by them. Some of these men are in relationships and openly talk about how much they adore their SO.

Or he invalidates my experiences when I say I had a pleasant childhood (I grew up in a majority white neighbourhood and I’m POC) and I always felt part of the neighbourhood/community. But he’s adamant that they didn’t really like me due to my race and I must have been oblivious.

What is frustrating is that he gets so aggressive with it. Few times I’ve told him this but he gets worse by saying oh can’t even say anything without you getting sensitive and am I as aggressive as your dad? (This is deep because my dad used to hit my mum and I don’t understand why he would bring this up).

I’m just tired as it feels like anything that I say will be weaponised against me. I kind of want to walk away but I don’t know if that’s an OR? As another part of still remembers the good times and positives. I mean am I missing something and coming across as defensive hence why he’s being super intense with his views or are my gut instincts right?
How do I approach it?

OP posts:
Homebird8 · 26/10/2024 22:39

Kitstar90 · 26/10/2024 22:06

To add
we are both POC

In that case OP I take back my comment above with a huge apology for jumping to conclusions.

"Deep down he feels that POC are aggressive because he was the one who made the link between POC and aggression as the 'reason' for the accusation. Does he use this narrative to avoid you being able to discuss his views. Are you 'always' confrontational (aggressive) in his eyes?"

He is still personalising the impression that others think all POC are aggressive and applying it to every situation whether or not it is true. It seems he thinks that true for him is a common truth whether that is the likelihood of men to view women only sexually, or women's inferiority, or that all non-POC see all POC as aggressive.

This black and white, and wholesale thinking is not something you can change. Knowing that he thinks these things, and is unlikely to see it or seek help and change things for himself, can you really see a future together that is even acceptable for you?

housemaus · 26/10/2024 22:42

ComingBackHome · 26/10/2024 20:16

I get on well with my colleagues and most of them are men. My husband tells my colleagues must make sexual remarks as he’s heard when other men say behind a woman’s back. I’m like I don’t know what they say behind my back but they’ve always come across as respectful in the 5 years I’ve worked with them. But he is adamant and claims ALL men talk like that.

This one is the one that is standing out for me.
Because my first reaction was to think ‘oh this is how he thinks then… Men always looking at women as sexual objects and nothing else. Must be how he is when I’m not around’

He REALLY isn’t a nice man. He

  • doesn’t listen to you
  • doesnt respect your views or experiences
  • always has to right. If he is told he isn’t, he is getting aggressive.
  • always has to find a way to make point ‘above everyone else’ even if it means talking about something else/another subject
  • he is deeply sexist
No wonder you are finding it hard!

This is as clear as it needs to be. OP he doesn't respect you, or women apparently. Sounds like a horror.

stormmclean · 26/10/2024 22:47

He's a bully and a bore, I couldn't spend my life living like that.

FFSWherearemyglasses · 26/10/2024 22:52

I was exhausted reading that … living with it must be soul destroying 😩
Not a chance I would put up with that day in day out.
Get away from this mood hoover for your own sanity

NeckolasCage · 26/10/2024 22:53

Kitstar90 · 26/10/2024 19:39

No children

THANK GOD!

Your instincts are right. Just stop this - he is a twat and you made a mistake. You don’t need to live that mistake for the rest of your life!

Go go go and don’t waste any more time!

healthybychristmas · 26/10/2024 22:57

Every day on here I'm amazed at what people put up with in a relationship.

Op, you are free to leave. The door is open. Make your escape while you can and don't look back.

MaidOfAle · 26/10/2024 22:59

There are some Black men who want to replace white patriarchy with Black patriarchy. Looks like you married one.

Divorce, stat.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 26/10/2024 23:02

What's the point of a relationship with a man who endlessly denies your experience?

RickiRaccoon · 26/10/2024 23:06

He sounds really needlessly antagonistic -- and misogynistic. Whether it's because he just likes to argue or he just wants the feeling of him being right and you being wrong, nobody wants to be around that.

It might not be you missed it earlier. It might be he didn't display the behaviour as much. People do often hide negative traits early in relationships and before marriage/ children because they know the other person can easily leave.

I would talk to him about his negativity and attacks on you but ultimately it sounds like this is just who he is. I'd think about getting out of the relationship before children.

And he's wrong. All men aren't like that. He and his friends are like that (and I had an ex BF like this but thankfully I dodged a bullet and we broke up). There are better men out there.

Noseybookworm · 26/10/2024 23:08

He sounds horrible 🙁 I would find his attitude towards women so abhorrent that I don't think I'd want to be around him at all.

I don't always agree with my DH but we can disagree respectfully and listen to each other's views. That's just basic respect for your partner.

Cuppasy · 26/10/2024 23:11

OP,
Thanks be to god you didn't inflict him on any poor children.

He is a dull, tedious arsehole.
The sort of twat that thinks his oppositional stance on every subject makes him interesting and controversial.

It really doesn't.
He's just a deeply boring arsehole that anyone with active grey matter avoids like the plague.

He will only get worse.

Leave asap.

MollyButton · 26/10/2024 23:14

Just to add you can be a POC and racist.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 26/10/2024 23:14

The only people who don't see aggression in an aggressive male are aggressive themselves, so they view it as perfectly reasonable behaviour.

The only people who say everybody talks about women like they're a piece of meat and are only interested in them if there's a chance of sex are the ones who see them as a piece of meat only worth interest if there's a chance of sex.

The only people who harangue their partners with statistics, by dismissing statistics that contradict their opinions and never, ever fucking shut up about how they are always right and everybody else is wrong and stupid (and probably female) are the people who need to be divorced pretty fucking sharpish.

Fuck that shit, OP. You know he's a twat and nobody else is going to criticise you for getting rid.

cherrysonata · 26/10/2024 23:16

He sounds bloody exhausting and a complete twat. I'd be gone.

Ambienteamber · 26/10/2024 23:16

LEAVE HIM.

He's deeply misogynistic. He doesn't respect you at all. He thinks those things about other men because that's how he is and what he would do.
He depends a man who is being aggressive and undermines a female domestic abuse victim because deep down he has sympathy for men who are violent and aggressive because he feels the inclination to be that way himself.

Please leave him. You are correct. Not all men are shit like him.

AgileGreenSeal · 26/10/2024 23:21

Kitstar90 · 26/10/2024 19:39

No children

Keep it that way, OP and please protect yourself from this behaviour. It sounds like he’s trying to undermine your confidence and wear you down mentally.

StarDolphins · 26/10/2024 23:23

So because he’s a misogynistic sleaze, he thinks all men are? If he’s saying ‘they all do it’ he’s telling you him & his mates are. He really doesn’t sound v respectful to or about you.

Startingagainandagain · 26/10/2024 23:27

Divorce him. You deserve better that this misogynist fool.

HulaNahula · 26/10/2024 23:27

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ThatsNotMyTeen · 26/10/2024 23:30

Fuck me what a prick

PinkBlouse · 26/10/2024 23:31

Fuck that shit, OP. Life’s too short to try to educate a fellow-adult out of multiple bigotries.

AgileGreenSeal · 26/10/2024 23:35

SlowPonies · 26/10/2024 22:18

Sympathy! Can you face a lifetime of this, OP, getting worse with age?

How old are you both? Do you hope to have children one day?

Is marriage therapy an option to at least tell him how you feel, moderated conversation so you can say your piece without him interrupting you?

“Is marriage therapy an option to at least tell him how you feel, moderated conversation so you can say your piece without him interrupting you?”

don’t do this to yourself, OP.

couples / marriage therapy does not work with this kind of abusive man.

He will turn it against you and leave you feeling more confused and upset than before, and probably have you jumping through hoops trying to ‘do your bit’ to save the marriage, while he continues to invalidate every word that comes out of your mouth.

PinkBlouse · 26/10/2024 23:37

AgileGreenSeal · 26/10/2024 23:35

“Is marriage therapy an option to at least tell him how you feel, moderated conversation so you can say your piece without him interrupting you?”

don’t do this to yourself, OP.

couples / marriage therapy does not work with this kind of abusive man.

He will turn it against you and leave you feeling more confused and upset than before, and probably have you jumping through hoops trying to ‘do your bit’ to save the marriage, while he continues to invalidate every word that comes out of your mouth.

Absolutely. No reputable couples counsellor would take you on as clients.

MooPeng · 26/10/2024 23:45

He sounds pathetic, and like he’ll never change. You’ll waste your life by staying with this loser.

OfficerChurlish · 26/10/2024 23:48

His views that you've shared here are extremely misogynistic. I suspect his methods of "keeping you in line" are, too. Do you think his world view has changed, or he has become more vocal about views he might have always held? If there's some kind of radicalisation going on, I can understand your impulse to want to "fix" things/go back to how things were, but it sounds like he's pretty entrenched (all his real-life friends feel the same way he does, he's comfortable saying it in front of his mother, etc.)

It MIGHT be possible to eliminate or limit his making blatantly sexist comments in front of you (by simply refusing to entertain them, making it uncomfortable for him to say horrible things to you or in your hearing), but I would be uncomfortable living with and being in a close relationship with someone I knew felt this way, even if I didn't have to hear it.