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Husband is intense with his views and it overwhelms me. How to approach it?

92 replies

Kitstar90 · 26/10/2024 19:32

Married for few years. Didn’t really notice it at first, just thought we have different views and he’s just passionate

But over time it’s become something else. I can even predict what sort of response he will have.

Few examples out of many:

  • My MIL was discussing some article she read about how a man beat up his wife and it was disgusting. I agreed. My husband (as I’d predicted) comes out with but what about the times when women hit men? And I just thought this has NOTHING to do with the poor woman in question and there was no empathy for her
  • I told my husband that my friend just bought a house herself only and has achieved her life long dream. His response was if she’s planning on getting married why does she need a house? I said I don’t see the relevance. And he made it into a female vs male thing that women just want to buy a house for themselves to prove to men they can and to show off. I mean what the hell? How did it become a gender thing?
  • We were watching some show and this contestant (POC) was coming across as aggressive and that’s what people on the show were saying. My husband made it into a race thing saying they calling him aggressive because he is POC. But thing is even as a POC myself, I felt the contestant was quite aggressive too. I failed to see where his race came into it?
  • I get on well with my colleagues and most of them are men. My husband tells my colleagues must make sexual remarks as he’s heard when other men say behind a woman’s back. I’m like I don’t know what they say behind my back but they’ve always come across as respectful in the 5 years I’ve worked with them. But he is adamant and claims ALL men talk like that. I said but you can’t speak for other men. He tells me because he’s a man and has male friends he knows. But I said that doesn’t give him the right to speak on behalf of all men and I refuse to believe every man looks at females sexually.
  • I was telling him how my female colleague made an error at work but that’s because she’s used to people helping her and this time she had to do it alone. And some how he made it into a man/woman thing saying men are fickle they must fancy her and always do her work for her. And I’m thinking where did you pluck this idea from? I explained no that’s not the case as she asks me for help and usually she asks for help, no one goes out their way to help her unless she asks.

But there’s one thing having this views, but I find that he gets frustrated when I don’t share his views. When I tell him I disagree and explain why. He interrogates me non- stop. To the point I get overwhelmed. Sometimes it leads to arguments and sometimes it’s just when I cave in and don’t further share my views.

I wouldn’t mind him asking for sake of learning or helping me see a different view but he’s so rude with it. I also find he’s a hypocrite with it.
For instance if he shares statistics to prove his point, it is fine. But if I share statistics or other things to back my point, he will tell me the stats are manipulated and starts questioning its methodology. Don’t get me wrong, it’s great to question sources but he needs to have the same energy when he’s quoting me things too.

And I hate how he invalidates my experiences such as men don’t really respect you, they’re just being nice coz they fancy you. I mean I don’t consider myself super attractive that every man fancies me and that’s the only reason they are civil to me. I mean some guys I worked with for so long and I’ve never felt disrespected or sexualised by them. Some of these men are in relationships and openly talk about how much they adore their SO.

Or he invalidates my experiences when I say I had a pleasant childhood (I grew up in a majority white neighbourhood and I’m POC) and I always felt part of the neighbourhood/community. But he’s adamant that they didn’t really like me due to my race and I must have been oblivious.

What is frustrating is that he gets so aggressive with it. Few times I’ve told him this but he gets worse by saying oh can’t even say anything without you getting sensitive and am I as aggressive as your dad? (This is deep because my dad used to hit my mum and I don’t understand why he would bring this up).

I’m just tired as it feels like anything that I say will be weaponised against me. I kind of want to walk away but I don’t know if that’s an OR? As another part of still remembers the good times and positives. I mean am I missing something and coming across as defensive hence why he’s being super intense with his views or are my gut instincts right?
How do I approach it?

OP posts:
JFDIYOLO · 27/10/2024 00:10

Misogynist
Racist
Boring
Bad tempered
Sneering
Dismissive
Disrespectful
Bully

Now.

And they tend to get worse, the older they get.

The Victor Meldrew grumpy old man is the reality for so many women...

... who chose to stay.

tellmesomethingtrue · 27/10/2024 01:12

Another man who hates women...

Owly11 · 27/10/2024 07:29

Fucking hell op, he sounds insufferable. He seems to mistake what is in his own mind with reality. Without some serious personality change this does not bode well and is borderline delusional. You should safely make an exit plan.

CottonbudQueen · 27/10/2024 07:48

I empathise wholeheartedly OP. I have one of these. Makes up realities in his head he knows absolutely nothing about, curses people all the time, hates women and thinks that I am disloyal for not sharing his unfounded opinions. Sad state of affairs. I now talk as little as possible to him as am fed up of being talked AT and never ever ever being listened to. So so boring.

Northernlightx · 27/10/2024 07:53

I’m sorry you’re going through this. For what it’s worth you come across as really lovely through your post, which adds to a feeling that you aren’t well matched. I was in a similar situation of feeling permanently disregulated and trapped because my life partner, the person I was meant to love most in the world, saw the world so differently from me.
I think we might be similar ages (if your username is an indication) and I went through the decision to split from my husband in the last year. I also have no children. It’s lonely to go through so if you ever want to chat please don’t hesitate to reach out.
In my situation we went for couples counselling so that everything could be aired and to try to resolve it. It only took a few sessions before it was fairly clear what the outcome was going to be. That might be helpful for you too xx

LeavesOnTrees · 27/10/2024 07:57

He sounds like the type of man who would argue the sky was green just because you said it was blue.
It all sounds so tiring and boring.
Thank goodness you don't have DC with him.
You deserve better.

justasking111 · 27/10/2024 08:04

Old men can get like this, self opinionated and unpleasant. But a young man, that's just awful . Is his father an older dad who's brainwashed this idiot.

blacksax · 27/10/2024 12:46

NeverDropYourMooncup · 26/10/2024 23:14

The only people who don't see aggression in an aggressive male are aggressive themselves, so they view it as perfectly reasonable behaviour.

The only people who say everybody talks about women like they're a piece of meat and are only interested in them if there's a chance of sex are the ones who see them as a piece of meat only worth interest if there's a chance of sex.

The only people who harangue their partners with statistics, by dismissing statistics that contradict their opinions and never, ever fucking shut up about how they are always right and everybody else is wrong and stupid (and probably female) are the people who need to be divorced pretty fucking sharpish.

Fuck that shit, OP. You know he's a twat and nobody else is going to criticise you for getting rid.

@Kitstar90 Read this brilliant post by @NeverDropYourMooncup who has absolutely hit the nail on the head.

It tells you everything you need to know.

cheezncrackers · 27/10/2024 12:52

Your 'D'H is an out and out misogynist. I don't think you can 'approach' it or change him, unless he wants to change, and it seems pretty clear that he doesn't and it just cause a huge argument if you brought it up.

I couldn't be with someone like that. Someone who thinks the views, feelings and experiences of women are worthless and who sees women as sexual objects. He's just vile OP. Sorry. I'd end the relationship.

RealHiker · 27/10/2024 13:06

Definitely sounds like a misogynist to me. This will only get worse over time. You're worth more. I know it must be hard but please do yourself a favour in the long run and LTB.

Starlight7080 · 27/10/2024 13:10

Does he read lots online? Follow Andrew tate and the likes? As sounds like the stuff they would come out with and the aggressive behaviour he displays

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 27/10/2024 13:15

I spent a few months of my life with a man with these views. Perfectly pleasant to start off with and then he started revealing his ‘views’ wrapped up in ‘all men think this way I’m just man enough to be honest. At least you know I’m not lying!’

  • of course I fantasise about shaggjng your sister and your attractive friends
  • of course racism is natural. It’s who we are as humans.
  • of course men are the dominant species.
  • of course religion is for idiots who need to be controlled.
  • of course you are quite a catch because you are attractive but once you turn 40 you will be a hump and dump like all older women.
  • of course it’s natural for men to want to shag girls once they turn 12/13 it’s nature.
He had two daughters and obviously his views did not extend to them. It was grinding and boring in the end. Luckily for me there were no ties. He was Mr Personality to the outside world, people thought he was so personable.
M0rven · 27/10/2024 13:29

This isn’t something you can “ approach him about” . It’s nothing something you can fix about him - it’s who he is. You can’t ask him to change his whole personality and world view - how would you feel if he asked to go change your whole belief system and to accept that he’s right and you are wrong?

You need to be able to love and accept him as he is. Or you need to leave him .

slippersandfleece · 28/10/2024 00:17

Urgh, has he become a secret disciple of Andrew Tate? Seriously? Don't settle for this OP.

abracadabra1980 · 28/10/2024 18:18

I used to be with a husband like this. We are now divorced. He just loved debating to the point of arguing and being unbearable. He just loved arguing. He was extremely academically intelligent but emotionally retarded. He wasn't a barrister, but perhaps should have been, then he could have earned insane money for arguing all day, every day, instead of earning vast amounts of money in another (more boring) field.
Life is SO much better with a partner who can disagree, respectfully. And is funny.

sprigatito · 28/10/2024 18:25

I'm afraid the diagnosis is grave, OP. You've married a bloviating shit-trumpet. My deepest sympathies.

You can either: 1) start making plans to split, or 2) start telling him to shut the fuck up more often, build your social life outside the marriage and buy some earplugs for emergencies.

I know which option I'd choose.

Somewhereinthefog · 24/08/2025 09:59

Just read this post and wondering if you left him or not? He sounds like my husband, who after 28 years of marriage and about ten years of emotional abuse since our DD was born, I learned that he has is a narcissist. I’m currently trying to get rid of him as we’re separated but he keeps trying to worm his way back in because I’m an empath and feel sorry for him too easily. I wish I’d known what a narcissist was years ago before my mental health became so damaged. Look up Dr Ramani and if you are still with him and realise he is a narcissist then leave him now before it’s too late.

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