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Husband is intense with his views and it overwhelms me. How to approach it?

92 replies

Kitstar90 · 26/10/2024 19:32

Married for few years. Didn’t really notice it at first, just thought we have different views and he’s just passionate

But over time it’s become something else. I can even predict what sort of response he will have.

Few examples out of many:

  • My MIL was discussing some article she read about how a man beat up his wife and it was disgusting. I agreed. My husband (as I’d predicted) comes out with but what about the times when women hit men? And I just thought this has NOTHING to do with the poor woman in question and there was no empathy for her
  • I told my husband that my friend just bought a house herself only and has achieved her life long dream. His response was if she’s planning on getting married why does she need a house? I said I don’t see the relevance. And he made it into a female vs male thing that women just want to buy a house for themselves to prove to men they can and to show off. I mean what the hell? How did it become a gender thing?
  • We were watching some show and this contestant (POC) was coming across as aggressive and that’s what people on the show were saying. My husband made it into a race thing saying they calling him aggressive because he is POC. But thing is even as a POC myself, I felt the contestant was quite aggressive too. I failed to see where his race came into it?
  • I get on well with my colleagues and most of them are men. My husband tells my colleagues must make sexual remarks as he’s heard when other men say behind a woman’s back. I’m like I don’t know what they say behind my back but they’ve always come across as respectful in the 5 years I’ve worked with them. But he is adamant and claims ALL men talk like that. I said but you can’t speak for other men. He tells me because he’s a man and has male friends he knows. But I said that doesn’t give him the right to speak on behalf of all men and I refuse to believe every man looks at females sexually.
  • I was telling him how my female colleague made an error at work but that’s because she’s used to people helping her and this time she had to do it alone. And some how he made it into a man/woman thing saying men are fickle they must fancy her and always do her work for her. And I’m thinking where did you pluck this idea from? I explained no that’s not the case as she asks me for help and usually she asks for help, no one goes out their way to help her unless she asks.

But there’s one thing having this views, but I find that he gets frustrated when I don’t share his views. When I tell him I disagree and explain why. He interrogates me non- stop. To the point I get overwhelmed. Sometimes it leads to arguments and sometimes it’s just when I cave in and don’t further share my views.

I wouldn’t mind him asking for sake of learning or helping me see a different view but he’s so rude with it. I also find he’s a hypocrite with it.
For instance if he shares statistics to prove his point, it is fine. But if I share statistics or other things to back my point, he will tell me the stats are manipulated and starts questioning its methodology. Don’t get me wrong, it’s great to question sources but he needs to have the same energy when he’s quoting me things too.

And I hate how he invalidates my experiences such as men don’t really respect you, they’re just being nice coz they fancy you. I mean I don’t consider myself super attractive that every man fancies me and that’s the only reason they are civil to me. I mean some guys I worked with for so long and I’ve never felt disrespected or sexualised by them. Some of these men are in relationships and openly talk about how much they adore their SO.

Or he invalidates my experiences when I say I had a pleasant childhood (I grew up in a majority white neighbourhood and I’m POC) and I always felt part of the neighbourhood/community. But he’s adamant that they didn’t really like me due to my race and I must have been oblivious.

What is frustrating is that he gets so aggressive with it. Few times I’ve told him this but he gets worse by saying oh can’t even say anything without you getting sensitive and am I as aggressive as your dad? (This is deep because my dad used to hit my mum and I don’t understand why he would bring this up).

I’m just tired as it feels like anything that I say will be weaponised against me. I kind of want to walk away but I don’t know if that’s an OR? As another part of still remembers the good times and positives. I mean am I missing something and coming across as defensive hence why he’s being super intense with his views or are my gut instincts right?
How do I approach it?

OP posts:
JMSA · 26/10/2024 20:39

Urgh, he sounds INSUFFERABLE.

He doesn't just have a chip on his shoulder, but a whole chippie tea!

His views are awful but of course, he must always be right Hmm

You sound so lovely, OP. And I don't think he even likes you. Please ditch this buffoon x

RoseyLentil · 26/10/2024 20:45

Bin him off
Ugh

orangewasp · 26/10/2024 20:46

Walk away, OP - he's a racist, misogynist bully and won't get any better. All men are definitely not like that.

Roui · 26/10/2024 20:52

I was once with a guy very similar to this. Every single day he would say air such ridiculous views and if I said anything to the contrary he would launch into a huge debate with me, which either ended in a blazing row or him sulking.

He told me I was weird for allowing my (not his) 12 year old son to hug me… he was a bully and the mental abuse resulted in me taking anti depressants to just cope with him. In the end the relationship ended catastrophically when I wouldn’t agree to me letting him have control of my son.

Your husband is abusive please do seek support and leave safely, don’t waste your life on this man. Are you in the uk?

XChrome · 26/10/2024 20:53

Your gut instincts are bang on the money. He is an emotionally disturbed and extremely hostile person, particularly towards women. I would be getting myself away from somebody this unhinged before it gets even worse.

EricTheGardener · 26/10/2024 20:55

I know a couple - very good friends who I've known for 30+ years. The man was like this - different from your DH as never racist or misogynistic - but just belligerent, defensive and belittling. Mostly when he'd had a few glasses of wine, but not always.

Over time, as I observed their relationship, I realised they just weren't compatible. She was very calm, laid-back, didn't really care that much about geopolitics or global injustices, just wanted to live her life and create a nice childhood for their twins. He, on the other hand, was a news junkie, did a politics degree in the evenings (always had a bit of a bee in his bonnet about not going to uni when younger) and would often ask her questions about what she thought about x, y and z policy, or her views on some conflict or other, and then try and get into a debate with her or pick apart her argument if she did actually have an opinion, which she didn't very often. He would just bang on and on and on.

It wasn't always big stuff like that, sometimes it would be really minor ... she'd say something like, oh I've started taking this supplement because of blah. And he'd then interrogate her about it, why can't she get that from food? Is there any evidence to back it up? Yeah but was it a proper random controlled trial? And on and on. Always ready to start bickering about something. And like you OP, he'd get really defensive if he was challenged, then just accuse her of being over-sensitive.

Anyway, they're not together anymore. They both have new partners - he is with a lawyer in a human rights charity and she is with a session musician. Both new partners are lovely as are both my friends, including said obnoxious man! It's like he's had a personality transplant back to how he was when I first knew him.

Now, my female friend says she doesn't know why they stayed together so long, they had grown apart, had fundamentally different values, and incompatible personalities. They didn't even really like each other. I was thinking the same when I read your post - it sounds like you have some really core differences in values. Do you think it's possible your relationship has just run its course? You don't have to live like this, it's exhausting.

XChrome · 26/10/2024 20:57

NunyaBeeswax · 26/10/2024 19:40

Is there a book titled,
"SO.. You've Married A Cunt..."

There should be one. And it should have tips and advice on how to get the fuck away from arseholes.

I'd recommend it OP, if it exists and if it doesn't exist, write it after you've left your arsehole.

😄 I love this because I have actually considered writing just such a book. The title I had in mind was almost identical too- So You Married An Asshole. I tend to doubt it could get published with cunt in the title, but asshole might be okay.

blacksax · 26/10/2024 20:57

I'm struggling to think of a reason why anyone would want a relationship with this repellent creature. The list of unpleasant characteristics is as long as the bargepole I wouldn't touch him with.

Opentooffers · 26/10/2024 21:10

Ew, this is all reflections of him. So he talks disrespectfully about women behind their back, and only helps women he fancies. Also, only men give women worth and value. He feels better putting his views in the category of 'all men' just so he feels better and less alone.
Bird's of a feather, flock together, so unfortunately, he probably hangs around and chats to other men holding similar opinions, this reinforces to him, that others share his views in his circle. It's not a world of men view happily, he hasn't noticed the rest of men outside his circle, as they are the ones walking away from him.

EPankhurst · 26/10/2024 21:20

He sounds like he doesn't much like women, and he doesn't much like you.

I'm not sure what there would be to salvage from this :/

Homebird8 · 26/10/2024 21:26

Few examples out of many (with my interpretation below)

• My MIL was discussing some article she read about how a man beat up his wife and it was disgusting. I agreed. My husband (as I’d predicted) comes out with but what about the times when women hit men? And I just thought this has NOTHING to do with the poor woman in question and there was no empathy for her

He feels vulnerable when any man has done something wrong and is compelled to DARVO using conflation and obfuscation to hide behind. How often does his behaviour become your fault?

• I told my husband that my friend just bought a house herself only and has achieved her life long dream. His response was if she’s planning on getting married why does she need a house? I said I don’t see the relevance. And he made it into a female vs male thing that women just want to buy a house for themselves to prove to men they can and to show off. I mean what the hell? How did it become a gender thing?

He thinks women are worth less than men and anything they achieve is a threat. He doesn't respect women and doesn't want to risk feeling 'less than' any woman in any way. How often are your achievements belittled and crushed? Do you feel it's necessary to compliment him on every little thing?

• We were watching some show and this contestant (POC) was coming across as aggressive and that’s what people on the show were saying. My husband made it into a race thing saying they calling him aggressive because he is POC. But thing is even as a POC myself, I felt the contestant was quite aggressive too. I failed to see where his race came into it?

Deep down he feels that POC are aggressive because he was the one who made the link between POC and aggression as the 'reason' for the accusation. Does he use this narrative to avoid you being able to discuss his views. Are you 'always' confrontational (aggressive) in his eyes?

• I get on well with my colleagues and most of them are men. My husband tells my colleagues must make sexual remarks as he’s heard when other men say behind a woman’s back. I’m like I don’t know what they say behind my back but they’ve always come across as respectful in the 5 years I’ve worked with them. But he is adamant and claims ALL men talk like that. I said but you can’t speak for other men. He tells me because he’s a man and has male friends he knows. But I said that doesn’t give him the right to speak on behalf of all men and I refuse to believe every man looks at females sexually.

He cannot envisage a world where men don't view all women as sexual objects. He expects other men to do this because it's exactly what he thinks about all women.

• I was telling him how my female colleague made an error at work but that’s because she’s used to people helping her and this time she had to do it alone. And some how he made it into a man/woman thing saying men are fickle they must fancy her and always do her work for her. And I’m thinking where did you pluck this idea from? I explained no that’s not the case as she asks me for help and usually she asks for help, no one goes out their way to help her unless she asks.

This is the same as the house buying story above combined with the one about your male work colleagues. The only reason to do something for a woman (which they need because they are inferior) is for sexual reasons.

I think you can already see this OP, he is sexist, racist, a bully, potentially a predator, insecure, and he has no respect for you. Now is the time to continue the chain of thought that made you open this thread, and use the external confirmation of your thoughts to allow you to act. This man isn't good for you (or any woman) and you will be better off without him.

If it couldn't go wrong what would you do?

Pinkbonbon · 26/10/2024 21:31

Yeah not strong views, he just hates women. You included.

Run. Fast and really far.

He's one of those Andrew tate psychos.

femfemlicious · 26/10/2024 21:37

Kitstar90 · 26/10/2024 19:39

No children

Thank God 👏🏿. Whatever you do don't have kids with this man!. You will regret it badly!

canyouletthedogoutplease · 26/10/2024 21:38

He's not intense, he's intensely unlikeable as a person and if you are finding being in a relationship with him exhausting and frustrating then it's ok to get yourself out of it.

MrsCarson · 26/10/2024 21:38

He has not respect for you or any women, even his own Mum. I'd leave and take his Mum with me.

betterangels · 26/10/2024 21:41

Surely you don't want this to be your life for the rest of your life?

It sounds infuriating.

Pinkbonbon · 26/10/2024 21:41

It's only ever abusive people who say 'everyone else thinks xyz'. It's designed to make you feel stupid/vulnerable/unloved/crazy/alone. Whatever suits them. They want you to feel those ways. They also want you alienated from people who may be support systems for you. And,they want you to think that all men are trash, just like them.

Its pathetic. He's a bastard and will never change.

Please see a solicitor and get your ducks firmly in a row before letting him know tou are leaving him. Also, make sure all your money is out of shared accounts, as he will likely drain thhem otherwise, just to spite you.

Make no mistake , rhis man hates you. He has already declared war on women and recognises you as one of them. When you stand to escape, he will try to crush you. Be prepared to leave.

But know that even if it meant losing everything it would still be worth it to be free from monsters like him.

LunaNorth · 26/10/2024 22:01

Have you married Tommy Robinson?

Kitstar90 · 26/10/2024 22:06

To add
we are both POC

OP posts:
dapsnotplimsolls · 26/10/2024 22:10

He sounds exhausting. I suspect he's watched a few videos by Andrew Tate and the like.

SlowPonies · 26/10/2024 22:18

Sympathy! Can you face a lifetime of this, OP, getting worse with age?

How old are you both? Do you hope to have children one day?

Is marriage therapy an option to at least tell him how you feel, moderated conversation so you can say your piece without him interrupting you?

Wallywobbles · 26/10/2024 22:19

Do you still see any of your female friends. Because I'd be surprised if they can be bothered if the price is time with him. He's an expensive habit you need to get rid of.

saraclara · 26/10/2024 22:23

What do you get from being with him? Is there anything about spending time with him that makes you happy?

Muddledandmiddle · 26/10/2024 22:28

This man has absolutely no respect for you or your right to independent thought. How the fuck did you get this far, marrying him even, before realising what a complete cunt he is?

if you were dating him for the first time, you wouldn’t accept it. You don’t have to accept it now just because you’ve made the mistake of marrying him. Just don’t have children, get out while you can.

pizzaHeart · 26/10/2024 22:32

I don’t think there is a way of approaching this rather than with a divorce. It sounds like apart from being a very unpleasant person he is also irritated by anything related to you. And it will only get worse. That’s not a way to live a life OP. No amount of counselling will help. I would divorce him and start my life again.

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