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What to do about this man?

253 replies

Courgettesandonions · 03/10/2024 08:01

Background: I have a long term partner, very happy with him.

A few weeks ago I bumped into a man I last met many years ago. He remembered me but I didn't really remember him, although I knew who he was as we have a shared friend.

We had a really great conversation as we have a lot in common. We continued the conversation online. Over a few days things became a bit more deep and meaningful and also flirty. I shut it down and made clear that I have a partner that I care about very much. He said he only wants to be friends, although he finds me attractive. He begged me not to block him. It seemed obvious that he didn't have that many friends and he seemed very upset at the thought of me cutting him off now that we had reconnected after so many years. He said he 'lost me once and doesn't want to lose me again'. So instead of blocking him I've tried to scale back communication.

However for every message I send he sends me 10. He sends me music, poems, stories, jokes, quotes, memes, lots of thoughtful reflective voice notes. He can be very funny and charming and I've found myself quite drawn into the conversation at times and sort of charmed by him.
Other times, I'm just too tired to bother engaging with what he's sent. He sends meaningful videos and songs and I tell him that I'm not likely to open them. I tell him that the level of communication is too much for me.

When I try and distance myself by not responding for many days he tells me that I'm punishing him, that it's unfair and all he wants is to be friends. I said it doesn't seem possible to just be friends, but he is very insistent that he just wants friendship and I'm the one making it into a problem. Meanwhile he continues to make flirty comments which I now just ignore.

I'm not sure how to deal with this man. Ordinarily I would block him but I know he would be very emotionally affected by it, incredibly upset and he would probably try and contact me via other platforms with a barrage of messages. We also have a shared friend so I don't want to rock the boat by taking such drastic action.

My new strategy is to do a slow fade. I'm trying to be as boring as possible and only reply to very direct/essential questions and leave big gaps. It feels really horrible and mean. I feel sorry for him. It's sad because I do really like him, we've had some fantastic conversations, and he's very funny and kind, but now he must think I've had a lobotomy because I only respond by one word answers. I know this change is making him feel uneasy and upset. However I feel like I am being manipulated somehow (am I?). Has anyone been in this situation before and can give any advice? As I've said before, blocking isn't really an option due to our mutual friends and his emotional reactions.

How can I keep my boundaries without causing him a lot of hurt and pain? I don't mind being friends but he seems overly invested in our connection, despite me repeatedly talking about how much I love my partner and would never cheat on him.

OP posts:
silentassassin · 03/10/2024 11:00

Courgettesandonions · 03/10/2024 10:40

Thank you. I just tried this but it wouldn't let me go back into WhatsApp without fixing the date settings back to normal. I'm on android.
What's weird is that when I go into the WhatsApp web version it looks like all of his messages have now disappeared leaving only mine. But on my phone both of our messages are still there.

I googled this after it was suggested, I think you have to put it on airplane mode to change the date otherwise it wont let you:

https://www.imyfone.com/whatsapp/delete-old-whatsapp-messages/#:~:text=Go%20back%20to%20Settings%20%3E%20Date,and%20select%20delete%20for%20everyone.

How to Delete Old WhatsApp Messages on iPhone/Android?

Messages can be deleted for everyone on WhatsApp, also, there is the

https://www.imyfone.com/whatsapp/delete-old-whatsapp-messages#:~:text=Go%20back%20to%20Settings%20%3E%20Date,and%20select%20delete%20for%20everyone.

Lemonadeand · 03/10/2024 11:01

Have you told your partner about this and showed him the messages?

Courgettesandonions · 03/10/2024 11:02

Crushed23 · 03/10/2024 11:00

One thing I've learned from online interaction with men - be it on social media, dating apps, or online businesses - is that if you don't nip sub-optimal behaviour in the bud by blocking straight away, it only gets worse.

I now have a one strike policy. Treat me badly once, shame on you; treat me badly twice, shame on me.

Anytime I have veered from this policy (I'm ashamed to say I am still occasionally drawn in by the charmers), it has been a DISASTER.

Thank you. I like this policy and shall start to implement it as a lesson from this experience.

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notacooldad · 03/10/2024 11:02

Stop being nice.
You are uncomfortable. He is making you uncomfortable but you are concerned about him being uncomfortable!!
Look after yourself. Block him.
If it causes a fuss in the friendship group tell the truth, he was too imposing.

Being nice to unwanted attention is a weakness.
Dont be weak, stand up for yourself. Why on earth are allowing yourself to be emotionally manipulated.

Lemonadeand · 03/10/2024 11:02

Courgettesandonions · 03/10/2024 08:26

No there is a degree of responsibility I need to take. I didn't stand firm when he had a meltdown. I've been too kind because I felt sorry for him. It doesn't sound like he has much going on in his life. He says things like being friends with me makes him so happy and that it has 'saved him' during a stressful time (he has been ill). I should have just blocked him without saying anything first, but I didn't want to ghost without explanation given that we'd had some meaningful conversations and have a shared close friend.

This man is not your responsibility. You can’t save him. You barely know him. Tell him the messages are making you uncomfortable and you no longer wish to be in touch, and please not to contact you further. Then block him.

Lavenderblossoms · 03/10/2024 11:09

I recognise the people pleaser in you op.

Did you learn this behaviour growing up?

I did and it took a lot of undoing by strong boundaries and being comfortable to say no.

Remember you are literally worrying about his feelings and he's crapped all over yours. He doesn't care about how you feel does he? Despite you asking him to scale it back?

When did your needs become last to a stranger? I think if you work on that with some good therapy, you will never ever be in this position again.

Remember, yoy have a right to peace and safety regardless of others.

HangDai · 03/10/2024 11:12

Why do you care so much about what his narrative is?

lololulu · 03/10/2024 11:17

He has probably taken screenshots of texts and emails. Probably even printed them out.

HScully · 03/10/2024 11:17

Please don't feel guilty about blocking him. You are not responsible for his mental health. You set boundaries he disrespected them - he should feel guilty.

Woman are raised in our society to be kind caring compassionate and to please. Often with disregard to our true feelings and it is bull crap. Most of us fall for it, I did last week. Ended up having a drink with a man in a bar, because he bought me one. I didn't ask him to, he just saw what i was ordering and paid. I then felt guilty about walking away with my friends.

P**ed me off I felt like he bought my company

lololulu · 03/10/2024 11:22

Lazydomestic · 03/10/2024 10:16

Bit of a hack on deleting WhatsApp (100% works on iPhone)
Go into settings then date / time - manually change to before messages started ie 01/09/2024 9am
go back into WhatsApp - do delete all for everyone on messages & they will be removed from his & yours
Go back to settings and change back to normal date / time

How you actually done this on 2 phones to check it works?

Crushed23 · 03/10/2024 11:47

HScully · 03/10/2024 11:17

Please don't feel guilty about blocking him. You are not responsible for his mental health. You set boundaries he disrespected them - he should feel guilty.

Woman are raised in our society to be kind caring compassionate and to please. Often with disregard to our true feelings and it is bull crap. Most of us fall for it, I did last week. Ended up having a drink with a man in a bar, because he bought me one. I didn't ask him to, he just saw what i was ordering and paid. I then felt guilty about walking away with my friends.

P**ed me off I felt like he bought my company

I recognise this so much. I remember being in a gay bar and a (straight) man bought me a drink and I felt obliged to talk to him even though he was unspeakably dull and quite creepy.

This was in my early 20s, I absolutely would not entertain this now in my 30s. I couldn't care less about men's egos.

Lazydomestic · 03/10/2024 11:48

@lololulu - have done it & works - but only on messages you have sent. You can’t delete messages from their history that they have sent you.

Comedycook · 03/10/2024 11:52

The reason I think that many men like this get away with their manipulative behaviour is because women are conditioned from an early age to be nice, be kind, make other people happy, be polite, think about other people, put others before yourself blah blah blah. We also assume that men will be emotionally intelligent and decent enough to realise when we're trying politely to create distance and put boundaries in place. Unfortunately they see ordinary politeness as a come on. Op...you owe him nothing.

DoTheDinosaurStomp · 03/10/2024 11:53

Motnight · 03/10/2024 08:05

Blocking is absolutely an option and the one that you should take.

This. He's playing on your niceness. You've told him, verbally and non verbally that his constant communications are too much, he's refusing to respect your boundaries and pushing and pushing. His behaviour would piss me off.

DoTheDinosaurStomp · 03/10/2024 11:55

Comedycook · 03/10/2024 11:52

The reason I think that many men like this get away with their manipulative behaviour is because women are conditioned from an early age to be nice, be kind, make other people happy, be polite, think about other people, put others before yourself blah blah blah. We also assume that men will be emotionally intelligent and decent enough to realise when we're trying politely to create distance and put boundaries in place. Unfortunately they see ordinary politeness as a come on. Op...you owe him nothing.

Yes, they completely take advantage of women's propensity to being nice and they're quite happy to make us feel uncomfortable if it means that they get what they want. Fuck that.

Crushed23 · 03/10/2024 11:57

Comedycook · 03/10/2024 11:52

The reason I think that many men like this get away with their manipulative behaviour is because women are conditioned from an early age to be nice, be kind, make other people happy, be polite, think about other people, put others before yourself blah blah blah. We also assume that men will be emotionally intelligent and decent enough to realise when we're trying politely to create distance and put boundaries in place. Unfortunately they see ordinary politeness as a come on. Op...you owe him nothing.

It's not that they see ordinary politeness as a come on, like some sort of innocent misunderstanding. These piece of shit men simply ignore your boundaries. Which is why you shouldn't waste time trying to assert boundaries and just block them straight away.

Notwhatuwanttohear · 03/10/2024 12:01

She wants to delete the messages so her partner who is apparently "lovely" doesn't see she has been flirting with a needy weirdo

BobbyBiscuits · 03/10/2024 12:01

He fancies you to the point he sounds obsessed. It's not healthy or normal to bombard someone you've only just bumped into after many years with hundreds of messages etc. He's a menace.

How would you feel if your partner saw, and thought you were cheating with this guy? I bet if he asked, the bloke would probably start saying he was your new boyfriend!!

Honestly it's unhinged. He doesn't care how awkward he's making you feel and is so needy to someone he barely knows. Enormous red flag.

You have to block him. If you don't you'll seriously regret it.

Comedycook · 03/10/2024 12:02

Crushed23 · 03/10/2024 11:57

It's not that they see ordinary politeness as a come on, like some sort of innocent misunderstanding. These piece of shit men simply ignore your boundaries. Which is why you shouldn't waste time trying to assert boundaries and just block them straight away.

Oh I don't think it's benign...it's totally on purpose but this is how they justify it to themselves and others ..

Gillywoo1978 · 03/10/2024 12:18

Just block him. You barely know this man. You don't owe him anything

Paganpentacle · 03/10/2024 12:19

Block him.
You're not responsible for him or his feelings, especially if its bothering you.
You owe him nothing,.

Courgettesandonions · 03/10/2024 12:20

I had made my boundaries clear to him. I had requested many times that he scale back on the number of messages and avoid any flirty/sexual/romantic topics. He didn't stop when I asked and continued despite receiving zero encouragement from me. He went on a complete charm offensive, lots of funny thoughtful messages, songs, poems, lots of attention. Way too much and not at all appropriate. I would have been friends with him if he had acted like a normal person, but thanks to MN encouragement I've now blocked him and hopefully made clear that there is a consequence to overstepping my boundaries. It's hard when you're in it and can't see the wood for the trees, which is why I needed this thread. I just need to stand resolute now. Thanks all

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TwistedWonder · 03/10/2024 12:22

Ask yourself why if your relationship is as great as you say it is that you were so sucked in by this man’s attention and why you’re still
giving him so much headspace?

Autumnweddingguest · 03/10/2024 12:25

Edited as I just saw the update. I'm glad you blocked him. If he is emotionally affected by you not being his new emotional support human after only a few days that is wholly his problem, not yours.

God in heaven, MN seems full of stories of menchildren. OP, you have a partner you like so why on earth...? I can't even be bothered to finish that sentence.

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 03/10/2024 12:26

Block him. You shouldn't have started messaging online with him in the first place.