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What to do about this man?

253 replies

Courgettesandonions · 03/10/2024 08:01

Background: I have a long term partner, very happy with him.

A few weeks ago I bumped into a man I last met many years ago. He remembered me but I didn't really remember him, although I knew who he was as we have a shared friend.

We had a really great conversation as we have a lot in common. We continued the conversation online. Over a few days things became a bit more deep and meaningful and also flirty. I shut it down and made clear that I have a partner that I care about very much. He said he only wants to be friends, although he finds me attractive. He begged me not to block him. It seemed obvious that he didn't have that many friends and he seemed very upset at the thought of me cutting him off now that we had reconnected after so many years. He said he 'lost me once and doesn't want to lose me again'. So instead of blocking him I've tried to scale back communication.

However for every message I send he sends me 10. He sends me music, poems, stories, jokes, quotes, memes, lots of thoughtful reflective voice notes. He can be very funny and charming and I've found myself quite drawn into the conversation at times and sort of charmed by him.
Other times, I'm just too tired to bother engaging with what he's sent. He sends meaningful videos and songs and I tell him that I'm not likely to open them. I tell him that the level of communication is too much for me.

When I try and distance myself by not responding for many days he tells me that I'm punishing him, that it's unfair and all he wants is to be friends. I said it doesn't seem possible to just be friends, but he is very insistent that he just wants friendship and I'm the one making it into a problem. Meanwhile he continues to make flirty comments which I now just ignore.

I'm not sure how to deal with this man. Ordinarily I would block him but I know he would be very emotionally affected by it, incredibly upset and he would probably try and contact me via other platforms with a barrage of messages. We also have a shared friend so I don't want to rock the boat by taking such drastic action.

My new strategy is to do a slow fade. I'm trying to be as boring as possible and only reply to very direct/essential questions and leave big gaps. It feels really horrible and mean. I feel sorry for him. It's sad because I do really like him, we've had some fantastic conversations, and he's very funny and kind, but now he must think I've had a lobotomy because I only respond by one word answers. I know this change is making him feel uneasy and upset. However I feel like I am being manipulated somehow (am I?). Has anyone been in this situation before and can give any advice? As I've said before, blocking isn't really an option due to our mutual friends and his emotional reactions.

How can I keep my boundaries without causing him a lot of hurt and pain? I don't mind being friends but he seems overly invested in our connection, despite me repeatedly talking about how much I love my partner and would never cheat on him.

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LovingCritic · 03/10/2024 10:18

Man here (if that's relevant!!)

OP I would without hesitation block this guy with immediately, he sounds quite unhinged - he obviously has romantic designs on you and that is only going to end badly for you, him and your DP.

Talk to your DP about it too, its important to be transparent with things like this, this guy has hooked you in and is manipulating you, if I was your DP I would want to know about this (and would be pissed off at the brass neck of the guy, not you!)

If you don't cut him off it will just spiral - block him immediately if he pops up on other platforms.

As you say the physical distance and fact he doesn't have your address is really good news.

The apocalyptic shit is just part of the manipulation process. Don't worry about him, he will find a new target alas!

ftg123 · 03/10/2024 10:24

Courgettesandonions · 03/10/2024 10:14

Does anyone know if I can delete WhatsApp messages for both of us so that he cannot access them?

If you're worried that he could spin things to make it look worse than it is, I'd immediately own up and show all of the messages to anyone who might be upset with you, to preempt that.

Full honesty, even if it doesn't present you in a good light, is better than having to try to defend yourself after you've already been dishonest. If it's proven that you've already lied it's harder for your DH to believe that you're suddenly telling the truth.

You can't really do anything to be confident you've stopped him rereading the messages, or sharing them with people, as he could have already taken screenshots.

Socktopusses · 03/10/2024 10:24

meaningful reflective voice notes... bleurgh.

Block him. I had one of those - tried to be gentle as he seemed a sensitive soul. It went on far too long, he refused to take me at my word - he even saw a therapist as he was 'so devastated by my behaviour' and diagnosed me from a far as having a personality disorder....

In the end I had to block him anyway and tell him to leave me alone.

Save yourself the hassle and do it now.

Lazydomestic · 03/10/2024 10:24

@silentassassin - yup - WhatsApp gives you a window to delete for everyone when you send a message, so just change the time / date on phone manually which makes it think it’s still in the window 👍

Worriedmum1975 · 03/10/2024 10:25

It sounds like he is mentally unwell and he needs to see a doctor. This isn't your problem though OP. You've done the right thing.

Socktopusses · 03/10/2024 10:26

p.s. this is all part of his game!! I felt guilty too - but you have been completely straightforward with him. You are NOT responsible for his emotions. You do NOT owe him anything. He is a grown man is trying to manipulate you into giving him what he wants. Be strong. Don't feel guilty.

silentassassin · 03/10/2024 10:26

Lazydomestic · 03/10/2024 10:24

@silentassassin - yup - WhatsApp gives you a window to delete for everyone when you send a message, so just change the time / date on phone manually which makes it think it’s still in the window 👍

Thank you! this is very useful info 😄

TypingoftheDead · 03/10/2024 10:33

Arlanymor · 03/10/2024 08:21

My ex threatened to do himself mischief when I broke it off, that was the lowest thing to do it really was, a truly terrible thing to say to a 19 year old girl. Last thing he was alive and thriving. Don’t be scared, you don’t owe him anything, he is way out of line and you are not responsible for his wellbeing. You are only responsible for your own.

This - my last boyfriend (admittedly half-heartedly) threatened to harm himself when I broke up with him, but I was firm - and he was fine next time I saw him, a few days later.
Even if he did harm himself, OP, that would be on him, not you. I agree he needs help.

BigAnne · 03/10/2024 10:33

@Courgettesandonions you have to tell your partner about this. I think you know this is inappropriate. Borderline EA.

CotesDuNone · 03/10/2024 10:38

If he's sending lots of messages and 'begging' you not to block him, that's a massive red flag and he needs to be blocked! Does he know where you live or work? It all makes me feel very uncomfortable for you.

Courgettesandonions · 03/10/2024 10:40

Lazydomestic · 03/10/2024 10:16

Bit of a hack on deleting WhatsApp (100% works on iPhone)
Go into settings then date / time - manually change to before messages started ie 01/09/2024 9am
go back into WhatsApp - do delete all for everyone on messages & they will be removed from his & yours
Go back to settings and change back to normal date / time

Thank you. I just tried this but it wouldn't let me go back into WhatsApp without fixing the date settings back to normal. I'm on android.
What's weird is that when I go into the WhatsApp web version it looks like all of his messages have now disappeared leaving only mine. But on my phone both of our messages are still there.

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Blessedbunny · 03/10/2024 10:42

Yes. Looks like it’s purely an online thing as well. Hopefully he’s not clever enough to trace your IP address.

Coruscations · 03/10/2024 10:43

Courgettesandonions · 03/10/2024 08:31

No he doesn't. This was my biggest mistake. I should have said something to my partner from the beginning, but now I realised I've been an idiot and got myself into a situation. I was worried that DP would be upset that had been some flirting. I did shut it down but he has continued sending flirty/suggestive messages and I have not been strong enough to block because of the emotional manipulation I have described above.

You should point out to him that he knows you don't want flirty and suggestive messages, nor the supposedly meaningful poetry etc, and that if you receive one more message like that you will be blocking him because he will have forced you into it. And be prepared to act on that.

wwjalme · 03/10/2024 10:44

Thank fuck you blocked him.
He is absolutely NOT your responsibility at all.
He's someone you haven't seen for years. You couldn't even remember him and within a short space of time he's gone completely and utterly over the top with constant messages and emotional manipulation.
He's obviously got serious issues but that's not your problem to solve.
You can set up your email to automatically delete anything coming from his email address or if your email programme doesn't allow that, have it sent straight to spam.

I suggest you tell your DP too just in case this man tries to get in contact with him and lie to him about what went on.

Going forwards you really need to have a look at why you behaved in the way you did. You allowed the initial meeting to develop into flirty conversation before you shut it down, even though you have a partner. Then he begged you not to block him and became emotionally manipulative and you then had to do a lot of soul-searching and ask Mumsnet before you eventually blocked him.
He should have been blocked straightaway after you shut down the flirty conversations and it was clear he wasn't going to accept that.

Social media/WhatsApp and so on have changed the way we live and communicate with others. It means you can constantly get bombarded by stuff like this and people can reach you on several platforms. That's why every single platform has a way of blocking people quickly and easily and that's what you should do straightaway if someone is overstepping boundaries.

Tbry24 · 03/10/2024 10:45

Just start sending a friendly style email or texted just once a month. Reply to the first response then none of the others. And/Or just post things on Facebook or equivalent nice photos of you and partner doing lovely things together and he can just reply to them.

And btw flirting is emotional based cheating…..my DP and I would split up over that.

Courgettesandonions · 03/10/2024 10:45

wwjalme · 03/10/2024 10:44

Thank fuck you blocked him.
He is absolutely NOT your responsibility at all.
He's someone you haven't seen for years. You couldn't even remember him and within a short space of time he's gone completely and utterly over the top with constant messages and emotional manipulation.
He's obviously got serious issues but that's not your problem to solve.
You can set up your email to automatically delete anything coming from his email address or if your email programme doesn't allow that, have it sent straight to spam.

I suggest you tell your DP too just in case this man tries to get in contact with him and lie to him about what went on.

Going forwards you really need to have a look at why you behaved in the way you did. You allowed the initial meeting to develop into flirty conversation before you shut it down, even though you have a partner. Then he begged you not to block him and became emotionally manipulative and you then had to do a lot of soul-searching and ask Mumsnet before you eventually blocked him.
He should have been blocked straightaway after you shut down the flirty conversations and it was clear he wasn't going to accept that.

Social media/WhatsApp and so on have changed the way we live and communicate with others. It means you can constantly get bombarded by stuff like this and people can reach you on several platforms. That's why every single platform has a way of blocking people quickly and easily and that's what you should do straightaway if someone is overstepping boundaries.

Thank you. You're very right. Introspection needed.

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CautiousLurker · 03/10/2024 10:49

HangDai · 03/10/2024 08:17

He had a meltdown, sent me a barrage of voice notes in which it sounded like he was crying

Even more of a reason to block him.

Yes, this. If you block him you will not need to or be able to engage with his purported meltdown.

I would, however, ask yourself why engaging with this man has happened at all. Do you not find your partner engaging, warm and funny. Do you not have some of those wonderful conversations and exchange flirty texts with him?

I wonder whether, initially at least, this chap offered you something you feel you are missing from your DP, so maybe you should not only block the nuisance man, but explore the state of your current relationship and maybe initiate some of those interactions with him?

CautiousLurker · 03/10/2024 10:50

Sorry - just seen @wwjalme ’s reply and your response. Should have RTFT

wrongthinker · 03/10/2024 10:52

Why do you want to delete all the messages? Keep everything, in case the guy escalates and you need to report to police.

Don't lie to your partner about this. The lying and deleting messages will look way worse than the truth will now. What would happen if this guys keeps harassing you and you need to get the police involved? How are you going to explain it to your partner when the crazy man turns up with screenshots of messages from you that you've deleted from your phone?

Just try and think a bit more clearly here. Have some consideration for your partner and your relationship. Tell him the truth. Yes, you've risked harm to your relationship. Hopefully your partner will understand and believe you. But he has the right to know what you've done and decide if he still trusts you.

You haven't been very smart up until now. Start being smarter or you're going to make this so much worse.

Naunet · 03/10/2024 10:52

Courgettesandonions · 03/10/2024 09:53

Thank you. I've now blocked him and removed him from other platforms. I don't feel great about it because I think he's vulnerable. He told me not to 'squish his heart' while he's at work, and I've basically just done that. Eurgh. I feel so cruel and awful.

Oh please, he hardly knows you, vulnerable my arse. He’s manipulative and doesn’t respect your boundaries, this is not a good man and you have nothing to feel bad about.
Female social conditioning really is toxic.

LoyalMember · 03/10/2024 10:53

You did the right thing. Let's hope he doesn't turn up at your door....

AnywhereAnyoneAnyTime · 03/10/2024 10:57

I really wish people would stop saying that someone must be mentally ill when they behave inappropriately. Stop excusing his actions. He’s a manipulative creep who, far from being unwell knows exactly what he’s doing.

As for deleting WhatsApp messages, it seems then that you were in deeper than you want to admit. Deleting messages is as good as an admission of guilt.

Courgettesandonions · 03/10/2024 10:59

CautiousLurker · 03/10/2024 10:49

Yes, this. If you block him you will not need to or be able to engage with his purported meltdown.

I would, however, ask yourself why engaging with this man has happened at all. Do you not find your partner engaging, warm and funny. Do you not have some of those wonderful conversations and exchange flirty texts with him?

I wonder whether, initially at least, this chap offered you something you feel you are missing from your DP, so maybe you should not only block the nuisance man, but explore the state of your current relationship and maybe initiate some of those interactions with him?

Edited

There's nothing missing in my current relationship. DP is truly wonderful. I wish I had shut it down much sooner. I did attempt to block but that's when the meltdown happened. I requested that communication was kept to a minimum and I tried to keep my distance, not replying for days, but the messages (particularly voice notes) from him were non stop...

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Courgettesandonions · 03/10/2024 11:00

AnywhereAnyoneAnyTime · 03/10/2024 10:57

I really wish people would stop saying that someone must be mentally ill when they behave inappropriately. Stop excusing his actions. He’s a manipulative creep who, far from being unwell knows exactly what he’s doing.

As for deleting WhatsApp messages, it seems then that you were in deeper than you want to admit. Deleting messages is as good as an admission of guilt.

No the reason I want to delete the messages is that he said he will reread them again and again, that he never forgets anything.

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Crushed23 · 03/10/2024 11:00

One thing I've learned from online interaction with men - be it on social media, dating apps, or online businesses - is that if you don't nip sub-optimal behaviour in the bud by blocking straight away, it only gets worse.

I now have a one strike policy. Treat me badly once, shame on you; treat me badly twice, shame on me.

Anytime I have veered from this policy (I'm ashamed to say I am still occasionally drawn in by the charmers), it has been a DISASTER.

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