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Is it controlling to ask DH to come home?

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Boulevardofhopefuldreams · 21/09/2024 12:06

Sorry for length - I don’t have anyone else I can really share this with, sadly so once I start….

DH has been invited to the evening of a wedding 30 minutes away. It’s someone whom he classes as a very good friend but he’s not been invited to the wedding itself which he’s upset about, because his wife to be wants to invite the partners of a couple of friends invited to the day, so there isn’t room for him, despite the groom assuring DH he tried to fight his case to have him there over them. A few other, not as close to groom, friends are in the same position of just being invited to the evening without partners. The wedding is midweek.
As the friends don’t have children, they’ve decided to book a hotel near the venue to stay in afterwards. DH told me a while ago this was their plan and he wanted to discuss my thoughts on him doing it too. I shared that I wouldn’t be too pleased with this -

*We have no childcare aside from FIL, who’s just had a knee replacement and wedding is only a short few weeks away. He’s expecting FIL to have our 1 year old all day, collect 4 year old from school and then me finish work to take over. 1 year old does go to nursery twice (funded set days now) but this isn’t one of her days.
I work in a very difficult and stressful job which has been really getting to me of late, which DH knows. I come home exhausted and just want to cry. I’d be coming in from work with extra jobs than usual, rightly so, because I can’t expect FIL to be tidying round and sorting things out too much.

*Our 1 year old is a sleeping nightmare the second she realises something isn’t ‘normal’. DH has only recently came back from a 4 day stag do abroad where she spent most nights screaming for hours, asking for him. The thought of being at work all day, to be up for hours, to then have to get up really early to rush round getting them both up and ready for FIL to come again, to go to work on limited sleep, is filling me with anxiety. I don’t think it’s fair for FIL to be doing that much either, whilst he recovers. The next is also a really important day for me at work as it’s when I take on new clients and have to risk assess etc so need to be ‘on it’ and can’t take time away.
It would be more helpful IMO for him to go, have a lovely civilised time and come home so he can help in the morning. When DD was a baby she’d scream for hours every day and night which ruined my MH so when it happens now, I go back to that place.

The discussion didn’t go well but no more was said about it for weeks. Earlier this week, when I was organising our family e-calendar, I asked him about it. He then told me he’d booked and paid for the hotel and wasn’t going to tell me unless it was brought up again.

I tried to communicate to him that this wasn’t the best way to deal with something and quite frankly annoyed me that he’d be sneaky about it rather than say something like, it’s getting booked, I want to go but can we discuss a compromise or anything that could make it easier on you.

It was completely turned on me in that I’m trying to control him, he’d be having to miss out, he doesn’t want to get a taxi alone and it will be too expensive. I’ve checked and it will cost about £30, the same price as the hotel. He sees having to come back home as a major inconvenience to him vs the minor inconvenience to me. He then started protesting lots about how it’s clearly because I don’t trust him and how the wedding will finish after 12:30 and then they might want to go to the casino or out after.
Just to add, we struggle with disposable money, don’t have nights out for us and I’ve never had a night out for nearly a year, where I still came home after.
He berated me for trying to be a victim and essentially how he’s so badly done to because he doesn’t go on every drinking meet up with the friends (who’re childless) and it must be because I want him chained to the house, then started comparing me to all the other partners who don’t have an issue or they must just put up and shut up.

He can see his friends whenever he wants and often meets them for coffee etc and they have a group chat that’s always going, where they put on weekly football group bets so he’s not kept away from them by any means. He seems to not be bothered about us doing things but if the possibility of not going out with friends is on the table, he gets very defensive and angry. When pregnant with DD, I started developing PGP and could barely walk on a day he was due to go out day drinking. I asked if he could consider not going to help me with DS or compromise and come home earlier, to which he stormed around the house bellowing (scaring DS) and then went anyway, not coming back earlier.

For more context, I have ADHD so experience life differently and struggle with constant perfectionism vs never feeling good enough. My work involves taking on lots of others’ trauma and problems when this year has been quite frankly awful for me mentally - developing a near fatal health condition after birth, all of the impact of DD as a smaller baby with the screaming (undiagnosed allergy) and the DA perp my DM used to be married to, turned up as a volunteer at my work so I had all the impact of reliving that and reporting him (which happened twice as they promised to remove him once and failed to do so).

I pride myself on being a present parent and put my all into teaching and playing with the children so they are fairly obsessed with me which is lovely but exhausting too as they usually only want me.

I think to be honest this is the latest tip of the iceberg for me as I’m finding I’m becoming resentful of DH. I take on the lions share of the housework and mental planning; down to weekly meal plans (including the weekly shopping list), buying toys and books for the children, arranging with relatives what to get them for special occasions, buying their clothes/organising their wardrobes when they’re needing new sizes and organising the life admin of appointments (we also have 3 dogs who I organise all appointments for), phonics practice etc as well as planning where to go for days out as we’d just end up sat in the house doing nothing (him sat on the sofa barely interacting).
It’s only recently he’s started financially contributing to the children’s clothes as before he said me getting the child benefit to my account was for me to do it.
He’ll make a huge mess with the children in one room, won’t tidy up with them and then moves to another room where even more mess is created and it’s then on me to tidy up. Instead of washing up when it’s manageable, throughout the day he’ll just pile more and more dirty pots up until it’s a huge mess because he knows I can’t stand it and will usually ‘cave’ first.

DH by contrast isn’t a hardworking dad that needs a rest and seems to have gone from fairly tolerable to impossible since having the children. He wanders around leaving mess and clothes wherever he goes; imagine living with a teenage boy. He wears a pair of shorts, changes out of them, then leaves both pairs of bottoms strewn about, dirty socks and pants left on the floor or used wrappers and glasses in the home office. I’ve told him many times this is disrespectful as I’m not his parent and asked him to stop.

He gets to WFH most days a week which is a very relaxed role. He’s doing a qualification at the moment which involves many assignments. He procrastinates until the last minute, then panics and wants to shut himself away for hours in home time and leave me with the children, rather than organise work time to do it. He does some cooking and likes to use this as proof of him doing lots but this can only happen because I’ve planned the meal, done the list and even put a recipe if needed, into the family planner app.

I have to ask him for days to do one household job. He constantly comes up with ideas and ‘whims’ that never come to anything or says something needs doing, to put it on a list but then will never action it. He’ll open a letter and leave it out because it needs him to do something, but never do it and never put it away (we have a filing system).
When it’s just the children and I, everything is tidy and clean and I’m coming to realise he just adds to my stress and the mess.

DH had never lived alone (bar uni which was just a giant drink fest from what he tells me) whereas I moved out at an early age and feel living with him has made me lose so much of my previously capable and confident self as he took on all of the financial account organisation, then likes to berate me for not having anything to do with it.

If I ask for help with something that needs planning or purchasing e.g DS needs his bedroom completing revamping and new furniture, or a holiday for his birthday, I’m doing it alone as he’s no help. He just seems to wander around in his own world, incapable of doing anything. Not excusing but I’ve started to think he’s got ADHD too and he agreed he seems to but is doing nothing about looking into assessment. He constantly wants to put blame on me for things for my ADHD or do things to trigger it, when I’m very open about what does.

I know lots of people would wonder why I tolerate this but I have very little self-esteem and worry about not seeing the children every day and him having an ‘unsupervised’ role with them. Just yesterday, he decided to find a ‘hack’ video for a different way to cut an orange so instead of just quickly peeling an orange for DD with her, got all consumed in this video and cutting up an orange, wasn’t watching DD and she managed to pull her very big highchair over onto her head resulting in a big egg and a bruise.
He then started getting very angry at me saying it was completely unavoidable but also saying it wouldn’t have happened if I hadn’t been ‘fannying’ around upstairs (I was actually putting the children’s washing onto the airer which he knew).
I had to instruct him to get ice out for her and had to demand he ring 111 multiple times for advice to make sure she didn’t need to be checked out, whilst I sat icing her head, as I hadn’t seen what had happened. He refused a few times saying he’d just Google it and wasn’t taking advice off someone in a call centre.

I’m sorry about how long this was! If you read it and have advice, thank you.

As I say, I know others may say I’d be happier/better separated but I have my worries and if I was to, I’d have no idea where to start or what the ‘process’ would be.

OP posts:
Ifyouinsistthen · 21/09/2024 12:12

He is selfish, disrespectful and unreasonable. I would let him go but use this as an opportunity to get angry enough to start exploring leaving him. In the event of a separation it’s unlikely he would want or be capable of equally split custody so don’t let that stop you from leaving. I’m sorry you are married to such an embarrassment of a man, you and your kids deserve better.

Icanflyhigh · 21/09/2024 12:14

If you'd been invited too, would this be quite the issue that it is?

Sorry but I think YABU over one night.

rubyslippers · 21/09/2024 12:16

He sounds unbearable and I’d be looking to leave

Asparename · 21/09/2024 12:16

It’s very long. Sounds like he has adhd too. Sounds very frustrating but I my initial thoughts were that he should be able to go and stay over at the wedding. My dh travelled abroad a lot from when the children were very small and I looked after them alone with no support for weeks at a time. Only had one dog tho!

Mrsttcno1 · 21/09/2024 12:16

I think for the sake of one night for a wedding YABU.

But the other stuff needs dealt with or look to leave.

poppyzbrite4 · 21/09/2024 12:18

He's a waste of space OP and I've no idea how you put up with him so long. I'd be incandescent at the way he treats me with the wedding as the icing on the cake.

I see no way of salvaging this.

TiramisuThief · 21/09/2024 12:21

The night away is just one more straw isn't it. On its own is not a big deal but combined with everything else where he is not a functioning adult but a teenager who is angry, resentful and selfish is too much.

As usual on these threads the problem being discussed isn't the real issue. You deserve better than DH. A father who doesn't keep his children safe and deflects by being annoyed at you isn't someone who is a reliable partner.

Boulevardofhopefuldreams · 21/09/2024 12:24

For the poster who brought it up - the wedding would be a nightmare for my ADHD as it brings a lot of social anxiety and masking so absolutely not, this isn’t about me wanting to get in his way or cause issues just because I’m not invited.
I used to love going out when I was younger but now I’m 30, constantly living in a worn out rush to get everything done and feel far less confident in myself since having children / no time to make an effort for me, it brings a new level of anxiety.
Him going to the wedding itself isn’t the issue but I do think it’s just the latest in a long line of things that’s slowly wearing me down and growing resentment - thank you @TiramisuThief for articulating it perfectly.

OP posts:
Meadowfinch · 21/09/2024 12:26

It's one night and you'll have FIL to help. If fil is happy to do that, I don't see an issue.

Let the tidying up slip for one night, leave it for your dh to do when he gets back.

And make it clear that you want an equivalent night away sometime in the autumn. It sounds like you need a break too.

ThatFlightyTemptress · 21/09/2024 12:28

I have a friend like you. The indisputably perfect parent, constantly present, invested, never shouts, puts EVERYTHING into her children 100 percent. Her partner was never, ever going to be the parent she was and she subsequently resented him for “failing” all the time. In reality, he was just normal. He felt inferior to the children because she constantly put her and the 3 kids.at the top with him a solid 5th place. They are now divorced.

I appreciate it’s hard with the ADHD and the stressful job, but can you find it in yourself to chill out a bit? Let go of “perfect” and remember you are still people who need to enjoy yourselves occasionally? Otherwise I’m sorry but your relationship sounds doomed.

Olika · 21/09/2024 12:32

You need to have a frank conversation about what life with kids is (as in very practical level) and if he is up to it. And about him thinking it's ok to hide things like a child hoping not to be found out until last moment. If he keeps comparing himself to his childless mates he will keep feeling resentment that will keep building up until he explodes.

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HundredMilesAnHour · 21/09/2024 12:37

Ifyouinsistthen · 21/09/2024 12:12

He is selfish, disrespectful and unreasonable. I would let him go but use this as an opportunity to get angry enough to start exploring leaving him. In the event of a separation it’s unlikely he would want or be capable of equally split custody so don’t let that stop you from leaving. I’m sorry you are married to such an embarrassment of a man, you and your kids deserve better.

This. Except I'd tell him he can go and don't come back. Ever. He's an absolute arsehole. What value does he add to your life? Anything? Doesn't sound like it.

RomeoRivers · 21/09/2024 12:39

Thank goodness you’re only 30; don’t waste any more time with this guy. He’s useless, selfish and far more hassle than he’s worth.

I don’t think you can do anything about the wedding now, but tell him to pack a suitcase and book out the room for longer because he won’t be coming back.

You’ll need to take some annual leave and sort out nursery, without his income presumably you’ll be entitled to more free hours. Sort out a CM claim and speak to a lawyer about divorce.

Before you tell him it’s over, get a handle on your finances and make sure everything is separated. I’m sorry he’s put you in this situation.

Boulevardofhopefuldreams · 21/09/2024 12:49

It’s rubbish to live with ADHD, especially when you were only diagnosed last year so you’re now trying to learn who you are and better ways to manage.
My life would absolutely be so much easier if I could just ‘stop’ doing things or worrying about things but unfortunately it’s not that simple to override how your brain functions! I have been working on getting much better - leaving things for another day or accepting something won’t happen and it won’t harm anyone but it’s difficult for others to comprehend that when you fixate on something, you cannot rest until your brain knows it’s been done. It’s bloody exhausting and if I could choose not to have it, I would in a heartbeat.

I take on board some comments that it’s one night and I could be more relaxed towards that, probably more so if it was in isolation. I just think everything else about our life and him as a husband amplifies it. I would challenge anyone to spend every day surrounded by a grown adult’s mess and the inability to rely on them, when you’re supposed to be a partnership and see how they felt after a while of it.
I don’t feel I can put into FIL anymore that will be asked of him either as he’s still recovering from his operation - he’ll be exhausted and want to go straight home.

Thank you to those who’ve provided some helpful advice or perspective from both sides. I’m so worn down of repeating myself, asking for changes or compromises that I just don’t know if I’d trust anything could be any different or if I have the will to keep trying anymore.

Fantastic insightful comment too Edin - I hope sending that to someone who’s clearly struggling improved your day. I acknowledged it was long but didn’t pin you down and force you to click onto it. I’ve bottled up a lot for a long time.

OP posts:
RoachFish · 21/09/2024 13:00

I haven’t read the whole OP but if he’s only going to the evening do can’t he spend the day at home with the kids, tidy up, get dinner going and travel the half hour it takes to get there? It might be easier for him to stay over after as he probably won’t be very useful the day after but he could come home at midday or something so you FIL can leave.

Mum5net · 21/09/2024 13:04

OP, you have young very hands-on DC, a stressful job, three dogs and a man child.
You are a miracle worker, no wonder you are exhausted.
if your DH left, would he take the three dogs with him?
This would be my perfect solution for you, so you can concentrate on the most important areas of your life and gain some enjoyment. At 30, you need to prioritise you and your young family.

Aroastdinnerisnotahumanright · 21/09/2024 13:13

He sounds like an utter twat. Booking the hotel behind your back, making you pay for the kids' clothes, blaming you for a head injury while you were on another floor, four-day stag do when you don't go out ever, etc etc.

Boulevardofhopefuldreams · 21/09/2024 13:16

@RoachFish That’s okay, I appreciate I just couldn’t stop rambling once I uncorked it.
Those are good suggestions and more what I had in mind had he discussed it properly and offered some help to make it easier.
That could be done without the need for FIL as I could come home slightly earlier to take over from DH and he could then go.
What it will turn into as with every other occasion is and he’s stated the intention of, is to have FIL there all day to look after 1 year old / pick up DS from school so he can focus on getting ready and then them all going over there earlier to meet up/drink before the evening do.

OP posts:
RoachFish · 21/09/2024 13:21

Boulevardofhopefuldreams · 21/09/2024 13:16

@RoachFish That’s okay, I appreciate I just couldn’t stop rambling once I uncorked it.
Those are good suggestions and more what I had in mind had he discussed it properly and offered some help to make it easier.
That could be done without the need for FIL as I could come home slightly earlier to take over from DH and he could then go.
What it will turn into as with every other occasion is and he’s stated the intention of, is to have FIL there all day to look after 1 year old / pick up DS from school so he can focus on getting ready and then them all going over there earlier to meet up/drink before the evening do.

Aha, well then he’s just unreasonable and his refusal to find a compromise doesn’t help his case at all. He sounds like a selfish dick.

AlertCat · 21/09/2024 13:27

It sounds as if this is someone so entitled that he has no sense of responsibility for any of his actions, from picking up his stuff to parenting his own children, let alone any sense of responsibility towards his partner or father.

You also mention him wanting to get ready and go out to start drinking; is alcohol an issue in his behaviour at all? I don’t think you’re being unreasonable here, I think he is incredibly self centred.

I’m struggling to see why you would want to stay. It sounds as if you get no time for your own self expression or relaxation; what positive things does he bring to your life? If you struggle to think of any, maybe you would actually have more free time without him (this has happened to me twice on leaving relationships).

AgnesX · 21/09/2024 13:28

Icanflyhigh · 21/09/2024 12:14

If you'd been invited too, would this be quite the issue that it is?

Sorry but I think YABU over one night.

This is just one issue of many and by the sounds of it might be the final or nearly final straw.

You must have missed the bit where they don't have much money, where the OP carries the load and the partner is an idle selfish sod who doesn't pull his weight.

TomatoSandwiches · 21/09/2024 13:34

He only thinks about himself and always will, there is no compromise, just ehat he wants and fuck you all.

I'd not want to stay married to that.

Peridot1 · 21/09/2024 13:41

I think I remember another post by you a while ago. Something to do with you working from home one afternoon (which he had agreed to) and he wouldn’t keep the children away from you?

He sounded like an immature selfish arsehole then too.

Codlingmoths · 21/09/2024 13:46

I would sit down right now and book yourself two nights the weekend after the wedding. He had his 4 day stag, now wants another night. Tell him if you take another two nights shortly after and then book a 5th you understand it would be controlling of him to object, and when you get back, the state of the house will make a big difference in how you’re feeling about your marriage.

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