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Is it controlling to ask DH to come home?

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Boulevardofhopefuldreams · 21/09/2024 12:06

Sorry for length - I don’t have anyone else I can really share this with, sadly so once I start….

DH has been invited to the evening of a wedding 30 minutes away. It’s someone whom he classes as a very good friend but he’s not been invited to the wedding itself which he’s upset about, because his wife to be wants to invite the partners of a couple of friends invited to the day, so there isn’t room for him, despite the groom assuring DH he tried to fight his case to have him there over them. A few other, not as close to groom, friends are in the same position of just being invited to the evening without partners. The wedding is midweek.
As the friends don’t have children, they’ve decided to book a hotel near the venue to stay in afterwards. DH told me a while ago this was their plan and he wanted to discuss my thoughts on him doing it too. I shared that I wouldn’t be too pleased with this -

*We have no childcare aside from FIL, who’s just had a knee replacement and wedding is only a short few weeks away. He’s expecting FIL to have our 1 year old all day, collect 4 year old from school and then me finish work to take over. 1 year old does go to nursery twice (funded set days now) but this isn’t one of her days.
I work in a very difficult and stressful job which has been really getting to me of late, which DH knows. I come home exhausted and just want to cry. I’d be coming in from work with extra jobs than usual, rightly so, because I can’t expect FIL to be tidying round and sorting things out too much.

*Our 1 year old is a sleeping nightmare the second she realises something isn’t ‘normal’. DH has only recently came back from a 4 day stag do abroad where she spent most nights screaming for hours, asking for him. The thought of being at work all day, to be up for hours, to then have to get up really early to rush round getting them both up and ready for FIL to come again, to go to work on limited sleep, is filling me with anxiety. I don’t think it’s fair for FIL to be doing that much either, whilst he recovers. The next is also a really important day for me at work as it’s when I take on new clients and have to risk assess etc so need to be ‘on it’ and can’t take time away.
It would be more helpful IMO for him to go, have a lovely civilised time and come home so he can help in the morning. When DD was a baby she’d scream for hours every day and night which ruined my MH so when it happens now, I go back to that place.

The discussion didn’t go well but no more was said about it for weeks. Earlier this week, when I was organising our family e-calendar, I asked him about it. He then told me he’d booked and paid for the hotel and wasn’t going to tell me unless it was brought up again.

I tried to communicate to him that this wasn’t the best way to deal with something and quite frankly annoyed me that he’d be sneaky about it rather than say something like, it’s getting booked, I want to go but can we discuss a compromise or anything that could make it easier on you.

It was completely turned on me in that I’m trying to control him, he’d be having to miss out, he doesn’t want to get a taxi alone and it will be too expensive. I’ve checked and it will cost about £30, the same price as the hotel. He sees having to come back home as a major inconvenience to him vs the minor inconvenience to me. He then started protesting lots about how it’s clearly because I don’t trust him and how the wedding will finish after 12:30 and then they might want to go to the casino or out after.
Just to add, we struggle with disposable money, don’t have nights out for us and I’ve never had a night out for nearly a year, where I still came home after.
He berated me for trying to be a victim and essentially how he’s so badly done to because he doesn’t go on every drinking meet up with the friends (who’re childless) and it must be because I want him chained to the house, then started comparing me to all the other partners who don’t have an issue or they must just put up and shut up.

He can see his friends whenever he wants and often meets them for coffee etc and they have a group chat that’s always going, where they put on weekly football group bets so he’s not kept away from them by any means. He seems to not be bothered about us doing things but if the possibility of not going out with friends is on the table, he gets very defensive and angry. When pregnant with DD, I started developing PGP and could barely walk on a day he was due to go out day drinking. I asked if he could consider not going to help me with DS or compromise and come home earlier, to which he stormed around the house bellowing (scaring DS) and then went anyway, not coming back earlier.

For more context, I have ADHD so experience life differently and struggle with constant perfectionism vs never feeling good enough. My work involves taking on lots of others’ trauma and problems when this year has been quite frankly awful for me mentally - developing a near fatal health condition after birth, all of the impact of DD as a smaller baby with the screaming (undiagnosed allergy) and the DA perp my DM used to be married to, turned up as a volunteer at my work so I had all the impact of reliving that and reporting him (which happened twice as they promised to remove him once and failed to do so).

I pride myself on being a present parent and put my all into teaching and playing with the children so they are fairly obsessed with me which is lovely but exhausting too as they usually only want me.

I think to be honest this is the latest tip of the iceberg for me as I’m finding I’m becoming resentful of DH. I take on the lions share of the housework and mental planning; down to weekly meal plans (including the weekly shopping list), buying toys and books for the children, arranging with relatives what to get them for special occasions, buying their clothes/organising their wardrobes when they’re needing new sizes and organising the life admin of appointments (we also have 3 dogs who I organise all appointments for), phonics practice etc as well as planning where to go for days out as we’d just end up sat in the house doing nothing (him sat on the sofa barely interacting).
It’s only recently he’s started financially contributing to the children’s clothes as before he said me getting the child benefit to my account was for me to do it.
He’ll make a huge mess with the children in one room, won’t tidy up with them and then moves to another room where even more mess is created and it’s then on me to tidy up. Instead of washing up when it’s manageable, throughout the day he’ll just pile more and more dirty pots up until it’s a huge mess because he knows I can’t stand it and will usually ‘cave’ first.

DH by contrast isn’t a hardworking dad that needs a rest and seems to have gone from fairly tolerable to impossible since having the children. He wanders around leaving mess and clothes wherever he goes; imagine living with a teenage boy. He wears a pair of shorts, changes out of them, then leaves both pairs of bottoms strewn about, dirty socks and pants left on the floor or used wrappers and glasses in the home office. I’ve told him many times this is disrespectful as I’m not his parent and asked him to stop.

He gets to WFH most days a week which is a very relaxed role. He’s doing a qualification at the moment which involves many assignments. He procrastinates until the last minute, then panics and wants to shut himself away for hours in home time and leave me with the children, rather than organise work time to do it. He does some cooking and likes to use this as proof of him doing lots but this can only happen because I’ve planned the meal, done the list and even put a recipe if needed, into the family planner app.

I have to ask him for days to do one household job. He constantly comes up with ideas and ‘whims’ that never come to anything or says something needs doing, to put it on a list but then will never action it. He’ll open a letter and leave it out because it needs him to do something, but never do it and never put it away (we have a filing system).
When it’s just the children and I, everything is tidy and clean and I’m coming to realise he just adds to my stress and the mess.

DH had never lived alone (bar uni which was just a giant drink fest from what he tells me) whereas I moved out at an early age and feel living with him has made me lose so much of my previously capable and confident self as he took on all of the financial account organisation, then likes to berate me for not having anything to do with it.

If I ask for help with something that needs planning or purchasing e.g DS needs his bedroom completing revamping and new furniture, or a holiday for his birthday, I’m doing it alone as he’s no help. He just seems to wander around in his own world, incapable of doing anything. Not excusing but I’ve started to think he’s got ADHD too and he agreed he seems to but is doing nothing about looking into assessment. He constantly wants to put blame on me for things for my ADHD or do things to trigger it, when I’m very open about what does.

I know lots of people would wonder why I tolerate this but I have very little self-esteem and worry about not seeing the children every day and him having an ‘unsupervised’ role with them. Just yesterday, he decided to find a ‘hack’ video for a different way to cut an orange so instead of just quickly peeling an orange for DD with her, got all consumed in this video and cutting up an orange, wasn’t watching DD and she managed to pull her very big highchair over onto her head resulting in a big egg and a bruise.
He then started getting very angry at me saying it was completely unavoidable but also saying it wouldn’t have happened if I hadn’t been ‘fannying’ around upstairs (I was actually putting the children’s washing onto the airer which he knew).
I had to instruct him to get ice out for her and had to demand he ring 111 multiple times for advice to make sure she didn’t need to be checked out, whilst I sat icing her head, as I hadn’t seen what had happened. He refused a few times saying he’d just Google it and wasn’t taking advice off someone in a call centre.

I’m sorry about how long this was! If you read it and have advice, thank you.

As I say, I know others may say I’d be happier/better separated but I have my worries and if I was to, I’d have no idea where to start or what the ‘process’ would be.

OP posts:
GingerPirate · 21/09/2024 13:48

First - sorry you feel like this, your workload seems immense and unfair.
Second - I also struggle with perfectionism and probably Asperger's, but I never had children and married for convenience.
And third, you would be better off without that husband of yours, if anything, there would be less anxiety for you.
❤️

Bestyearever2024 · 21/09/2024 13:49

Honestly? Get rid of the man baby twat ASAP

llamali · 21/09/2024 13:56

So he was ok to go anyway? Just the overnight that's bugging you? If so I think that's unreasonable as it's just one morning you'll have to do it all yourself? Loads of people manage longer than that.

All the rest of it..I'd speak to your counsellor as there's a lot to unpack there and nothing favorable about your husband at all. Do you even like him?

ThirstyThursday · 21/09/2024 13:57

@Boulevardofhopefuldreams

He'd be gone if it were me. Hes a selfish arse.

i would think anyone saying YABU probably didn't read your whole post..

How long ago did your FIL have his knee replacement? My Mum had hers in May. She'd be fine now to collect the 4 year old & watch them gor a few hours, but not the 1 year old. She wouldn't be able to lift them (she is 82 though, but very fit & able before the knee replacement)

llamali · 21/09/2024 13:58

My work involves taking on lots of others’ trauma and problems I'd also consider a career break or career change as it sounds like you have a lot on your own plate at the moment to deal with.

sunflowersngunpowdr · 21/09/2024 14:03

Weekend after book yourself in to hotel for the night for a nice break. Don't tell him. Unless he asks. If he complaints tell him that he is controlling.

Gcsunnyside23 · 21/09/2024 14:06

Ive read a previous post of yours before op, well I think. The one where he keeps letting the kids up where you're working and then being really passive aggressive and telling the kids you don't want to see them? He was an arsehole on that thread and he's one now too. The wedding is the straw breaking you, he constantly tries to gaslight you and takes little responsibility for family life. His father is elderly, already helping with very young kids but now will also be recovering from knee surgery, why isn't he concerned how his dad will cope? OP he just wants to do what he wants regardless, I think you know things won't change. I think you should think long about if this relationship is making things worse mentally for you and what does he bring in a positive way to your lives

Mum5net · 21/09/2024 14:17

Maybe, OP, he has crossed your line.
If it's not now, then it's not far off.
Your plan for the next stage can start today.
You don't need to say anything today.
Just start reading the long running threads on the Relationship board and make notes as you go. Copy some of the advice.
Sending you an extra gear of strength, encouragement and positivity.

Schoolchoicesucks · 21/09/2024 14:41

So with the wedding - if it's only 30 minutes away and he's just invited to the evening, then is there not a compromise where he stays overnight but comes back mid-morning to care for the DC so your FIL only has to cover for a couple of hours? Not sure why FIL would have to do all day until you are back from work.

Who usually cares for the DC when your DH is wfh and you are working and it's not a nursery day?

Whether this is the last straw, maybe, I'm afraid OP was too long for me.

Treesinthewind · 21/09/2024 14:46

Is he also neurodivergent? A lot of his behaviours sound like they could be caused by adhd or autistic hyper fixation.

Fastback · 21/09/2024 15:37

He’s a selfish, nasty waste of space.

Bearbookagainandagain · 21/09/2024 15:42

On situations like this, if he really wants to go:

  • you book an extra session for the 1 yo at nursery on that day and get FIL to help a minimum if willing to
  • or if you can't afford the extra nursery, you take a day off.

You need to find a way to allow each other to go to those exceptional events. Everyone needs a break at some point... And he should definitely reciprocate for you.

Gemmy96 · 21/09/2024 16:04

Not unreasonable at all. Does diddums want to go to the casino after the wedding? Too bad, he can't afford it. Seriously needs to grow up. And it's incredibly rude not to invite partners imo.

Boulevardofhopefuldreams · 21/09/2024 17:21

Thank you everyone. Will try and respond to comments made.
Yes the WFH/mummy doesn’t want you was me, I had to make a new account as I’m useless at keeping sorted with them.

I’ve suggested he look further into ADHD and he’s said he thinks he does have ‘something’ but won’t do anything to get the ball rolling.
Where mine is concerned though, he’ll purposely it seems, do everything that’s a trigger so when I’m finally all built up internally after hours of overstimulation and need to just go and have a quick 5 minutes in some silence to reset on occasion, he’ll make a snide comment about me going off in a strop or leaving him to do everything. I feel like a tense, coiled up spring constantly and like I’ve lost myself.

It feels like he’s got me in this state of feeling so unconfident and that I can’t manage because I’m always so ground down. I often wonder if I could be back to my old self without extra burdens. He’ll always tell me things are too expensive and we can’t have extra nursery days.

He’s just had the stag do not long ago which was 4 days, this and then a couple of weeks after the wedding, has also put some other drinking social event with his friends in the calendar.
There’s also another 4 day stag do at the start of next year which he’s paid towards already, without having a chat with me about. After the last one, he said he’d never leave them for that long again as DS got upset on a video call and couldn’t understand why DH couldn’t just come home but now has started to backtrack. He actually said last night I was weaponising the children against him by video calling him on their wish to see/speak to him and purposely trying to ruin his time.

I don’t do anything for me aside from an hour a month to get my nails done. I can’t do my hobby of choice at the moment as it’s too expensive and I have that awful mum guilt for leaving them.
I feel like I have 3 children. On DS’ first full day of school, I agreed I’d get up early to take DD to nursery with the intent of coming back to take DS. I had to ring DH after 8am on the way back to wake him up as he hadn’t thought to set an alarm to get either of them up or ready so DS was nearly late.

I’m off sick from work at the moment as the stress has been too much and I just need chance to put my own head back on. I am absolutely using this time to look at changing job roles too as I’ve worked in the sector for many years and it has a shelf life for your own sanity. I will need to probably go back but he’s talking that I should just stay off sick anyway so the wedding won’t be a problem as I won’t be there.

FIL had the knee replacement coming up 2 weeks I think. DS would be fine as he’s quite self sufficient but I wouldn’t see it as fair for DD as she’s in the exploring everything/climbing phase.

OP posts:
SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 21/09/2024 17:26

It's not controlling to want him to come home, but there might be a solution that means you get some support at home and he also gets to enjoy his friend's celebration without rushing back. I've had a knee replacement too and I'm astonished your FIL is managing so much activity a few weeks into recovery. Oh - I've just read your post again and he hasn't had the replacement yet. Honestly, I could barely look after myself for the first few weeks, let alone a baby. The operated leg hardly bends at all and you're on lots of strong drugs which only partly reduce the pain. You move very slowly and clumsily, and tripping up is a disaster and can damage the prosthesis so the operation needs repeating. You can't safely carry an infant at first.

You need more help, either a family member or friend or paid person to come in for a few hours a day and do some chores and childcare for you.

Boulevardofhopefuldreams · 21/09/2024 17:28

All his life, aside from moving in with me and uni, he’d lived at home and had everything done for him. He was able to go out as much as he wanted and every weekend was always for seeing friends/drink.
I genuinely don’t think he understands that things have to change when you have a family and whilst I’d never expect someone to stay in the house constantly, your family finances and children come first when you have people that it impacts on.

He admits to playing games such as leaving something somewhere just to see how long it would be until I moved it. He’ll go into a cupboard and just ransack it in the pursuit of what he needs. I feel triggered from all angles!

I do love him but I feel this resentment setting in that he can’t even meet me halfway and I feel so disrespected so yes, I think the arguments over the wedding, which I’m
prepared to accept maybe isn’t an issue in isolation, is just the tip of things.

OP posts:
Boulevardofhopefuldreams · 21/09/2024 17:38

@SoNiceToComeHomeTo Sorry for not being too clear. He had the operation coming up 2 weeks ago I think. Wedding is only in a couple more. I’ve been off work so he hasn’t been looking after the children but is still having nurses coming to change the dressing and has been doing physio/trying to start walking without sticks. He still moves very gingerly so I appreciate your experience. He also needs his other knee doing once this has healed.

DH set the childcare account up in his name, amongst many other things and says we can’t afford extra days. I think he’s expecting it will all be fine but it doesn’t sit well with me putting so much onto FIL as 1 year olds are not light and she still needs constant following and supervision.
His plan is that FIL has DD the day of the wedding (he’d never entertain just going for the start time, he’ll be wanting to travel up early with them all for pre wedding drinks), I finish work (which is usually tea time but DS will be at school and need collecting) and then FIL comes back around for 8:30am the next day to take DD again until he decides to appear back home.

He refuses to discuss anything with me aside from telling me I’m controlling so any points like asking if I could take time off work etc, are never brought into the arena or he leaves it right to the last minute when nothing can be done.

OP posts:
jsku · 21/09/2024 17:44

OP - i have ADHD, and so are a few close friends - so this is not coming from a position of ignorance Please do not blame (or explain) everything you struggle with in life or relationship on ‘the diagnosis’.

You do need to actively manage yourself and your life - and get help if it becomes too much. Or if you lose perspective.

Your post - pages and pages of it is over the top and unfair. It is one night, You must be able to handle most of it on your own, and modify schedule - not tidy, for eg - to assist you.
He, of course also needs to make some adjustments - as the wedding is nearby and he is only going in the evening - why cant HE look after little one in the day?? Etc
I think if you discussed this as partners, rather than warring factions - you’d find a solution that does not have quite the level of drama this generated.

Mickey79 · 21/09/2024 17:54

In relation to the wedding night and overnight stay, I’d have just booked annual leave to make it all less stressful. Then you wouldn’t be relying on someone else providing child care, especially when they’ve recently had a knee replacement. One parent going away overnight really shouldn’t be a big deal.

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llamali · 21/09/2024 18:03

Mickey79 · 21/09/2024 17:54

In relation to the wedding night and overnight stay, I’d have just booked annual leave to make it all less stressful. Then you wouldn’t be relying on someone else providing child care, especially when they’ve recently had a knee replacement. One parent going away overnight really shouldn’t be a big deal.

Yeah I don't know why op didn't just do that when the invite was sent out

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 21/09/2024 18:04

Boulevardofhopefuldreams · 21/09/2024 17:38

@SoNiceToComeHomeTo Sorry for not being too clear. He had the operation coming up 2 weeks ago I think. Wedding is only in a couple more. I’ve been off work so he hasn’t been looking after the children but is still having nurses coming to change the dressing and has been doing physio/trying to start walking without sticks. He still moves very gingerly so I appreciate your experience. He also needs his other knee doing once this has healed.

DH set the childcare account up in his name, amongst many other things and says we can’t afford extra days. I think he’s expecting it will all be fine but it doesn’t sit well with me putting so much onto FIL as 1 year olds are not light and she still needs constant following and supervision.
His plan is that FIL has DD the day of the wedding (he’d never entertain just going for the start time, he’ll be wanting to travel up early with them all for pre wedding drinks), I finish work (which is usually tea time but DS will be at school and need collecting) and then FIL comes back around for 8:30am the next day to take DD again until he decides to appear back home.

He refuses to discuss anything with me aside from telling me I’m controlling so any points like asking if I could take time off work etc, are never brought into the arena or he leaves it right to the last minute when nothing can be done.

Thanks for explaining that. He calls you controlling for needing to talk about the detail of these arrangements and to put your point of view and plan ahead. Not helpful at all, and undermining for you.

Sorry to go on about it, but please don't let your FIL try to look after your baby on his own until he's definitely mobile and steady enough, which could take weeks or even months. It will be unsafe for both of them, and nobody needs more stress. If your DS is reasonably responsible and obedient, he should be OK with his granddad.

Boulevardofhopefuldreams · 21/09/2024 18:25

@Mickey79 That would be all well and good but DH only got a WhatsApp message to invite him so no physical invite I could ‘look at’. They changed the wedding plans including venue last minute and when I asked DH a few times when it was, he’d say he didn’t know or couldn’t remember. Whenever I try and discuss anything in advance to make such plans, he’s always extremely vague or ‘doesn’t know’.
Our AL has to be booked in advance and mine has all been used up so I’d have to take a flexi day.

OP posts:
DadJoke · 21/09/2024 18:40

He sounds very tiring. How much child care does he do?

HundredMilesAnHour · 21/09/2024 20:57

You married a child. A spoilt one at that. He isn't going to change. He's living his best life and you're doing all the work. And it's (understandably) breaking you. This isn't a marriage nor is it a partnership. Yet you seem to have no intention of leaving him or even considering it. This man is destroying you. He doesn't love you. You don't treat someone you love like this. He only loves himself.