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Is it controlling to ask DH to come home?

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Boulevardofhopefuldreams · 21/09/2024 12:06

Sorry for length - I don’t have anyone else I can really share this with, sadly so once I start….

DH has been invited to the evening of a wedding 30 minutes away. It’s someone whom he classes as a very good friend but he’s not been invited to the wedding itself which he’s upset about, because his wife to be wants to invite the partners of a couple of friends invited to the day, so there isn’t room for him, despite the groom assuring DH he tried to fight his case to have him there over them. A few other, not as close to groom, friends are in the same position of just being invited to the evening without partners. The wedding is midweek.
As the friends don’t have children, they’ve decided to book a hotel near the venue to stay in afterwards. DH told me a while ago this was their plan and he wanted to discuss my thoughts on him doing it too. I shared that I wouldn’t be too pleased with this -

*We have no childcare aside from FIL, who’s just had a knee replacement and wedding is only a short few weeks away. He’s expecting FIL to have our 1 year old all day, collect 4 year old from school and then me finish work to take over. 1 year old does go to nursery twice (funded set days now) but this isn’t one of her days.
I work in a very difficult and stressful job which has been really getting to me of late, which DH knows. I come home exhausted and just want to cry. I’d be coming in from work with extra jobs than usual, rightly so, because I can’t expect FIL to be tidying round and sorting things out too much.

*Our 1 year old is a sleeping nightmare the second she realises something isn’t ‘normal’. DH has only recently came back from a 4 day stag do abroad where she spent most nights screaming for hours, asking for him. The thought of being at work all day, to be up for hours, to then have to get up really early to rush round getting them both up and ready for FIL to come again, to go to work on limited sleep, is filling me with anxiety. I don’t think it’s fair for FIL to be doing that much either, whilst he recovers. The next is also a really important day for me at work as it’s when I take on new clients and have to risk assess etc so need to be ‘on it’ and can’t take time away.
It would be more helpful IMO for him to go, have a lovely civilised time and come home so he can help in the morning. When DD was a baby she’d scream for hours every day and night which ruined my MH so when it happens now, I go back to that place.

The discussion didn’t go well but no more was said about it for weeks. Earlier this week, when I was organising our family e-calendar, I asked him about it. He then told me he’d booked and paid for the hotel and wasn’t going to tell me unless it was brought up again.

I tried to communicate to him that this wasn’t the best way to deal with something and quite frankly annoyed me that he’d be sneaky about it rather than say something like, it’s getting booked, I want to go but can we discuss a compromise or anything that could make it easier on you.

It was completely turned on me in that I’m trying to control him, he’d be having to miss out, he doesn’t want to get a taxi alone and it will be too expensive. I’ve checked and it will cost about £30, the same price as the hotel. He sees having to come back home as a major inconvenience to him vs the minor inconvenience to me. He then started protesting lots about how it’s clearly because I don’t trust him and how the wedding will finish after 12:30 and then they might want to go to the casino or out after.
Just to add, we struggle with disposable money, don’t have nights out for us and I’ve never had a night out for nearly a year, where I still came home after.
He berated me for trying to be a victim and essentially how he’s so badly done to because he doesn’t go on every drinking meet up with the friends (who’re childless) and it must be because I want him chained to the house, then started comparing me to all the other partners who don’t have an issue or they must just put up and shut up.

He can see his friends whenever he wants and often meets them for coffee etc and they have a group chat that’s always going, where they put on weekly football group bets so he’s not kept away from them by any means. He seems to not be bothered about us doing things but if the possibility of not going out with friends is on the table, he gets very defensive and angry. When pregnant with DD, I started developing PGP and could barely walk on a day he was due to go out day drinking. I asked if he could consider not going to help me with DS or compromise and come home earlier, to which he stormed around the house bellowing (scaring DS) and then went anyway, not coming back earlier.

For more context, I have ADHD so experience life differently and struggle with constant perfectionism vs never feeling good enough. My work involves taking on lots of others’ trauma and problems when this year has been quite frankly awful for me mentally - developing a near fatal health condition after birth, all of the impact of DD as a smaller baby with the screaming (undiagnosed allergy) and the DA perp my DM used to be married to, turned up as a volunteer at my work so I had all the impact of reliving that and reporting him (which happened twice as they promised to remove him once and failed to do so).

I pride myself on being a present parent and put my all into teaching and playing with the children so they are fairly obsessed with me which is lovely but exhausting too as they usually only want me.

I think to be honest this is the latest tip of the iceberg for me as I’m finding I’m becoming resentful of DH. I take on the lions share of the housework and mental planning; down to weekly meal plans (including the weekly shopping list), buying toys and books for the children, arranging with relatives what to get them for special occasions, buying their clothes/organising their wardrobes when they’re needing new sizes and organising the life admin of appointments (we also have 3 dogs who I organise all appointments for), phonics practice etc as well as planning where to go for days out as we’d just end up sat in the house doing nothing (him sat on the sofa barely interacting).
It’s only recently he’s started financially contributing to the children’s clothes as before he said me getting the child benefit to my account was for me to do it.
He’ll make a huge mess with the children in one room, won’t tidy up with them and then moves to another room where even more mess is created and it’s then on me to tidy up. Instead of washing up when it’s manageable, throughout the day he’ll just pile more and more dirty pots up until it’s a huge mess because he knows I can’t stand it and will usually ‘cave’ first.

DH by contrast isn’t a hardworking dad that needs a rest and seems to have gone from fairly tolerable to impossible since having the children. He wanders around leaving mess and clothes wherever he goes; imagine living with a teenage boy. He wears a pair of shorts, changes out of them, then leaves both pairs of bottoms strewn about, dirty socks and pants left on the floor or used wrappers and glasses in the home office. I’ve told him many times this is disrespectful as I’m not his parent and asked him to stop.

He gets to WFH most days a week which is a very relaxed role. He’s doing a qualification at the moment which involves many assignments. He procrastinates until the last minute, then panics and wants to shut himself away for hours in home time and leave me with the children, rather than organise work time to do it. He does some cooking and likes to use this as proof of him doing lots but this can only happen because I’ve planned the meal, done the list and even put a recipe if needed, into the family planner app.

I have to ask him for days to do one household job. He constantly comes up with ideas and ‘whims’ that never come to anything or says something needs doing, to put it on a list but then will never action it. He’ll open a letter and leave it out because it needs him to do something, but never do it and never put it away (we have a filing system).
When it’s just the children and I, everything is tidy and clean and I’m coming to realise he just adds to my stress and the mess.

DH had never lived alone (bar uni which was just a giant drink fest from what he tells me) whereas I moved out at an early age and feel living with him has made me lose so much of my previously capable and confident self as he took on all of the financial account organisation, then likes to berate me for not having anything to do with it.

If I ask for help with something that needs planning or purchasing e.g DS needs his bedroom completing revamping and new furniture, or a holiday for his birthday, I’m doing it alone as he’s no help. He just seems to wander around in his own world, incapable of doing anything. Not excusing but I’ve started to think he’s got ADHD too and he agreed he seems to but is doing nothing about looking into assessment. He constantly wants to put blame on me for things for my ADHD or do things to trigger it, when I’m very open about what does.

I know lots of people would wonder why I tolerate this but I have very little self-esteem and worry about not seeing the children every day and him having an ‘unsupervised’ role with them. Just yesterday, he decided to find a ‘hack’ video for a different way to cut an orange so instead of just quickly peeling an orange for DD with her, got all consumed in this video and cutting up an orange, wasn’t watching DD and she managed to pull her very big highchair over onto her head resulting in a big egg and a bruise.
He then started getting very angry at me saying it was completely unavoidable but also saying it wouldn’t have happened if I hadn’t been ‘fannying’ around upstairs (I was actually putting the children’s washing onto the airer which he knew).
I had to instruct him to get ice out for her and had to demand he ring 111 multiple times for advice to make sure she didn’t need to be checked out, whilst I sat icing her head, as I hadn’t seen what had happened. He refused a few times saying he’d just Google it and wasn’t taking advice off someone in a call centre.

I’m sorry about how long this was! If you read it and have advice, thank you.

As I say, I know others may say I’d be happier/better separated but I have my worries and if I was to, I’d have no idea where to start or what the ‘process’ would be.

OP posts:
MaineHatton · 22/09/2024 22:25

OP, you've stated that your DH is married to someone with a mental illness, who has given a one-sided story of frustration over a disagreement relating to a taxi versus hotel conclusion to his night out and followed on with further one-sided details of frustration, and the majority of responses on here are extremely critical of him, with many more suggesting that you should leave him ...

Bravo Mumsnet Masses !

Please don't let these replies influence your decisions regarding the future of your family. It seems that there are so many on here determined to destroy the family lives of anyone foolish enough to open their hearts to bitter, misandric strangers hiding behind a keyboard and waiting in the wings.

It's about communication and connection.

CosyLemur · 25/09/2024 10:00

Yes you're controlling! He's organised his dad to help out. It's not his fault you don't like your child crying FFS! Grow up!

JRM17 · 25/09/2024 10:10

He sounds lazy, you sound controlling and overbearing ("we have a filling system" FFS). I think you REALLY need to get a grip and lighten up, you seem to have turned one night away in to some kind of "lads weekend", he's only going to the night time so he's at home nearly all of the day probably getting ready about 5 to leave about 6, then he's away ONE NIGHT and will be home by about midday the following day. You are blowing this all out of proportion and need to give yourself a little shake. Also all the other stuff (buying kids clothes, organising meals, organising celebration gifts etc) this to me is just normal life I do exactly the same in my house.

DecayedStrumpet · 25/09/2024 11:13

CosyLemur · 25/09/2024 10:00

Yes you're controlling! He's organised his dad to help out. It's not his fault you don't like your child crying FFS! Grow up!

Except his dad can't help out because he's just had knee surgery. It's not OPs fault you can't read more than two paragraphs FFS!

OP this sounds like a nightmare (the whole thing not just the wedding)

"Not remembering" what day the wedding is was actually him controlling you - you couldn't make any comment or get anything organised till he actually coughed up the date.

I've got to say that my unhelpful reaction on reading your first post was... Why the hell do you have three dogs?! 😳

pogostickplastique · 25/09/2024 11:28

Can I just say, I had one like this. I too have ADHD & Autism (only recently diagnosed) and 2 children who are the same. I too had a partner who was a lazy, useless, selfish, incapable partner and father and a consistent destroyer of routines. I live where I have/had no family or help other than his family and also felt stressed, isolated and like I had no choices (I’d made my bed and had to lie in it)
however, 3 years ago I got rid and the first few months were hard however now I am absolutely 100% sure it was the right decision.

He now has them every other weekend. He has been forced to step up with them - although I have to just let some things slide and remember that it’s unlikely they’ll consume any veg whilst they’re with him. My house is now my haven after years of it being my prison. My life is a million times less stressful knowing all the jobs are mine rather than thinking things are being done that aren’t.
I the also went on to meet my wonderful partner (who is definitely not going to live with me haha it’s my haven now)
and life is good. I’m saying this not to gloat but to hopefully give you hope that there is another side to this and you’re not stuck. I don’t say this lightly but honestly, LTB. He’s a twat

BlondeAussie · 25/09/2024 12:40

In answer to your title question "Is it controlling to ask DH to come home?".... it's not so much "controlling" as unreasonable and essentially pointless for him to do so. If the wedding will only finish at 12.30am, even if he left then, by the time he got a taxi and arrived home it would be well after 1am. At this point you would have already done all the dinner and bedtime routines and you should all be in bed.

It's reasonable to expect you to look after your own children for one night, especially as he would be "back" for so little of it.

So, the hotel is a sensible option.

As for the rest of your post, there are enough issues here for 3 or 4 "Mumsnet" questions. After the wedding is over the two of you really need to sit down and get on the same page about many things: division of household chores, fair responsibility of caring for the children, household cleanliness, whether there are compromises that can be made on all sides (including his procrastination and your perfectionism), whether your current job is working for you and so on. In addition, the poor sleep of the 1 year old also needs addressing for everyone's sanity.

It seems like you are just spinning with multiple stresses and can't see the wood for the trees. Breathe. Best wishes to you.

Zzey · 25/09/2024 12:59

MaineHatton · 22/09/2024 22:25

OP, you've stated that your DH is married to someone with a mental illness, who has given a one-sided story of frustration over a disagreement relating to a taxi versus hotel conclusion to his night out and followed on with further one-sided details of frustration, and the majority of responses on here are extremely critical of him, with many more suggesting that you should leave him ...

Bravo Mumsnet Masses !

Please don't let these replies influence your decisions regarding the future of your family. It seems that there are so many on here determined to destroy the family lives of anyone foolish enough to open their hearts to bitter, misandric strangers hiding behind a keyboard and waiting in the wings.

It's about communication and connection.

Yes definitely. I have had issues with my DH in the past, a couple the same as OPs but not as many, and I was so so close to leaving him... But I didn't want to ruin our family, I wanted to give it all I'd got first. So I started actually communicating with him and telling him what I'm feeling and what I actually mean..not hinting at things (as men don't get hints). Before this we'd both go quiet or walk away etc but now we're actually communicating properly, things have changed for the best (myself as well as him as I wasn't perfect either) and things are really great now.

I would also say, if you've already given it everything you've got, don't be afraid to leave as there will always be support from somewhere, and many people who have gone through the same thing. At the end of the day, do what's best for yourself and your children x

Apolloneuro · 25/09/2024 13:26

On the issue of the wedding, I think you’re being controlling. Take a flexi day, treat yourself to a takeaway and crack on. Nothing to make a big deal over.

However, of course there’s always a broader context. Don’t martyr yourself (do your hobby), don’t use your ADHD as an excuse for everything (and I say that as some recently diagnosed themselves) and tell your husband he needs to shape up or ship off.

SuperGreens · 25/09/2024 13:49

I'd just tell him the relationship is over. Sounds like that's what he wants anyway, no one who loves, cares for and respects their partner would behave like this, no adult anyway. Maybe that will snap him out of his current selfish destructive path, or maybe he'll just be relieved. Marriage and children isn't for everyone. And you shouldn't have to carry an adult passenger while caring for and raising children primarily on your own too. There used to be so much peace to be found on the other side of leaving these inadequate stunted men.

Nothingspecialhere · 25/09/2024 21:40

I feel so sad for you reading this. I can’t imagine how difficult it is for you navigating the world with a recent diagnosis of adhd and I totally understand that it’s not as simple as ‘just don’t tidy up’. That’s not how adhd works.
I feel like you are at a point of resentment now and maybe you do not feel the same way for your husband as you once did, but you worry for your future and not seeing your children.
I would not make any knee jerk decisions, but start reflecting on each day. What value did you add to each other today? Could you have done it alone? Did you receive emotional support today? Start looking at it from a factual perspective.
Start making sure you have a robust exit plan, if that’s what you decide upon. If there is a point of enough is enough, knowing you have next steps will really help.
Could it be you both need time as a couple? Would a few date nights help to reconnect?
No one can truly understand your life, but it sounds like you have the brunt end and are basically a single parent anyway. Good luck

GreenFields07 · 25/09/2024 21:48

OP you know deep down that you need to leave this relationship. Its not healthy, and I think we can all see here that the wedding isnt really the issue. You have another child, he's adding to the stress and mental / physical loads that you have to deal with on a daily basis. What value is he really adding to your life? What is he doing to make things easier for you? Its supposed to be a partnership but you dont have a partner. You sound miserable together. Its not easy but you really need to consider ending this marriage. Get your own home, where no one tells you how to live, no one makes you feel worthless. You dont need to rely on anyone thats just going to keep letting you down. Have your own space, your own schedule, do your own thing. A massive weight will be lifted when you do. Living like this is not how its supposed to be.

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