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Older b/f keeps telling me he feels guilty for taking me away from my DC

86 replies

FFSasusual · 21/09/2024 00:36

I’m in the earlyish stages of dating an older widowed man (61 years old but still very active, fit.) I’m 45 and divorced. I had a terrible abusive relationship and my DC father is now in jail for gang related murder. I have worked my way from nothing to affording private school for DC and a house and I am very proud of how independent I have become and what I have achieved.

I’ve known this man about a decade as a friend / acquaintance as we work in the same industry. His kids are grown up and left, and mine are still small-ish (under 10.) I really like him, we have a lot of fun, he’s consistent and kind and loving and the sex is good.

one thing that I just can’t understand is that he keeps saying he suffers from guilt when we are together because he feels he is taking me away from my young DC.

there have been a few versions of this over the time we have spent together. One where he cried because of memories he had of being a child and his mother struggling and leaving an abusive relationship with his father and then working and being the sole breadwinner (a story similar to mine) and his experience of wanting more of his mum but she was so stretched with work / DC and a boyfriend. Sometimes when we are having fun I feel that he “turns” in his head (he does not say anything but it’s like an shadow comes over his face / he looks haunted) and he internally admonishes me for being with him instead of my children. He likens me to his mother a lot and our stories - she is 98 and I have met her and like her!

to be clear, I don’t sacrifice time with my DC to be with him. I see him when they are in bed or when they are with their cousins (my sister and dparents are very active in helping with DC, I am very lucky in that sense,) I feel like he is processing something of his own and projecting it on to me. He insists that he is not and that from his vantage point (being a wise old owl at 61 and now grown up with DC who have flown the nest, his wisdom is that I need to spend every single moment with my DC now or I will regret it.)

is this a common thing those with small DC and dating a certain generation of man have experienced? I am struggling to understand it from his point of view and get annoyed sometimes and feel patronised that he is even deciding what I should feel guilty about. He is certainly enjoying the sex enough in our relationship to not let it go. Am I missing something here?

he loves his own DC deeply and wants to spend all the time he can with them. He has been deeply affected by his parents relationship and his own experience of his DC losing their mum. I am empathetic and admiring of all of that and appreciate his feelings but there is part of me that feels I have not come this far and built this much to be told how to feel about the balance of my life or guilt tripped. Or am I being a dick and he has a point?

he has asked to meet my DC as a friend and I allowed him in the context of being my friend and while my parents and Dsis were there too. He spent all his time with them, getting to know them, really demonstrating to me that he cared about them.

am I wrong to feel patronised? Has this happened to anyone else? Is this “guilt” a patriarchal / misogynist thing?

OP posts:
Catofthesouth · 21/09/2024 00:38

He’s trying to put you in ‘your place’ in my opinion. It would be something else if you were not a mum. Bin the fucker x

Polyp0 · 21/09/2024 00:42

He spent all his time with them, getting to know them, really demonstrating to me that he cared about them

Yuck. Was he trying to show you how to parent right? Because that is not how friends who just been introduced to someone's kids usually act.

Aquamarine1029 · 21/09/2024 00:43

You're only 45 years old and he's 61. Why would you do this to yourself? As an added bonus, he sounds like a twat.

Seaweed42 · 21/09/2024 00:44

Weird. Anyone should be happy you get a break to enjoy some time for yourself.

He's not happy for you to be enjoying yourself.
Don't be with someone like that.

Either that or he's trying to end things, but trying to make out he's doing it for your kids.

They'll all take sex if it's going.
Doesn't mean much unfortunately.

PollyDactyl · 21/09/2024 00:44

Urghhh throw him back. He has Mummy Issues.

Catofthesouth · 21/09/2024 00:45

And please remember that knowing someone for a long time does not reveal as much as you’d think it would. Especially when they are a work friend. Ignore that element and view him as though you knew nowt about him.

Regularmumandfriend · 21/09/2024 00:51

I think based purely on a gut feeling you should distance your self from this man. I don't think you or your very young vulnerable children need this baggage. The age gap will potentially leave you in a situation where you are caring for young and old at the same time. You deserve some one who will be young and free to enjoy life when your parental duties begin to lesssen. Don't be taken in by the years you have known eachother. It doesn't make you a match. I think that here will be some one much more suitable down the line. Please enjoy your children and your new life without complication or compromise.

prettydesertflower · 21/09/2024 00:58

Sorry OP - I think he just is not keen on being a step parent to younger kids and is trying to let you down by stealth. All the crying and dramatics is so he won’t look like the bad guy.

Doingmybest12 · 21/09/2024 01:01

Sounds like mind games, wanting you to feel bad , wanting to be near your children. All very odd. It sounds too complicated. He needs a counsellor if he needs to work through his issues, not be attaching himself to you and your children.

Mudflaps · 21/09/2024 01:36

He sounds like he has mother issues and needs counselling or he sees females as 'carers' who shouldn't have freedom to enjoy themselves away from family responsibilities. Either way I'd advise dumping him, any one attempting to make me feel guilty about my free time (which I absolutely believe is essential for sanity) gets the road. Also, the age difference will be an issue, he's already pressing his feelings on what you should be doing 'spending every minute with your children' ,on you, you'll be a carer for your children and him with nothing else if your not careful, his insistence on meeting your children and then showing you he really cared about them is pretty creepy too, like he's looking to replace his more grown children and deceased wife, do yourself and your children a favour and get rid of him.

ResultsMayVary · 21/09/2024 01:41

He seems to have no boundaries and is overstepping yours. Him pushing to see your kids and being so focused on them seems unhealthy at best, creepy at worst

He's not ready for a relationship.

I think you need to be clear that his focus on your kids needs is his issue and something he needs to resolve,

Ivegotaboneinmyleg · 21/09/2024 03:51

To me, he sounds a bit "haunted" by his past. He remembers how upset he felt as a child when his mother wasn't there and doesn't like being the "one making your children feel that way" in his mind. I also suspect that he asked to see your children to reassure himself that they were okay...These are his scars and hauntings - not yours. He needs to understand that, if he wants a relationship with you, he cannot apply his "ghosts" to your children as they aren't relevant to your children. I think that he is genuinely trying to make sure that your children are not secretly upset when you are with him but, in doing so, he is causing you irritation and doubt. You need to make this clear to him. Wishing you the best. 🌸

Pumpkindoodles · 21/09/2024 03:57

So he constantly brings up his childhood difficulties, judges you and he likens you (unfavourably) to his mother. Sexy.

suburberphobe · 21/09/2024 04:04

private school for DC and a house

Dump him; he wants your assets.

And a nurse with a purse.

61 years old but still very active, fit.) I’m 45 and divorced.

Wake up!

suburberphobe · 21/09/2024 04:09

And never marry a man like that.

Old men always look for younger women to take care of them.

Your children are your most precious gift.

JMSA · 21/09/2024 04:11

I don't think he's necessarily a bad guy. But he does sound damaged. And it's not on that he's guilt tripping you.

Mmhmmn · 21/09/2024 04:22

) I feel like he is processing something of his own and projecting it on to me

He is. Don’t be dragged into this man’s lifelong mother issues. Also as pp has said he’s trying to put you in your place. His unresolved toxic shit doesn’t need to be affecting you at this point, you’ve come too far. If you still feel you want an honest view of your parenting, ask your sibling but there it is - HIS stuff has got inside your head.

Bgfe · 21/09/2024 04:34

Did he spend ‘every minute’ with his own children or was that the sainted late wife’s job?

Sounds like he doesn’t really approve of your choices and has fixed ideas of how women should be. Plus he’s too old for you. 60 is a bit of a cliff edge for many people as they often move into a new life stage.

olympicsrock · 21/09/2024 04:48

I’m sorry to say the relationship is not a good one in the long term. You have gone from an abusive man to want that wants to control you.
He has some real issues with his mother and dead wife and is projecting these onto you.

barnefri · 21/09/2024 05:16

prettydesertflower · 21/09/2024 00:58

Sorry OP - I think he just is not keen on being a step parent to younger kids and is trying to let you down by stealth. All the crying and dramatics is so he won’t look like the bad guy.

I agree with this.

i think he’s struggling, consciously or subconsciously, with knowing that he doesn’t want to be a step-dad to young children at his life stage. He likes what he has with you right now, and wants to hold you in this limbo of 2 separate lives, one where you’re a mother, and one where you’re available to him.

He’s then layering on his childhood experience, and expressing guilt because he knows he can’t envisage living with you and your children but can’t express that to you, for fear that his nice half-life (including sex) with just you might end.

Him meeting your children and appearing to dote on them is him overcompensating, and it’s a pretence.

You deserve better than a limbo life with a man at a different life stage.

daisychain01 · 21/09/2024 05:25

I can't get over the fact he compares you to his 98yo mum.

and is still fine having sex whilst wittering on about how guilty he feels keeping you from your DC.

Kitjo · 21/09/2024 06:05

Gosh - I read this and a really unpleasant feeling ran through me. Superficially all sounds lovely but feels like there's a dark side lurking. Something very fake and false about his intentions. Maybe talk it through with him and assess his reaction but not sure that you won't just get the rehearsal for the final performance. The age gap is not the issue - he is not a wise old owl. I do think you need to be though!

ResultsMayVary · 21/09/2024 08:10

And it's not a generational thing, it's a HIM thing and yes it is patronising, misogynistic and controlling.

It sounds like he thinks he knows better than you and as a father like figure likes to drop life wisdom on you. He isn't available for a respectful equal relationship.

ResultsMayVary · 21/09/2024 08:14

The amount of attention he gave your children - and the general focus on your children - leaves me feeling very uncomfortable and protective of your children. His focus should be on you. He doesn't need to spend time with your children and I think it's unfair to expose them to him.

Whatatodo79 · 21/09/2024 08:18

I'm not sure of his motivations, but it's making you feel uncomfortable and spoiling your time with him. Next time he says it i'd say 'look the kids are ok, they are having a good time and are safe, of course i've made sure of that. I get to decide how I spend my time and how I look after them, please don't criticise my decisions for no clear reason'. And see what unfolds.