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Older b/f keeps telling me he feels guilty for taking me away from my DC

86 replies

FFSasusual · 21/09/2024 00:36

I’m in the earlyish stages of dating an older widowed man (61 years old but still very active, fit.) I’m 45 and divorced. I had a terrible abusive relationship and my DC father is now in jail for gang related murder. I have worked my way from nothing to affording private school for DC and a house and I am very proud of how independent I have become and what I have achieved.

I’ve known this man about a decade as a friend / acquaintance as we work in the same industry. His kids are grown up and left, and mine are still small-ish (under 10.) I really like him, we have a lot of fun, he’s consistent and kind and loving and the sex is good.

one thing that I just can’t understand is that he keeps saying he suffers from guilt when we are together because he feels he is taking me away from my young DC.

there have been a few versions of this over the time we have spent together. One where he cried because of memories he had of being a child and his mother struggling and leaving an abusive relationship with his father and then working and being the sole breadwinner (a story similar to mine) and his experience of wanting more of his mum but she was so stretched with work / DC and a boyfriend. Sometimes when we are having fun I feel that he “turns” in his head (he does not say anything but it’s like an shadow comes over his face / he looks haunted) and he internally admonishes me for being with him instead of my children. He likens me to his mother a lot and our stories - she is 98 and I have met her and like her!

to be clear, I don’t sacrifice time with my DC to be with him. I see him when they are in bed or when they are with their cousins (my sister and dparents are very active in helping with DC, I am very lucky in that sense,) I feel like he is processing something of his own and projecting it on to me. He insists that he is not and that from his vantage point (being a wise old owl at 61 and now grown up with DC who have flown the nest, his wisdom is that I need to spend every single moment with my DC now or I will regret it.)

is this a common thing those with small DC and dating a certain generation of man have experienced? I am struggling to understand it from his point of view and get annoyed sometimes and feel patronised that he is even deciding what I should feel guilty about. He is certainly enjoying the sex enough in our relationship to not let it go. Am I missing something here?

he loves his own DC deeply and wants to spend all the time he can with them. He has been deeply affected by his parents relationship and his own experience of his DC losing their mum. I am empathetic and admiring of all of that and appreciate his feelings but there is part of me that feels I have not come this far and built this much to be told how to feel about the balance of my life or guilt tripped. Or am I being a dick and he has a point?

he has asked to meet my DC as a friend and I allowed him in the context of being my friend and while my parents and Dsis were there too. He spent all his time with them, getting to know them, really demonstrating to me that he cared about them.

am I wrong to feel patronised? Has this happened to anyone else? Is this “guilt” a patriarchal / misogynist thing?

OP posts:
DarkandStormyNightie · 21/09/2024 08:45

Sounds to me like he's trying to get inside your head. Be careful with this one.

MsSweeney · 21/09/2024 08:53

He is saying that your children should be with you at all times. When he did meet your children he was too 'nice'. Sounds to me like he wants to be able to spend more time with your children. Don't give him any more access. Bin him.

DarkandStormyNightie · 21/09/2024 09:04

MsSweeney · 21/09/2024 08:53

He is saying that your children should be with you at all times. When he did meet your children he was too 'nice'. Sounds to me like he wants to be able to spend more time with your children. Don't give him any more access. Bin him.

This is a really good point and actually very chilling.

Autumnblackberries · 21/09/2024 09:06

He sounds weird. Ick.
He is also way too old for you. Don't be tied to him and become an old age nurse.

TheReturnOfFeathersMcGraw · 21/09/2024 09:07

Sounds like a twisted version of the madonna whore complex - he's all too happy to have sex with you, while guilting you about not being the perfect mother and having your dc with you at all times. Even him wanting to spend as much time as possible with his own adult dc sounds suffocating tbh

Spenditlikebeckham · 21/09/2024 09:10

Imo he has filled your head (with shite) to ensure the relationship goes precisely as HE wants it.

Redburnett · 21/09/2024 09:10

I think Aquamarine has summed it up well.

AudiobookListener · 21/09/2024 09:11

MsSweeney · 21/09/2024 08:53

He is saying that your children should be with you at all times. When he did meet your children he was too 'nice'. Sounds to me like he wants to be able to spend more time with your children. Don't give him any more access. Bin him.

That was my first thought too.

DarkandStormyNightie · 21/09/2024 09:22

MsSweeney · 21/09/2024 08:53

He is saying that your children should be with you at all times. When he did meet your children he was too 'nice'. Sounds to me like he wants to be able to spend more time with your children. Don't give him any more access. Bin him.

@FFSasusual

Please read this post carefully and take in what is being said. Ask yourself if this is a ploy to spend more time with your children. Groomers are very, very practised at getting inside the heads of single mums and making them think they're being unreasonable. It doesn't matter if he's got older children and a family, often preditors focus outside their family circle.

I don't think it's being dramatic to really look at the situation and ask yourself what he's trying to achieve. What is he trying to push you towards that is making you subconsciously uncomfortable.

Lurkingandlearning · 21/09/2024 10:00

I think it’s great that your DC spend time with their grandparents, aunt and cousins without you. A strong extended family can be a wonderful thing for stacks of reasons none of which detract from their relationship with you.

If you’ve told him you disagree with his opinion once and he’s repeating it then dump him. He has no right to comment on how you raise your children. Who the fuck does he think he is to contradict and criticise you, your parents and your sister.

As for the melodramatic change of mood, tears and the performative attention to your children- it all sounds phoney to me.

bluegreygreen · 21/09/2024 10:16

Whatatodo79 · 21/09/2024 08:18

I'm not sure of his motivations, but it's making you feel uncomfortable and spoiling your time with him. Next time he says it i'd say 'look the kids are ok, they are having a good time and are safe, of course i've made sure of that. I get to decide how I spend my time and how I look after them, please don't criticise my decisions for no clear reason'. And see what unfolds.

I think this is important.

There could be several motivations, some relatively innocent, some very questionable.

At baseline, the issue is that you have made a very good life for you and your children, and are continuing to make sensible decisions for them. He has no place in criticising any of your decisions or behaviour, and there is no good reason why he should want to do so.

llamali · 21/09/2024 10:23

This doesn't sound great written down op

OrangeTeabags · 21/09/2024 10:27

How old were his kids when their mum died? And how old were he and his wife?

I agree with pp - this might not be sinister & creepy as some say, but he might be trying to relive what he lost through you.

He isn't saying he doesn't want to see you when he says you need to be with your kids more so presumably he wants to be with you and them together.

It sounds as though he wants to re-create what he lost when his wife died and he wants to do the close family unit thing with you and your children.

If you don't want this & it makes you feel uncomfortable then I think you need to end it.
Don't risk him getting super close to your kids if you have any uncertainty because it wouldn't be fair on them.

FFSasusual · 21/09/2024 10:36

thank you for all your replies they have really made me think.

I have woken up feeling really confused and quite headfucked about it. He has definitely got into my head. I keep swinging between thinking that I need to constantly prove to him I’m being a good mother (“I’m with you right now but the kids are asleep so I couldn’t be spending any more time with them if I tried”) and feeling some of that misogynistic guilt that is just ingrained in our society that I am not doing enough or making enough sacrifices - - to thinking how dare he and what the hell is he trying to achieve with me by saying that? We haven’t been together for a long time, so for him to make sweeping assumptions about my approach to my kids is virtually impossible. Plus he also wants to see me so is effectively encouraging me to go against his advice.

last night when I got home I reiterated again over text that the kids were happy, I was happy, there really wasn’t an issue and he responded: “You can make us all happy but they need more than me and I’ll be better knowing they get what they need.”

AIBU to find this patronising? I presume that is not a predator type statement. He is not saying that he wants to spend as much time with them as possible - more that if he’s with me he’s prefer that they are also with me so they are getting me too. Plus I don’t think he is trying to break up with me but who knows.

OP posts:
PollyDactyl · 21/09/2024 10:40

He is being patronising and paternalistic. Its really not good.

Singleandproud · 21/09/2024 10:42

Mummy issues
Mind games
Or keen to have access to your DC.

All of which are a big fat no for me.

Too big an age gap too, if this did have a future in 15 years when your DC are grown and independent you'll only be 60, still young enough to travel and pursue your own interests he'll be 76 and winding down - more likely to have health issues etc

Secondguess · 21/09/2024 10:44

He sounds very controlling, with misogynistic opinions about your role.

I think it's interesting that he's presenting his opinions as fact rather than asking your opinion.

OrangeTeabags · 21/09/2024 10:44

It doesn't sound great does it?

And should it be this hard & confusing at an early stage of the relationship?

I think you should consider stepping away from this because, at a time when you should be feeling amazing and positive about a happy future with a new partner, you are on here feeling uncomfortable & confused.

Fraaahnces · 21/09/2024 10:48

He’s made your history all about him. He is manipulative and tbh, quite fucking creepy.

Lifeafternighy · 21/09/2024 10:49

Maybe it is a tactic to get around your kids? Something worth thinking about. You have got to be careful these days. Either way he sounds a weird

TheCultureHusks · 21/09/2024 10:49

Wow, get rid.

I’d have replied to that message ‘Excuse me? Do you even realise how patronising and wannabe controlling you sound? You honestly think you’re a better judge of what my children need than me? Im afraid I’m done here - I’ve become increasingly uncomfortable with your strange attitude towards my relationship with my children and my parenting. I’m not sure exactly what angle this kind of manipulative chat is heading towards but I’m not interested. We’re done. Have a nice life.’

Lifeafternighy · 21/09/2024 10:53

keen to have access to your DC

This was my first thought. He gives me the creeps just reading about him.

bluegreygreen · 21/09/2024 10:54

I would be tempted to say that i was perfectly capable of judging what my children need, thanks - and just leave it there and see what the response is.

As I said above, there is no good reason for him to be commenting on your decisions for your family.

Foxblue · 21/09/2024 10:55

Was he a single dad to his children after their mother died, or did she pass once they were grown?
The only reason I say this, is because I knew a guy like this once and he would do grand gestures (that I honestly in hindsight were fabricated) of refusing to go away with work as he couldn't be away from his kids, and would make a big fuss about 'family days out' but then did fuck all of the drudgery or childbearing - he worked as many hours as he could when the children were young to 'provide for his family' when in reality they lived mortgage free due to an inheritance. He'd do the fun stuff (as long as his wife had organised it all) and help out on homework or occasionally let his daughter paint his nails, but he didn't do any cooking, cleaning, school stuff, couldn't name his kids teachers or friends... he did about 5% of the day to day drudgery but because he knew men who did less he was the MOST dedicated dad.
I might be way off, but the way you describe this guy really reminds me of the man I knew!

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 21/09/2024 10:56

Aside from anything else, you sound amazing.

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