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Toxic ageing parents & sibling favouritism

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wonderingwonderingwondering · 10/09/2024 13:52

Hi all.

Please bear with me. I'm struggling a lot at the moment and feel I'd benefit massively from an outsider view of things. This is also quite a complex situation. Sorry it's so long.

38f, middle child of three daughters. I grew up in a "well to do" home with a mother obsessed with academic achievement and outward success; a father who was emotionally absent and the less dominant parent. Older sibling fell down a well of deep mental illness in my teens and that caused major trauma to the family, to this day she has never recovered and has spent 20+ years in/out psychiatric facilities, she's now in part-time residential care. Mother minds her for half of the week.

I left home at 18. Parents took the view I was the "quiet", "capable", "independent" one and I basically was more or less forgotten about then; I can count on one hand the amount of times I was visited by parents in these 20 years. I got my degree, worked hard in different jobs in a very competitive industry, moved abroad several times, changed industry, worked up a corporate ladder. It all looked "great", but in recent years therapy has taught me that this was a time of extreme loneliness, depression, anxiety, undiagnosed ADHD, eating disorders, toxic romantic relationships...there was a lot of pain. I'd see my family once or twice a year.

My younger sister became my mother's focus in my absence. She lived at home til mid 20s, was funded through 2 college degrees, including one expensive medical degree that parents remortgaged the house to fund. My mother has lived vicariously through her for decades now. Every time I go to visit, or receive a phone call from my mother, it's a one-way monologue about sibling's escapades, her latest partner, the latest house she's bought, etc. She knows minute detail about her life day-to-day. Sibling bought a home recently. I visited that home at the weekend and she talked about how our father was doing a garden makeover and all of the light fixtures, mother came every week to clean the house, cook her meals, do her laundry. My parents have visited my new home in a different city just once. Never helped in any way like that.

I got married recently. When I got engaged I knew, thanks to therapy, that any expectations of my mother would just hurt me. I asked nothing of her, shared little info, went dress shopping alone, planned without her involvement and let her come along and have her "Mother of the Bride" moments on the day. She offered no compliments, no words of support, she criticised my speech and I heard from guests afterwards that she complained that we weren't having a religious ceremony. Neither of us are religious, but she is devout.

The final straw came for me at the weekend. After my wedding, I had a surgery for endometriosis and the recovery has been more difficult than anticipated. I've developed further health issues that have wiped me out recently. I also recently quit my corporate leadership job, as it wasn't helping the health issues and alongside wedding planning, dealing with ongoing infertility, myself and DH decided I needed a break and financially we'd be fine for a while. I yielded to pressure to visit my parents this weekend, thought they might want to see our official wedding photos, ask about surgery...but the experience became entirely about my younger sibling and her new boyfriend, who joined us for dinner and breakfast the next morning. They talked new house, mortgage rates, gossiped about sibling's friends and patients...No questions about us, the wedding aftermath, my surgery, my post job life, etc. I sat at their kitchen dinner table and felt like a ghost, like the three hour drive by my husband was a total waste of time, like we may as well not be there. I felt like a neglected child all over again.

I'm 38 years old and I can no longer tolerate being treated like this. I actually feel like the chronic stress of their neglect and favouritism has contributed to my health issues. My husband can't tell me enough that my mother is "not a mother to me", is "more interested in how things look than how you are". The recent hardship in my life have made their lack of interest in me and over-investment in younger sibling more intolerable than ever.

I just don't know how to proceed with these people, that are supposed to be family but who treat me worst than a stranger. It's also important to note that they are ageing, in their 70s and cognitive decline has set in. There will also be much to consider with care for my complex needs sibling in the next few years.

Can anyone relate? Does anyone have parents or a family dynamic like this? Can anyone provide insight, or examples of how you dealt with your own family dysfunction? Is No Contact the only way to have a happy, healthy life now?

TLDR: I am the middle neglected child in a toxic family system that includes sibling favouritism, a sibling with special needs and parents that are ageing rapidly. I don't know how to proceed in this dynamic while protecting my peace.

OP posts:
AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/09/2024 14:13

I would drop the rope here and not bother with any of them going forward. It’s not possible to have a relationship with people who are this disordered of thinking. They will never listen to reason not can e

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/09/2024 14:15

Ever be reasoned with. You will need to grieve for the relationship you should have had rather than the one you actually got.

Look after yourself. You do not owe these people anything let alone a relationship here.

Pixiewombat · 10/09/2024 14:16

Yep, drop the rope and practice radical acceptance.

Don't get too involved with care issues.

wonderingwonderingwondering · 10/09/2024 14:35

Thank you both. My instincts are that this is too much now, and I don't have the capacity to continue to ignore the dynamic to keep the peace. It's become really disruptive to my mental health now.

I feel an urge to explain myself though, despite that never really working out for me in the past. I think it's because the greatest struggle this dynamic has given me is with my self esteem, and my ability to have a voice and speak up for myself. I've gaslighted myself so much about this dynamic, because there have been good times, financial support etc along the way. My mother is so blinded by denial, she's prone to gaslighting, has told me I "need to stop blaming my parents" in the past.

How does one drop the rope? Just disappear, without saying a word?

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Lexy70 · 10/09/2024 14:38

Drop the rope by reducing contact, less visits,less calls. Limit severely any personal info you give them.

It is such a hurtful situation to be in but sadly it isn't going to change. Decide how much you want to tolerate. You will sadly never get love and support from your parents and you have to grieve that.

Based on how they have reacted to your surgery and poor upbringing I'd be having sod all to do with their future care needs. Leave that to the golden sister x

Lexy70 · 10/09/2024 14:41

Re explaining yourself, don't, it will be weaponised against you and more evidence that you are the difficult one.

I've found it therapeutic writing letters to my parents,getting it all out but burning the letter.

Ps the stately homes threads under relationships might be useful x

TortillasAndSalsa · 10/09/2024 14:47

I could of written your post @wonderingwonderingwondering I am also the middle daughter of 3 that has a favourite sibling and it certainly is not me. My parents are older too. I have been told my issues stem from being left to get on with it all my life. My younger sibling gets everything handed to her and older sibling gets a lot of help. I asked for a loan to fix my car years ago and got told no favourite younger sibling needs money for a holiday. I went without a car for a 18 months until I saved up enough to fix it.
I'm at the point I feel like the safest thing to do for me and my wee family is to leave them all to it

LittleOwl153 · 10/09/2024 14:49

Yes write it all down, either in a letter or here. If you write the letter maybe let your husband read it, then burn it together.

Let them drift away. Don't contact them. Respond minimally to their contact. Don't be available at their request. But more importantly fill that void. Your husband, his family, friends, hobbies whatever you need to fill that space as adding infertility struggles to the mix is going to be a huge mess in your head. If you can keep the therapy going too.

wonderingwonderingwondering · 10/09/2024 14:49

Thank you Lexy. And sorry that you understand what it's like to have parents like this.

I had already reduced contact. I rarely if ever call my parents; I respond to texts from them and share little to no personal information. After the wedding, I was so hurt by my mother especially that contact diminished even further. My mother called for two weeks in a row recently (unusual for her) and I left her calls unanswered. My body is having a physical reaction to her at this stage; it feels actively harmful to be around her. Do I need to reduce contact even further? For example - it's her birthday in two weeks, do I just ignore this? My golden child sibling would call once every few weeks; do I start ignoring her too? How can I take control here? I feel as though I've always been passive in this dynamic, and I have this urge to take my power back, set a boundary, tell them what I will not accept. I'm not a passive person and I'm so tired of feeling like a victim of their dysfunction.

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wonderingwonderingwondering · 10/09/2024 14:56

LittleOwl153 · 10/09/2024 14:49

Yes write it all down, either in a letter or here. If you write the letter maybe let your husband read it, then burn it together.

Let them drift away. Don't contact them. Respond minimally to their contact. Don't be available at their request. But more importantly fill that void. Your husband, his family, friends, hobbies whatever you need to fill that space as adding infertility struggles to the mix is going to be a huge mess in your head. If you can keep the therapy going too.

Thank you LittleOwl. I feel like a letter might be a good idea. The pain has hit me hard since our latest visit at the weekend and there's so much complex emotions swirling around in my brain.

I know for sure I need to build a supportive network elsewhere. My circle is small, it includes my husband (who is amazing, supportive and loving) and a close friend from childhood. I struggle a lot with friendship and hobbies as a result of the trauma of my family, I don't trust easily and I don't know or like myself enough to even know what I'd enjoy to do in my spare time. MIL is lovely, but I've struggled even to let her in and be close to her because I've never had maternal love or care.

Do you have any tips for building up these friendships and relationships?

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wonderingwonderingwondering · 10/09/2024 14:59

TortillasAndSalsa · 10/09/2024 14:47

I could of written your post @wonderingwonderingwondering I am also the middle daughter of 3 that has a favourite sibling and it certainly is not me. My parents are older too. I have been told my issues stem from being left to get on with it all my life. My younger sibling gets everything handed to her and older sibling gets a lot of help. I asked for a loan to fix my car years ago and got told no favourite younger sibling needs money for a holiday. I went without a car for a 18 months until I saved up enough to fix it.
I'm at the point I feel like the safest thing to do for me and my wee family is to leave them all to it

I'm really sorry that you've experienced similar. It really is the worst kind of pain and as I reflect on it and process in therapy, it makes me realise that I didn't really get to have much of a childhood at all. I was always expected to fend for myself because I seemed to be less demanding than my siblings. But my parents have just point blank refused to let go of this role of "kid with no needs" that they put me in decades ago and it's left me without any kind of family support or care. I have never, ever been their priority.

I hope that you can find peace and love - active, nurturing, consistent love - in your new family now. We both deserve so much more x

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scrapedandfuriousviper · 10/09/2024 14:59

Parts of your story really resonate with me, and I will come back (meeting in 3 min!) to say more but quickly...

Firstly, find a good therapist. It makes moving on so much more straightforward.

Secondly, and in a bit after some therapy, look at EMDR - if you feel you are holding some things in your body, this is a game changer. I did it earlier this year and it has been extraordinary.

Seaoftroubles · 10/09/2024 15:00

So sorry you have been treated so badly OP. l agree with pp's, don't explain your reasons but begin to reduce contact on all fronts. Also are you in touch with your younger sister on a regular basis? If so l think l would be low contact with her too as she sounds to be as bad as your parents.
Keep up with your counselling and don't get involved with helping out in their declining years, you can unapologetically leave that to your sister.

Hollietree · 10/09/2024 15:02

Your situation is very very familiar to my own. I left home at 18 and my narcissistic mother has done very little to keep in contact with me, yet complains if I don’t ring her on her birthday! If I do see her she only talks incessantly about my golden child elder sibling and her children. Posts Facebook memes about her adored grandchildren, tagging my sibling and not me! I too went through the extreme loneliness, depression, eating disorders, terrible relationship decisions in my teens and twenties, risky behaviour, also believe I have undiagnosed ADHD.

Anyway, I’m in my 40s now and the only thing that has worked for me is to take a massive step back, very much distance myself, force myself to stop caring what she thinks……. It’s taken several years but I honestly don’t care anymore. I prioritise my own little family and our lovely life, I see my parents once or twice a year for a couple of hours. Send a card at Christmas and birthday. I don’t make any effort and they don’t reciprocate. There was no falling out, or no announcement that I was stepping back or not going to make any effort going forwards. I just did it.

My life is very much happier. I gain so much joy in giving love and safety to my own children, giving them the parenting that I didn’t receive myself. And a friend once told me that you can be your own Mother to your “inner child” - when you feel sad or vulnerable then do thinks to take care of yourself - run yourself a bath, book yourself something nice, buy yourself a treat, really look after yourself. I find that really helps to think of mothering myself!

Lexy70 · 10/09/2024 15:06

Poor you, I understand the visceral, physical reaction to your mother. I get it too she makes my skin crawl and I don't want her near me especially when she is faking nice. Makes my teeth itch.

I've gone extremely low contact and my parents are in their mid eighties. I occasionally email but won't respond to phonecalls. I would be upset and unsettled after any calls. I see them once a year for a few days. I refuse to go for meals out with them as their behaviour is horrific.

I do send birthday and Christmas gifts, a hypocrite I am yes but I just do it.

Like you the damage creeps into every aspect of life. I was labelled difficult from birth. I don't know if you've heard of the insight podcast and the book, you are not the problem by Helen Villiers and Kate McKenna. I'd highly recommend both. I'm working very slowly through the book and it is an eye-opener.

Best of luck it isn't easy but lots of us get it sadly x

MrRobinsonsQuango · 10/09/2024 15:18

Yet another vote to drop the rope. Take a massive step back with engagement or effort. Have zero expectations of them My background has a lot of crossover with yours minus the sibling with additional needs but plus a parent with addiction issues. My fertility issues were ignored or minimized most of the time 😵‍💫. We didn't have 3 rounds of IVF for fun for clarity

I am pretty sure challenging their behaviour or explaining how you feel will be a waste of time and be used against you. I bet l can write the script. Includes lots of "after all we have done for you". "You have always been so selfish" etc etc. Re your older siblings card then your parents will need to pay or social services will need to step in. Your younger sibling will be too Busy with their Big Important Special Job. Then having the Golden Grandchildren

Good luck with your recovery and fertility issues

wonderingwonderingwondering · 10/09/2024 15:20

Hi there @Seaoftroubles . Thanks for the advice.

Yes I've been in more frequent contact with my sister this year. I made her a bridesmaid (I know, I know...). There was a little drama earlier in the year and my close friend / MOH actively HATES her and sees the dynamic so clearly. She did surprise me though and show up for me in the days around the wedding, and was very generous with gifts etc.

I get really confused about what sort of relationship is possible for me with her. She talks about our mother in such complimentary terms - I truly believe she is enmeshed with her. She's so invested in our mother's happiness, thinks "we had a great childhood, our parents did so much for us", a strange dynamic during the wedding was that she kept reporting back to me about how "impressed" our mother was, while that same mother would blank me / sit on the other side of the room to me / not say a single nice thing to me about the wedding. Sister lives down the road from parents and sees them almost every day, they're constantly running errands for her.

I can see how much my mother's no-boundaries spoiling of her has messed her up too. I've been with DH for four years, and he jokes that so far he's met 4 different boyfriends - there'll invariably be someone new sitting at the dinner table with her the few times I visit the family home. My parents accept them into their home with open arms, then my mother will nurse my sister back to health by b1tching about how terrible that boyfriend was when there's a breakup months later.

There's habitually been massive blowups with my sister, where she'll say horrible things and then not talk to me for months. Once it happened when I expressed concern that she was buying a new puppy with her boyfriend of 2 months. I got called jealous, unsupportive, cold, etc...in my family things don't get discussed, time passes and rug sweeping is expected and then back to normal, because "family is everything."

I guess writing all that out probably speaks to how unhelpful my relationship with my gc sister really is. I love her though, I'd love to have her in my life, and I so wish I could support her as sisters often do, I especially long for that considering I essentially lost my own older sister to mental illness as a child. It's really hard and painful to think about not having her in my life, as well as my parents.

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MrRobinsonsQuango · 10/09/2024 15:21

Lexy70 · 10/09/2024 15:06

Poor you, I understand the visceral, physical reaction to your mother. I get it too she makes my skin crawl and I don't want her near me especially when she is faking nice. Makes my teeth itch.

I've gone extremely low contact and my parents are in their mid eighties. I occasionally email but won't respond to phonecalls. I would be upset and unsettled after any calls. I see them once a year for a few days. I refuse to go for meals out with them as their behaviour is horrific.

I do send birthday and Christmas gifts, a hypocrite I am yes but I just do it.

Like you the damage creeps into every aspect of life. I was labelled difficult from birth. I don't know if you've heard of the insight podcast and the book, you are not the problem by Helen Villiers and Kate McKenna. I'd highly recommend both. I'm working very slowly through the book and it is an eye-opener.

Best of luck it isn't easy but lots of us get it sadly x

I also send birthday and Christmas cards but bare minimum of effort. Plus obviously no slushy messages.

wonderingwonderingwondering · 10/09/2024 15:30

MrRobinsonsQuango · 10/09/2024 15:18

Yet another vote to drop the rope. Take a massive step back with engagement or effort. Have zero expectations of them My background has a lot of crossover with yours minus the sibling with additional needs but plus a parent with addiction issues. My fertility issues were ignored or minimized most of the time 😵‍💫. We didn't have 3 rounds of IVF for fun for clarity

I am pretty sure challenging their behaviour or explaining how you feel will be a waste of time and be used against you. I bet l can write the script. Includes lots of "after all we have done for you". "You have always been so selfish" etc etc. Re your older siblings card then your parents will need to pay or social services will need to step in. Your younger sibling will be too Busy with their Big Important Special Job. Then having the Golden Grandchildren

Good luck with your recovery and fertility issues

Thank you. I've so sorry you've experienced fertility issues and I hope you found peace and happiness beyond that. It truly is another complex trauma be experience the longing / the uncertainty of knowing if you'll ever get to have a family of your own. Very much in the throes of that atm, and next step for us is IVF once I recover from surgery.

GC sibling has been somewhat helpful, and I had a moment of sharing with my mother earlier in the year when I was diagnosed with endo. I came away feeling confused, as I always do with my mother. Her way of supporting is exclusively toxic positivity, relating my woes to hers and overtaking the conversation with a long-winded story of what happened to her / someone else to the point where I wonder if I'm even still in the room.

GC sister is very invested in having children, and is with a new guy for a few months where she's already trying for a child. She told me all about that about 2 weeks post op, and it upset me for weeks, and then I shamed myself about feeling upset...because I want to be able to love and support and celebrate my sister. But I guess I feel this dreading sense of inevitability with her having my mother's first grandchildren and me becoming even more irrelevant and unimportant in the family dynamic, and dealing with that as I go through fertility treatments of my own. I'm not sure how or if I could survive that. The emotional pain would destroy me.

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wonderingwonderingwondering · 10/09/2024 15:37

Lexy70 · 10/09/2024 15:06

Poor you, I understand the visceral, physical reaction to your mother. I get it too she makes my skin crawl and I don't want her near me especially when she is faking nice. Makes my teeth itch.

I've gone extremely low contact and my parents are in their mid eighties. I occasionally email but won't respond to phonecalls. I would be upset and unsettled after any calls. I see them once a year for a few days. I refuse to go for meals out with them as their behaviour is horrific.

I do send birthday and Christmas gifts, a hypocrite I am yes but I just do it.

Like you the damage creeps into every aspect of life. I was labelled difficult from birth. I don't know if you've heard of the insight podcast and the book, you are not the problem by Helen Villiers and Kate McKenna. I'd highly recommend both. I'm working very slowly through the book and it is an eye-opener.

Best of luck it isn't easy but lots of us get it sadly x

Thanks Lexy. I'm sorry you never had the parents you needed either. Are there other siblings in your family, and if so, where do they stand on things? Have your parents ever mentioned your distance, how do you get out of phone calls with them?

I was labelled the "easy" kid. Never asked for anything, quiet and studious at school, teachers loved me, great at all my hobbies. My parents still relate that to me, without knowing a single thing about my adult life. It's only when I left the family home that I realised my personality was NOT to be naturally quiet - I'm pretty outgoing, talkative, confident and fun seeking when I'm in the right environment. And my "quietness" betrayed a chaotic inner life - I was diagnosed with inattentive ADHD last year. I've always had a busy brain and challenges with big emotions and emotional dysregulation. I just internalised it all as a kid, as I got the message that noone was prioritising me.

As it happens I've listened to that In Sight podcast for years! I relate to every single episode - even the ones I don't think will be relevant to me. I find Helen's anger so so helpful - I feel like she represents the voice that I never had as a kid that never got to feel loved, nurtured or prioritised. I haven't read the book yet, but will definitely line that up next now.

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MinorTom · 10/09/2024 15:38

Can anyone relate? Yes I think more than you know, it is pretty common. The stately homes thread on here is full of people who completely understand the dynamics you describe or more correctly their version of a similar dynamic. It is painful to face up to but ultimately the pain is conscious or unconscious, it was there anyway even if it sat just below your awareness. Once you accept it completely and make decisions from that point of understanding you can move on from it.

wonderingwonderingwondering · 10/09/2024 16:01

MinorTom · 10/09/2024 15:38

Can anyone relate? Yes I think more than you know, it is pretty common. The stately homes thread on here is full of people who completely understand the dynamics you describe or more correctly their version of a similar dynamic. It is painful to face up to but ultimately the pain is conscious or unconscious, it was there anyway even if it sat just below your awareness. Once you accept it completely and make decisions from that point of understanding you can move on from it.

Thank you. I will definitely check out this thread.

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Lexy70 · 10/09/2024 16:03

I am the youngest of three girls. All my sister's find my parents very difficult. My eldest is five years older than me and very cool and detached. She hosts my parents for Christmas which I did for years letting them bully me and my children. I stopped this when they started on my toddler DD weight and portion size, yes really.
My middle sister is an extrovert and very resilient she finds them difficult but let's it wash over her rather than upset her like I am upset.

Re the very low contact it was a very gradual process and I stopped the dreaded weekly duty phonecall during COVID. All they cared about was there lack of holiday not my kids doing exams in their bedroom etc.

They have never commented on the lack of contact because I am the difficult, disappointing one, they probably never wanted much to do with me in the first place.

I had a bout of depression some years ago and some NHS psychology and I realised all my core beliefs about myself were negative. I then realised where these beliefs came from, my hypercritical mother and enabling father. My childhood is complicated by physical violence from my mother, a primary teacher and CSA by paternal grandfather.

However I just got to the age or stage where I wasn't taking it anymore and I wasn't letting her damage me anymore. Tbh I am still scared of her at 85, she hasn't mellowed and has a vile temper and tongue.

I long for the day when I don't have to deal with them.

It isn't easy whatever you do. I would love to have loving and supportive parents. I think the future will be hell if your sister has a baby whilst you are having IVF. I think infertility must be very difficult and I think your mum will not be kind or sensitive about it.

I'd focus on your husband, your close friends and nice mil.Start to distance and detach. You need to protect yourself and your health as you have alot going on. Sadly I don't think you will have an ally in your sister.

Definitely get the book it has lots of practical advice and exercises to do.

Good luck xxc

scrapedandfuriousviper · 10/09/2024 16:04

One of the other books that Insight recommend is this one:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Complex-PTSD-Surviving-RECOVERING-CHILDHOOD-ebook/dp/B00HJBMDXK

It has been a total game changer for me - it's the first time I feel that I've been 'seen' and understood.

I also have long-term undiagnosed inattentive ADHD, absent parents, a golden child sibling and more miscarriages than I care to count. So nothing but sympathy, and a wish that you take care of yourself not them.

What would you do if you could have a hobby? Why not just try some random things, and do that instead of visiting them. Jigsaws are a good entry-level selfish pursuit, but you could move onto archery, or long distance walking. What foods do you like to eat? Where do you want to visit? All of these things are more important than your parents right now.

DBSFstupid · 10/09/2024 16:07

I feel for you OP, I really do. I can relate to so much of what you have shared here although my story isn't as cruel as yours.

May I recommend the 'stately homes' thread on here? There is buckets of info and experiences which will certainly help you.

May I just say, for what it is worth, I think you are absolutely amazing in everything you have achieved in life, with no help or love from the very people that should have been there for you.

I am so sorry xxx