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DH doesn't understand my family and tries to sabotage visits

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mambojambodothetango · 09/09/2024 18:20

DH has never been totally relaxed around my family and I think he finds my relationship with them threatening. I don't need him to love them but them problem is he tries to sabotage my time with them and I need it to stop.

He's an only child and his parents are both NC with their own siblings so he hasn't had his own experience of family outside his Ps, who live 15 mins away from us (we see them almost every weekend). I have a DSis and a DB who I am quite close to and they are married with DC - neither live nearby. We lost both our Ps in the last 5 years.

DH was quite fond of my Ps but has never enjoyed our big family gatherings (which I totally get, though these have only ever been a couple of times a year) but in the last few years he has become increasingly inclined to put obstacles in the way when I suggest meeting up with my siblings, either with or without him. We probably see each other 4-5 times per year for a day or two - hardly excessive. Usually just a night or two staying at each others' homes - occasionally a family weekend away.

I have suggested sometimes that he doesn't need to come if he prefers not to, but then I am made to feel mean that I don't want to spend the time with him, so he comes along and then we get low-level sulking. I have a couple of times in the last year arranged short visits with the DC during school holidays when he can't get time off - and that has worked well, though he wasn't overjoyed about it.

The type of thing he says can be 'but I wanted to do X that weekend' (never anything he can't move to a different weekend) or 'can we just go for 1 day rather than 2'. Talking about Xmas and fitting in a visit to them, he's now started saying he'd rather go on holiday.

Once, I planned to spend 3 nights away with my DSis, sorting out our Mum's house when she was terminally ill (the first time we'd ever gone somewhere together just the 2 of us), and he threw a wobbly the night before we went, saying he 'didn't approve'. I was so shocked, I wish I'd told him to fuck off but instead I cried for a couple of days. Then another time it was DSisIL's big birthday and he basically sulked and said he'd rather we didn't go because it was around the time of his (non-big) birthday and he 'might want to do something else'. It caused real pain as I felt stuck in the middle and had to tell DSisIL that we weren't going. Again, I regretted not standing up to him.

So now I am anticipating the next time this happens, which will be coming up as my DB has suggested the three of us siblings going away for a few days next year - which I really want to do. I literally daren't tell DH because I know he will come up with several reasons why I shouldn't go and I worry I won't be able to stand firm - or if I do I will lose my rag and scream at him.

I don't think I am being unreasonable to want to spend some time with my siblings (we're talking around 10 days of the year in total). And seeing as I now don't have either parent, they are more important to me than ever and I feel like if anything he should be happy for me that I get to see them. Tell me I'm right and that he doesn't get to obstruct our plans or be stroppy about it! I have lost all sense of what's reasonable.

For context, he is not mean in other respects and I think it comes from jealousy and lack of understanding than from a general bad attitude. He's only like this about my family, not about me seeing friends or having hobbies etc.

Thanks for reading this far!

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Harvestfestivalknickers · 09/09/2024 18:30

All you need to do is ask him if he has anything planned during whatever month you are planning to go away. If he has something planned on a certain weekend - you book another date. Then you tell him you are going. You put it on the calendar and then ignore all the excuses/drama/last minute emergencies.

WitchyBits · 09/09/2024 18:35

This is rather controlling and it's almost like he's making you pick him over your family so he "wins" . I'd be stopping this now and if he doesn't like it, that's tough. I'd definitely go with the suggestion to ask him first what he had planned for the month but don't stressed if after the first time he suddenly mages plans for every available day to spite you

Sunnycolours · 09/09/2024 18:37

What doesn’t/didnt he approve of? Have you had a conversation about the issue? Asked him what’s wrong? Confronting him in a curious/calm/kind way may be all he needs to see he’s being an idiot. And if not, proceed and ignore his nonsense; he’s acting like a child so treat him like one

AnOldCynic · 09/09/2024 18:37

You daren't tell him? Big red flag.

You explain you are going. Counter every argument he has for you not going with "I'm going". He strops, you ask him why he is stropping. Properly ask him what his issue is, don't lose your rag.

And go.

mambojambodothetango · 09/09/2024 18:37

Thanks both for replying. Yes, it's a bit like he's trying to assert his presence - to make sure I don't decide they're more important. Problem is, it has the opposite effect!

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EmeraldRoulette · 09/09/2024 18:38

Protect the time. Tell him you’ll go alone, you’ll enjoy it more. He’s a grown man, he can find something else to do. The behaviour around your mum’s illness was appalling.

Apileofballyhoo · 09/09/2024 18:40

Is he OK with you seeing friends? Or going away overnight with them?

mambojambodothetango · 09/09/2024 18:42

His objections to the planned days away next year will be about the DC - who's going to look after them because he's working. I would have to arrange every last snack and lift to football for him not to use that as an objection.

The disapproval was because he didn't think the trip was necessary. We never discussed it afterwards, which I know isn't good. He won't admit he was wrong.

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yeesh · 09/09/2024 18:46

Well he is very controlling and you are scared of him and his reactions to very normal things. Are you sure you want to be in a marriage like that as it’s got abuse written all over it. And as for seeing is family every week, he is taking the oiss. Very selfish man

tedyoucan · 09/09/2024 18:47

mambojambodothetango · 09/09/2024 18:42

His objections to the planned days away next year will be about the DC - who's going to look after them because he's working. I would have to arrange every last snack and lift to football for him not to use that as an objection.

The disapproval was because he didn't think the trip was necessary. We never discussed it afterwards, which I know isn't good. He won't admit he was wrong.

This is very worrying, what if you were suddenly hospitalised? A man who cannot father his own children? I have gone away for weekends to see friends we moved away from with Dh's job. I left him with a baby and a toddler and didn't have to organise anything.

He is deliberately putting obstacles in your way and making it such hard work for you. This is incredibly controlling behaviour. The sulking just confirms it.

Tomorrowjustyouwaitandsee · 09/09/2024 18:47

So now I am anticipating the next time this happens, which will be coming up as my DB has suggested the three of us siblings going away for a few days next year - which I really want to do. I literally daren't tell DH because I know he will come up with several reasons why I shouldn't go and I worry I won't be able to stand firm - or if I do I will lose my rag and scream at him

Hi op! Keep strong. This is controlling behaviour.

You do NOT need permission from your dh or anyone else to go and stay with siblings for a few days, unless there is a massive back story and he works miles a way and you have ten children or something! And even then, it would not be unreasonable once or twice a year.

I suggest that you don’t present this as a request as such but as a fait accompli.

You will be going on holiday with your siblings next year. It is booked. These are the dates. End of discussion. Any objections, just calmly repeat that it is happening.

Hatty65 · 09/09/2024 18:49

His objections to the planned days away next year will be about the DC - who's going to look after them because he's working. I would have to arrange every last snack and lift to football for him not to use that as an objection.

I'd be pissed off about this. These are HIS children too. You're not his secretary or his nanny. Most adults can adequately parent alone without needing their arse wiped for them.

I'd be very blunt with him. 'You have ruined quite a lot of my time with my family by sulking or behaving like a child. What is your problem? It's extremely unattractive and I feel like because YOU don't want me to spend time with my sibblings you try and manipulate the situation to spoil it. Just to let you know - in the future you either come and be pleasant or I go without you. But I won't be changing my plans because you don't approve. It's raising a lot of red flags about you being controlling'.

TemuSpecialBuy · 09/09/2024 18:52

WitchyBits · 09/09/2024 18:35

This is rather controlling and it's almost like he's making you pick him over your family so he "wins" . I'd be stopping this now and if he doesn't like it, that's tough. I'd definitely go with the suggestion to ask him first what he had planned for the month but don't stressed if after the first time he suddenly mages plans for every available day to spite you

This.

Outmanouver him and if needed.
Do not let him do this. Its wrong and you know it.

Alongthepineconetrail · 09/09/2024 18:52

He is abusive & a coercive controller who has learnt a similar pattern of behaviour from his own parents. His own parents are nc with their siblings, he has been brought up to believe family isn't important. He is isolating you from your own family as that's what he's learnt from his own parents.

Dump him as fast as you can, he won't ever change and you will always be unhappy with him.

https://www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/coercive-control/

mambojambodothetango · 09/09/2024 19:00

Thank you all. It really is just about family that he's like this. I'm not scared of him, just upset at his inability to see that siblings are important. He is definitely capable of looking after the DC, he'd just cite them as a reason for him to object. TBH I'm not sure he even realises what I'm feeling - I probably just need to explain it it to him. Thanks for the advice to stand firm - I'm definitely going to do this!

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Pixiewombat · 09/09/2024 19:00

I would lose my rag, why wouldn't you?

Choochoo21 · 09/09/2024 19:13

He’s controlling.

but then I am made to feel mean that I don't want to spend the time with him

You are made to feel mean because you go and see your family once in a blue moon??

You’re allowed your own life that is separate from him.

Do you have any friends?

RickiRaccoon · 09/09/2024 19:22

I'd wait till he kicks off and then allow myself to get (a little) angry and call him out. Point out your support of interactions with his family and instances when he has tried to derail interactions with yours. Maybe he just needs to be reminded it isn't all about him and exactly what he wants. You and your family are important too.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 09/09/2024 19:27

Just be careful and possibly have contingency plans in place for the kids, because I very much suspect that a day or so before you are due to go away, he will suddenly 'have' to be somewhere else for a week.

I have experience of this kind of man, you can tell.

arethereanyleftatall · 09/09/2024 19:28

He sounds like a complete twat.

Is this a better life for you than being without him?

Tomorrowjustyouwaitandsee · 09/09/2024 19:31

How old are your dc op?

Spenditlikebeckham · 09/09/2024 19:35

My exh never spent any important times with me and our dc. His choice. I spent every Christmas with my family and took the dc with me. He sulked but never wanted to come or offer up alternatives together.. Divorced many years ago and no dc saw him past teen years. Miserable twat through and through.

mambojambodothetango · 09/09/2024 19:43

Yes I have plenty of friends and he's not a twat generally. He's obviously got a hang up about family being competition or something. I just need to keep remembering that I deserve time with them and not let his objections or obstacles become real. I suspect once he starts to realise how I feel he will try a but harder. I've just been a coward about it. No more!

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mambojambodothetango · 09/09/2024 19:47

DC are 13 and 9. So, not helpless but still need cajoling to get off to school and need driving to clubs etc.

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YellowRoom · 09/09/2024 19:49

There's something seriously fucked up about trying to stop you spending time with family when your mum was terminally ill. Why aren't you apoplectic with rage about this?

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