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DH doesn't understand my family and tries to sabotage visits

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mambojambodothetango · 09/09/2024 18:20

DH has never been totally relaxed around my family and I think he finds my relationship with them threatening. I don't need him to love them but them problem is he tries to sabotage my time with them and I need it to stop.

He's an only child and his parents are both NC with their own siblings so he hasn't had his own experience of family outside his Ps, who live 15 mins away from us (we see them almost every weekend). I have a DSis and a DB who I am quite close to and they are married with DC - neither live nearby. We lost both our Ps in the last 5 years.

DH was quite fond of my Ps but has never enjoyed our big family gatherings (which I totally get, though these have only ever been a couple of times a year) but in the last few years he has become increasingly inclined to put obstacles in the way when I suggest meeting up with my siblings, either with or without him. We probably see each other 4-5 times per year for a day or two - hardly excessive. Usually just a night or two staying at each others' homes - occasionally a family weekend away.

I have suggested sometimes that he doesn't need to come if he prefers not to, but then I am made to feel mean that I don't want to spend the time with him, so he comes along and then we get low-level sulking. I have a couple of times in the last year arranged short visits with the DC during school holidays when he can't get time off - and that has worked well, though he wasn't overjoyed about it.

The type of thing he says can be 'but I wanted to do X that weekend' (never anything he can't move to a different weekend) or 'can we just go for 1 day rather than 2'. Talking about Xmas and fitting in a visit to them, he's now started saying he'd rather go on holiday.

Once, I planned to spend 3 nights away with my DSis, sorting out our Mum's house when she was terminally ill (the first time we'd ever gone somewhere together just the 2 of us), and he threw a wobbly the night before we went, saying he 'didn't approve'. I was so shocked, I wish I'd told him to fuck off but instead I cried for a couple of days. Then another time it was DSisIL's big birthday and he basically sulked and said he'd rather we didn't go because it was around the time of his (non-big) birthday and he 'might want to do something else'. It caused real pain as I felt stuck in the middle and had to tell DSisIL that we weren't going. Again, I regretted not standing up to him.

So now I am anticipating the next time this happens, which will be coming up as my DB has suggested the three of us siblings going away for a few days next year - which I really want to do. I literally daren't tell DH because I know he will come up with several reasons why I shouldn't go and I worry I won't be able to stand firm - or if I do I will lose my rag and scream at him.

I don't think I am being unreasonable to want to spend some time with my siblings (we're talking around 10 days of the year in total). And seeing as I now don't have either parent, they are more important to me than ever and I feel like if anything he should be happy for me that I get to see them. Tell me I'm right and that he doesn't get to obstruct our plans or be stroppy about it! I have lost all sense of what's reasonable.

For context, he is not mean in other respects and I think it comes from jealousy and lack of understanding than from a general bad attitude. He's only like this about my family, not about me seeing friends or having hobbies etc.

Thanks for reading this far!

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amyds2104 · 13/09/2024 13:08

Hi just to reiterate that this is controlling behaviour and it’s sad the impact it has on you. I hope you can find a way to work through it and enjoy your time with your family which is just as important as time with your husband xx

waterrat · 13/09/2024 13:08

he sounds really really nasty - there is a bigger question here of him controlling you and being a really vile person.

pikkumyy77 · 13/09/2024 13:23

The proof of the pudding is in the eating so I guess you will find out what kind of person your DP is when he decides how he is handling your trip.

There are several possibilities here eith your DP all of which have been suggested in this thread. I just want to point out that it is perfectly possible for a person to be malevolently controlling and fixated on disrupting only one set of relationships and semi ok with others. he doesn’t have to be controlling and abusive every time for his behavior with respect to your siblings to be very, very, very, bad.

And it is of has been quite inexcusably bad. An adult human being can not enjoy something (your family) without sabotaging your enjoyment of it. If it were ice cream you would see that right away. You like vanilla and he likes chocolate? You wouldn’t tolerate his knocking your icecream out if your hands, or hiding your car keys to prevent your buying some. This is not any different.

I would absolutely not tolerate this and would gave long ago set him straight about it. Good that you are taking initiative to go on this trip but don’t passively accept his complaints, or obstruction. If he starts to give you difficulties just tell him straight out “Stop! My relationship with my family is important to me and you may not sabotage it. Keep your complaints snd issues to yourself. Your behavior is not ok.” And you need to back this up with consequences.

mambojambodothetango · 13/09/2024 17:07

Thanks for the new replies. Yes, as a PP said, I think I've identified that I'm the problem, in the sense that I need to set firmer boundaries and enforce them. He might even get the message and become better about it if he sees me being determined.

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Pictures50 · 13/09/2024 17:15

One thing to think about as @pikk references, he may be like this with family and not with friends...

Why?
Because he senses the strength of your relationship with your siblings and that they would do anything for you at any time...as is often the case with close dear family.
Friends might not always be able to do this.
So he feels threatened by the idea that they are a solid support for you and could jeopardise his control of you.
They could also intervene and advocate for you.
They are someone that you would confide with very honestly.

His dislike of them is IMO because he feels threatened by them.

This is not a good man.
Be very wary of him.
Protect your relationship with your siblings ahead of your marriage.
You will be the safer for it.

LoftyPeachSnake · 13/09/2024 17:48

I find your husband's outlook really sad, envious, and downright mean. It sounds like he wants you all to himself, in a very negative way.

I'm glad you've booked the flights. Please don't ever apologise or similar for asserting yourself when he inevitably grumbles about this closer to time.

God what a dick. Am so angry for you. Fine if he doesn't want to go to every single one of your family's events, but trying to prevent you from going is just awful.

Doone22 · 13/09/2024 21:32

Just to put this into perspective, my husband used to try and stop me going to visit my family as much as I did. The year I had a baby I didn't visit them as it's a long drive and baby only 3 months. The next year I argued with him all fucking month because it was my turn to see my family for Christmas but he said I was being selfish . I ended up not going and never spent another Christmas with my mum as she died unexpectedly.

Pictures50 · 13/09/2024 21:41

Doone22 · 13/09/2024 21:32

Just to put this into perspective, my husband used to try and stop me going to visit my family as much as I did. The year I had a baby I didn't visit them as it's a long drive and baby only 3 months. The next year I argued with him all fucking month because it was my turn to see my family for Christmas but he said I was being selfish . I ended up not going and never spent another Christmas with my mum as she died unexpectedly.

That really is heartbreaking.

How did you move on from that?

mambojambodothetango · 14/09/2024 13:15

Doone22 · 13/09/2024 21:32

Just to put this into perspective, my husband used to try and stop me going to visit my family as much as I did. The year I had a baby I didn't visit them as it's a long drive and baby only 3 months. The next year I argued with him all fucking month because it was my turn to see my family for Christmas but he said I was being selfish . I ended up not going and never spent another Christmas with my mum as she died unexpectedly.

Sorry to hear that. How are things with him now? Does he regret that at all?

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pikkumyy77 · 14/09/2024 13:21

Do they ever regret their selfish, controlling, behavior? If they lack empathy enough to continually disrupt your family relationships how likely is it that your pain and sadness affects them at all?

Pinkbonbon · 14/09/2024 13:23

mambojambodothetango · 13/09/2024 17:07

Thanks for the new replies. Yes, as a PP said, I think I've identified that I'm the problem, in the sense that I need to set firmer boundaries and enforce them. He might even get the message and become better about it if he sees me being determined.

Ok you've fallen into a common pitfal here.

Yes you do need to set firmer boundaries- but FOR YOURSELF.

Abusers btw do not see your boundaries and go 'oh, I'll stop being a dick now'. No, they take them as a challenge. They grow spiteful and look for other 'ins'.

It's not setting a boundary to say 'stop behaving this way when I see my family' in the same way it's not setting a boundary to say to a snake, 'don't bite me while I stand here next to you'.

The snake might still bite because you haven't actually taken action and moved to saftey.

He'll simply bite anyway or, slyther around till he finds a new place to bite you. Because that is his nature.

Setting a boundary has to be for YOU.
Eg: 'I'm not going to explain to this grown adult man why obviously unacceptable behaviour is unacceptable. If he displays it again, or similar, I will leave him'.

Don't waste your life explaining to someone why obviously horrible behaviour is horrible. He knows!

Set boundaries for yourself on the sort of people you allow to stay in your life.

BellesAndGraces · 14/09/2024 13:23

mambojambodothetango · 14/09/2024 13:15

Sorry to hear that. How are things with him now? Does he regret that at all?

I suppose it’s irrelevant if he regrets it. It’s easy to say sorry after the fact and it won’t bring that lost opportunity to see her parent one last Christmas back. I think this story is a good lesson for you as you have already lost your parents and should not now be made to feel like you can’t see your siblings.

PrettyParrot · 14/09/2024 13:28

I would perhaps point out to him that when he tries to make you choose him over your siblings, you perceive that as a really negative aspect of his character and it makes you want to be with him less. Therefore, he needs to a) stop doing it and b) work out why he did it in the first place.

Daniki · 14/09/2024 13:33

I could barely read to the end of your post it was making me so angry. This is incredibly controlling and I'd be telling him to fuck right off.

lottiegarbanzo · 14/09/2024 14:09

I'm really shocked that you didn't go to sort out your dying mother's house. And that you sat at home and cried instead. You're a prisoner in your own home - but a prisoner of his anger and your fear? Or of your own misplaced sense of obedience?

What would have happened if you'd disobeyed? What are you scared of?

Sage71 · 14/09/2024 14:13

I would be having a conversation along the lines of his behaviour is controlling and selfish and you will not be tolerating it any longer. Further more your children have two parents and he needs to step up. If he is not interested in being a reasonably behaved partner in the relationship then perhaps you need to discuss separation/divorce. I am sorry if this sounds harsh but he needs a wake up call quickly

EtiquetteLady · 14/09/2024 21:15

I don’t have many words of wisdom except to say my husband is like this and always has been. He’s not close to his family and, over the years, has had long periods of being NC with various family members, so he goes for years without seeing them, including his own grown up children. In our early marriage, I didn’t attend lots of important family events to assuage him, and please him, because he kicked up such a fuss, but as I’ve got older, I really regret that. These days, I tell him in plenty of time if something is planned. I don’t ever expect him to attend (he doesn’t), and I go regardless of the argument that always unsues.

I think it is a control / jealousy / immaturity issue and I’m not giving in to it any longer.

mambojambodothetango · 15/09/2024 15:16

lottiegarbanzo · 14/09/2024 14:09

I'm really shocked that you didn't go to sort out your dying mother's house. And that you sat at home and cried instead. You're a prisoner in your own home - but a prisoner of his anger and your fear? Or of your own misplaced sense of obedience?

What would have happened if you'd disobeyed? What are you scared of?

I did go - I just felt very sad as he'd spoiled it. As my updates show, I've realised I need to stand up for myself in this regard. I am much more aware now of the potential for disruption and the reasons for it, so I'm prepared for the next time. No compromises.

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lottiegarbanzo · 15/09/2024 15:47

Oh I'm so pleased you did go. Even if you were upset, which isn't ok of course. I'd misunderstood that.

AgentJohnson · 15/09/2024 16:25

Yes, as a PP said, I think I've identified that I'm the problem, in the sense that I need to set firmer boundaries and enforce them. He might even get the message and become better about it if he sees me being determined.

Er no, his behaviour is entirely on him. I suspect he will revert back to his usual sulking controlling type nearer the time.

His controlling ways stems purely from you doing something that he doesn’t agree with. You’ve become so accustomed to worrying, acquiescing, choosing your moments, bracing yourself for fallout that you can’t see that there is something deeply wrong with an adult who behaves like a child.

Kelly51 · 15/09/2024 18:14

How dare he dictate how you spend your time with your siblings. There'd be no asking from me, just arrange it and tell him he'll need to sort HIS DC out. Pathetic man, I would lose all love and attraction for him behaving like this.

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 15/09/2024 18:21

You need to tell him that you are genuinely sorry his family is fucked up and you wish they weren't but you are no longer going to tolerate his manipulative sulking as he tries to isolate you from your perfectly normal family. It's not happening. If he can't behave like a normal adult around them you will go without him because, frankly, it's embarrassing that they all see his behaviour exactly for what it is.
Suggest he gets therapy before his controlling and manipulative sulking starts to affect your love for him.

Seriously. Chuck a bomb in there.

Lavenderflower · 15/09/2024 18:30

He sounds controlling and whilst he not controlling in every aspect, he is trying to isolate you away from your family. I think you need to put your foot down and call hime out.n

Doone22 · 18/09/2024 06:33

Pictures50 · 13/09/2024 21:41

That really is heartbreaking.

How did you move on from that?

I didn't, we are now divorced

Disturbia81 · 18/09/2024 08:35

OP keeps defending him but he really is being controlling and not wanting her to be happy. Stop defending him

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