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Feeling so confused and injured [Content warning added by MNHQ: mentions rape and sexual assault]

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GraceOMalleyReturns · 05/09/2024 22:12

I don’t really know why I’m posting this but I’m too embarrassed to talk to anyone about it in real life.

I’ve been seeing a guy casually for nearly 3 years. We both have kids, live a couple of hours apart and neither of us want to uproot kids so for now we just see each other a couple of times a month and we were hoping to be able to commit to each other more once kids are older.

He has always been very kind to me and considerate of the fact I’d been in an abusive relationship in the past. He’s never so much as raised his voice to me even when we have disagreements or I’ve been being entirely unreasonable (which I have over the last year as I’ve been on various anxiety medication which has changed my mood a lot).

On Monday we went to stay at a hotel for a couple of days. We have always had a very enjoyable sex life and he’s never asked me to do anything unusual as he knows I’m pretty inexperienced and he has hinted he used to be into some fetish stuff but it was because it’s what his ex was into and he just went along with it.

For maybe the last year or so he’s occasionally slapped my bum (never hard) during which has always made me giggle because I find it quite silly but not a turn off or anything. While we were away he slapped my bum quite a few times while we were having sex and afterwards said ‘you really enjoy me being rough with you don’t you?’ to which I replied ‘you’re not rough and I like it’ because I do like our sex life.

Yesterday morning he had to leave early as he was getting a flight and gently woke me up at about 5am making it clear he fancied sex. I was pretty sleepy and he asked me if I minded if he was rough with me and I said of course not, assuming he just meant he was going to be slapping my bum a bit again which, as I said, I don’t mind him doing. Then everything seemed to happen really quickly and he grabbed my hair and pretty much lifted me up by it. He then kept choking me, slapping and pinching and biting me all over and picking me up and throwing he back on the bed, dragging me by my hair and really, really hurting me. He had sex with me incredibly roughly too. I started crying while he was having sex with me and trying to ask him to stop but everytime I tried to say something he choked me or put his hand in my mouth.

As soon as he finished he said that he didn’t mean to make me cry but he had to go away for a few days and he’d see me soon. As if I was crying because he had to leave and not because he’d just really hurt me.

I have bite marks and scratches all over me, I’m absolutely covered in bruises and I’m pretty sure I’ve got a bladder infection as I’m so sore when I urinate. I don’t know what happened or why he suddenly did this. He’s never seemed to want to hurt me before and even when he was doing it he seemed to be saying things that made it sound like he thought I was enjoying it.

It’s like the person I thought I knew didn’t exist. I don’t understand why he’d wait so long if this is what he wanted to do or if he genuinely thought that I’d enjoy basically being beaten up and suffocated.

He hasn’t really been in contact other than to say his flight landed and a few photos of where he is. He hasn’t asked me how I am or made any mention of the fact that yesterday morning he had hurt almost every part of my body.

I don’t know what to say to him. There’s no way I can have sex with him again as he terrified me. I don’t want to have sex with someone who wants to physically injure me.

We had a really nice few days together and then he turned into a different person and I don’t know what to do.

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Thevelvelletes · 07/09/2024 19:59

samanthablues · 07/09/2024 19:51

I agree, telling his mum you’re going to the police is madness. Protecting her “honor”? Sounds so 18th century. Her honor is not the problem, she’s suffered a horrible attack from a dangerous man she’s involved with. She’s probably very afraid if she goes to police he can do something worse. She needs support right now, good friends, sister, family or specialist centre. Involving her MIL and the drama it will generate is the last thing she needs.

It's not her mil ,I think op only see's the guy twice a month and they live separately and she has two children from a previous relationship.
Probably best she gets professional help and support from close trusted friends and family if possible.

NonsuchCastle · 07/09/2024 19:59

GraceOMalleyReturns · 07/09/2024 19:02

Because I wanted him to see what he’d done to me. I don’t care about the police, not at the moment. I’m doing my best.

Yep, the OP must do as she wants. Lots of us have advised her to cut contact, but she is not there yet. She must do as she wants to do.
Hugs to you, my love.

GraceOMalleyReturns · 07/09/2024 20:01

Catoo · 07/09/2024 19:57

I know it’s really hard to believe after three years OP. But this was not a mistake. He isn’t going to be sorry. Raping, brutalising and frightening women is, I’m afraid, what he likes. And it will escalate. Please no more messages trying to get him to be sorry. He enjoyed himself which is truly chilling - I am certain this man will be in jail for life one day.

Don’t ever agree to meet him again. Do not get pulled until any more conversations either on the phone or by msg. He’s waiting to see if you are writing this off as a mistake and if you’ll report him or if he’ll get another chance to do the same. He knows you will be completely confused and disbelieving.

Agree with PP that if this man has spent any time in your house looking after you when you were ill, ever popped to the shop for you where your keys were available, then he likely had a key cut. I would change the locks for peace of mind and install a ring go or similar.

Your GP sounds excellent and I would reconsider going to the service she recommended.

Sending all best wishes. You’re doing well. Going to the GP so quickly was a good move and it’s great you have some treatment.

💐💐

Thank you 💐. I’m certain he hasn’t got a copy of my keys though. I live rurally in a semi next to very trusted neighbours and only lock my doors at night/ if I’m going on holiday so whenever he’s been round here there have been no keys involved. Obviously I am being more cautious with door locking at the moment though.

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NonsuchCastle · 07/09/2024 20:02

GraceOMalleyReturns · 07/09/2024 19:01

The worst thing is that every bit of me hurts and all I want to do is have him hug me and tell me it’s all alright. A few days ago I had a lovely boyfriend and now it seems he never even existed.

It is absolutely normal for you to feel like this. To want a hug from your lovely boyfriend. Who is not actually a lovely boyfriend.

Your brain still holds the feelings and memories of the lovely boyfriend who would comfort you.
Do NOT feel weird or stupid about these seemingly contradictory things. It is normal. You are not a robot.

NonsuchCastle · 07/09/2024 20:06

Smineusername · 07/09/2024 19:33

My wee darling I know how you are feeling and I know you just want a hug and for this all to go away and to have been a bad dream. I know that's what you want and it is so normal and human to want that. I need you to not let yourself do that. There are bad people in the world and you've run into one of them. He is a bad, malicious, dangerous person and no matter what happens you need to make sure he never gets anywhere near you ever again. Please tell more people about this so that this knowledge exists in the world and you/he can't brush it under the carpet. Message his mother or best friend and say out loud that he has violently raped you and you are fearing for your safety. Tell him you have or are going to report even if you aren't. You are going to have to fight like a tiger here to make it known that you are not the sort of person who will lie down and accept being raped as a part of life. You are going to have to fight like a tiger to honour and protect yourself from this. When you fight this fight you are acting on behalf of all women everywhere throughout time. He knows and you know what he's done. You have to be strong now. We are all behind you for as long as it takes

I know you mean well but involving his mother is a bad idea. Contacting him is a bad idea. And she is not responsible for acting on behalf of women everywhere.
At the moment, she is in shock and pain. She has been advised to go to the police, but she does not want to at the moment. She must NOT be badgered by us to do that. She has heard us and it's her choice.
She has photos and the evidence of her doctor if she decides to go to the police.

NonsuchCastle · 07/09/2024 20:10

Smineusername · 07/09/2024 19:58

The cynic in me would want to put it in writing now that it is rape because I can see him lawyering away to misrepresented it. But we all know that virtually 100% of rapes go unpunished so I wouldn't put too much/any faith in the criminal justice system regardless. But so sickening to see him actively exploiting that, really stomach turning

This rape would almost certainly result in his conviction, given the evidence.

GraceOMalleyReturns · 07/09/2024 20:15

I’ve just realised that the first time he contacted me (we met via social media) was after I’d related a violent experience I’d had as a teenager. He DM’d me some really kind words and we got chatting from there. Fucking hell, I’ve been such an idiot.

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Thevelvelletes · 07/09/2024 20:17

Definitely not an idiot.
You've came into contact with a manipulative predator.

GraceOMalleyReturns · 07/09/2024 20:17

NonsuchCastle · 07/09/2024 20:10

This rape would almost certainly result in his conviction, given the evidence.

My sister in law was raped and it didn’t even get to court, despite her rapist having left a voicemail in which he apologised for raping her and DNA evidence. Her rapist was brought in for a single voluntary interview and that was it.

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samanthablues · 07/09/2024 20:20

GraceOMalleyReturns · 07/09/2024 20:15

I’ve just realised that the first time he contacted me (we met via social media) was after I’d related a violent experience I’d had as a teenager. He DM’d me some really kind words and we got chatting from there. Fucking hell, I’ve been such an idiot.

You were not an idiot by any means OP, he’s a predator, you were just responding to kindness from a stranger.

samanthablues · 07/09/2024 20:25

GraceOMalleyReturns · 07/09/2024 20:17

My sister in law was raped and it didn’t even get to court, despite her rapist having left a voicemail in which he apologised for raping her and DNA evidence. Her rapist was brought in for a single voluntary interview and that was it.

problem is that your was much more than a rape OP, yours was also a physical attack with injuries, that’s two crimes (rape plus physical attack resulting in bodily injuries) that were properly recorded by a GP, that’s some serious stuff That he can easily get convicted.

AnonAnonmystery · 07/09/2024 20:55

GraceOMalleyReturns · 07/09/2024 20:15

I’ve just realised that the first time he contacted me (we met via social media) was after I’d related a violent experience I’d had as a teenager. He DM’d me some really kind words and we got chatting from there. Fucking hell, I’ve been such an idiot.

Omg he groomed you so clearly. I’m so sorry x

NonsuchCastle · 07/09/2024 21:09

GraceOMalleyReturns · 07/09/2024 20:15

I’ve just realised that the first time he contacted me (we met via social media) was after I’d related a violent experience I’d had as a teenager. He DM’d me some really kind words and we got chatting from there. Fucking hell, I’ve been such an idiot.

Definitely not an idiot. You've been manipulated and groomed by a master of the trade. You're not an idiot. He is filth.

LunaNorth · 07/09/2024 21:21

Do you know when he’s due back in the UK, OP?

NonsuchCastle · 07/09/2024 21:33

GraceOMalleyReturns · 07/09/2024 20:17

My sister in law was raped and it didn’t even get to court, despite her rapist having left a voicemail in which he apologised for raping her and DNA evidence. Her rapist was brought in for a single voluntary interview and that was it.

Love, did your sister in law have the injuries you have? With the back up of photos and doctor?
The voicemail may have been inadmissible due to the rules of evidence (I won't get into that now but things that you think might be evidence in court, might not be. There are rules.).
The DNA could be explained away with "she consented".
So, without the voicemail being allowed as evidence, all the police would have would be semen which he could explain away as "she agreed".
Whatever, it's not the same case as your sil's. And I wouldn't advise comparing your situation to other situations in terms of going to court, because you don't know the rules of evidence. they can be complicated and seemingly "not fair" sometimes.
But it's up to you what you do. xxxxx

TheNuthatch · 07/09/2024 21:39

Well done for going to see a doctor. I hope the treatment helps with the pain. It makes me whince when you describe your injuries.

It's perfectly understandable that you need to grieve the relationship you thought you had. There are two of him in your mind.

He definitely chose you from what he read online. It's chilling that he has spent 3 whole years grooming you. It must be so difficult for you to come to terms with that.
He's a dangerous man op, very dangerous! Don't take anything for granted and protect your personal safety at all costs. In his mind, he has spent 3 years working hard to get his prey (you) to this point. I wouldn't be surprised if tried to come back to you.
Sending you a virtual hug.

AnonAnonmystery · 07/09/2024 21:40

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AnonAnonmystery · 07/09/2024 21:41

I am sorry for the typo, I meant exactly and not scantily as I cannot find my glasses atm

NonsuchCastle · 07/09/2024 21:42

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You have just basically said that if he does it to another woman it will be OP's fault for not reporting him. STOP.
She does not need to be reminded or badgered about the consequences of reporting or not reporting him. We have already discussed all this.
She has not made up her mind about reporting him yet and we should leave her to make her decision.
It is NOT her responsbility to protect others from him. Her responsibility is to herself only.

LunaNorth · 07/09/2024 21:44

Please stop piling pressure onto the OP to go to the police. She’s probably living minute to minute at the moment; injured, ill and in shock. It’s too much to expect her to act in the interests of women she hasn’t met when she’s in such distress.

Concentrate on healing yourself, OP. Now isn’t the time to make any decisions about what to do in the future, other than how to protect yourself once this animal is back in the UK. I feel quite concerned that you shouldn’t be alone for the foreseeable future.

NonsuchCastle · 07/09/2024 21:57

By the way, OP, please private message me any time if you want to.

AnonAnonmystery · 07/09/2024 22:02

Sorry all I didn’t mean to cause offence and I will get admin to remove my post: I am in no way trying to blame op for anything, she’s been through enough, @GraceOMalleyReturns sorry for any upset caused. I wish you heal well mentally and physically and I won’t post again,

NonsuchCastle · 07/09/2024 23:40

AnonAnonmystery · 07/09/2024 22:02

Sorry all I didn’t mean to cause offence and I will get admin to remove my post: I am in no way trying to blame op for anything, she’s been through enough, @GraceOMalleyReturns sorry for any upset caused. I wish you heal well mentally and physically and I won’t post again,

Thank you, AnonAnon.

Valeriekat · 08/09/2024 03:31

Rapists it seems often send chatty messages to their victims in case phone conversations are used as evidence. Pretending it was a misunderstanding, he would never hurt you, you still like him etc etc.

FOJN · 08/09/2024 07:51

GraceOMalleyReturns · 07/09/2024 13:26

I took some photos of my neck and chest and sent them to him and said this is what you do to me. He replied ‘oops, I’ll be more careful next time’. Like there’s going to be a next time.

Hi OP, I'm so sorry this has happened to you and I do appreciate the struggle of trying to reconcile the man who did this to you with the man you thought you knew but as others have pointed out he manipulated and planned to get to this point.

You sent the photos because you thought they he would be shocked and full of remorse about how injured you are. He is not sorry and worse than than that I imagine, given his flippant response and reference to a next time, he found them exciting. Please stop projecting normality onto this dangerous man, he does not think or feel like normal people, he was aroused by hurting you.

I know you are doing your best but please understand that he will interpret your lack of outrage as consent to normalising this in your relationship. I know you do not plan to see him again but I think he is more likely to turn up at your house if you do not make your position clear. Message him and tell him you did not consent to what he did to you and you do not want to see or hear from him again and then block. Have a plan in place to make sure you stay safe if he does turn up.

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