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My DS (13) is not safe and no-one will listen to me - our relationship is broken

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anotherdayinhell · 30/08/2024 00:40

Hi All,
Long time poster name changed for obvious reasons. I cant believe I am writing this.

My DS is 13. DD is 6 (different dads) Both disabled in their own way, DS has got autism which was diagnosed around dec 2023, awaiting ADHD result however he 100% has ADHD - would bet my life on it.

The last 3.5 years have been hell, self harm, suicidal thoughts, missing from home episodes, drugs, aggresive and abusive behaviours shown to me. DS dad doesn't bother with him much. DD's dad i have a restraining order against as he was very abusive - we all witnessed horrendous DV from him - him to me witnessed by DS mostly not always physical but that doesn't matter right, it still leaves damage.

In June my DS did a 36 hour long missing from home - i thought he was dead i honestly did - finally found him and then the following week he did 3 more missing in the same evening and the police did actually listen to me when I said i cant stop him he becomes extremely violent and placed him under a police protection order - his grandad (dads side) who he has seen approx 4 times in the whole of this 13 years on earth offered to take him temporarily while social worker put things in place to help me and him....anyway... fast forward to Monday 19th August and i ended up at grandads flat where DS is temporarily staying, he disclosed to me grandad is smoking cannabis with him and giving it to him daily , i made him give me access to his phone (Which he stole off me unknown to me a few months previous and still was logged into all my info facebook insta emails and google photo back up - this is relevant) and checked it, there it was, all the videos and photos of my ds smoking cannabis in grandads flat EVERYDAY, with grandad in the background of some pics/vidoes and another young adult who also lives in the flat. My DS asked me not to tell the social worker/police however I knew I didn't have a choice, grandad clearly leaving him alone everyday all day to go to work, he's smoking weed everyday ALOT of weed and he is clearly being neglected (no bed sleeping on the sofa, dirty flat, he looked disgusting when i went around) - and to make it even better for myself (so I could investigate further as it was my phone he stole at some point previously all his pictures and videos were backed up to my cloud so i was able to save them). Spent 2 days with my son as I forced him to come home with me that day - no restrictions on this as i still have PR and nothing stating he cant be at home. He wanted to return to grandads tuesday PM - we made a deal that when he was due to see the social worker on Thursday he would tell her the truth - if he didn't i would be forced to disclose. He didnt tell the truth. Saturday I reported to social and the police everything above and supplied evidence....and then Tuesday the social worker was due to come and speak with me - she says there's not enough evidence and the police are not concerned about the cannabis but my DS has made serious physical abuse allegegations against me - including allegations that I have harmed his DS my DD also and he has concerns. This is all untrue. Grandad become aware Sunday that the police had been informed regarding all the evidence i had and it just seems to me that they have now come up with these allgeations to try and distract from my evidence?
I don't know. My heads spinning and my sons not safe in that flat however DS would not come with me and i cant force him home because he would essentially go missing again and/or make more false allegations about me.

The allegations hes made about me are very serious - to be honest I am not worried about them as I know they didnt happen - im more worried now about why hes made them, and what are they going to do to help him as the enviroment hes in at the moment is neglectful....

Dont really know why im posting- its full of typos and im probably going to get a few bullshit posts back in response. All I know is im so worried no one is listening to my concerns about grandad and his flat and no one is helping me and after these horrendous allegations my ds has made i dont know we will ever be able to move past them .
I am heartbroken.

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Puddlewoman · 30/08/2024 10:59

You have lost control of the situation and I don't think you can get it back in the way you want. He is never going to come home and live peacefully with you and his sister going to school and everything being sunshine and roses.
So you need to take control of the situation in a different way. He lives with grandad right now so you visit them and ask if this is what he wants full time. When he inevitably says yes you transfer everything to grandad. You give him the child benefit the dla if he gets it take him off your universal credit if you get that, get grandad to put in a cms request he won't get much but it makes it official DS isn't living with you. Then you contact school change his address and contact person. You do not want to be getting fined for him not attending. Let social services know that as they have not found any evidence of drug taking you will take their advice and he will be living with grandad from now on and that he will be their primary contact.
You text him every morning "Hi love you hope you have a good day." and every evening "Hi, love you I hope you had a good day" Keep the contact light and breezy
Once a week pop round to visit take some bread and milk and sweets. Keep everything light and socialable don't get into telling him off or making statements on how they live. Take him out if he wants to go with you keep the relationship more friends than family
Then you and DD step back and breathe and live a life without abuse in your home you can sort your work out yes you will worry but you can't help him until he chooses to let you. If he asks to come back then there are house rules put in place about how he treats people but address that when and if it happens. He will come round eventually lets hope its before he does something he can't come back from

oakleaffy · 30/08/2024 11:00

cupcaske123 · 30/08/2024 09:45

Weed, especially skunk, triggers mental health issues. It's not a good idea to encourage it.

Even in Holland {Amsterdam} when I visited in late 1990's was very critical of cannabis use in the younger people - it's not good for the developing brain.

Weed has got stronger since then through selective breeding.

EdithBond · 30/08/2024 11:01

You’re being so strong and brave. You must be beside yourself with worry and you’re under so much stress. It certainly puts other worries into perspective.

Your health and well-being are so important. So, I hope you’re getting access to therapy and eating OK, even though you’re not getting much sleep.

I’m no expert on autism. So, these ideas might be patronising and rubbish.

Is there anyone who could come to stay with you for a while? Or even be at your home a lot? A relative, friend or neighbour? If, whenever your DS is in your home, you and another adult are there being calm, having a laugh and getting on with things, it might change the dynamics and he may feel less pressured and try to control his behaviour a little more. Kids always behave worst to their parents at home.

I know my son at that age reacted to my anxiety and stress by getting stressed and aggressive himself. So, it’d snowball. Whereas if I stayed calm and used humour and deflection (i.e. had a bit of banter about things other than his behaviour, like football) he calmed down. Humour can really help with young people. They always like the teachers best who have a joke with them.

Also, how do you think he’d respond to doing something special with just you every week or so? Special mum and son time. A nice walk somewhere calm and then lunch (I know money’s tight, but maybe a special picnic). Somewhere you can take in nature, perhaps exert yourselves climbing a big hill and admire the view. Not talk about your problems at all, but just be in the moment. If you made it a regular thing, wherever he’s staying, he may look forward to it and it could become a special and safe space for him.

Finally, as he’s too young for a job, could he help out anywhere, where a firm, funny man could take him under his wing a bit. Depends on your DS’s interests and where you live. But preferably outside and doing something physical or looking after someone/something else: boxing gym, football training, farm, plant nursery, landscaper…

It might give him the male role model he might need at that age and get him out of his head a bit, getting some exercise and fresh air. Plus, give him some purpose and pride. Lots of men, if you ask them, will agree to help out, especially ones who’ve gone off the rails themselves when young. My son’s football coach was brilliant and helped a lot of kids. You might need to do a bit of asking around, but could be worth a shot?

I’m sure you do. But tell him you love him every day, wherever he is. Kids never forget that. And it won’t last forever. The teenage years can be very hard for some kids. But they level out eventually. If you stay firm, calm and loving, he’ll appreciate you for it eventually.

cupcaske123 · 30/08/2024 11:07

oakleaffy · 30/08/2024 11:00

Even in Holland {Amsterdam} when I visited in late 1990's was very critical of cannabis use in the younger people - it's not good for the developing brain.

Weed has got stronger since then through selective breeding.

There's a lot of evidence that it can trigger severe mental health problems such as psychosis and schizophrenia. It also triggers anxiety and paranoia.

IncessantNameChanger · 30/08/2024 11:14

This is a sad reflection of the reality of socail care. I don't think you can do much until they conclude the aligations your son has made.

An emergency annual review of his ehcp might help, but again reality we had an emergency review for my daughter in March and its just sat at school then the LA unactioned. Lots of work went into it, but I know it will never be finalised. School will never get their funding either. School won't fight the LA for what they need.

I won't give any advice. Just to keep on loving him. Be sure that no one has his interests at heart more than you do. That's the ultimate truth.

LlamaNoDrama · 30/08/2024 11:30

Agree re residential school. Ask for an emergency review of the EHCP and ask for this. Gather evidence, speak to Ipsea and/or sossen.

millymoo1202 · 30/08/2024 14:04

Sounds like he needs to be in a residential unit, my daughter worked in one and it changed some kids lives around. A he under cahms care?

Sladuf · 30/08/2024 18:09

Allthehorsesintheworld · 30/08/2024 09:08

I’m sorry, this sounds so hard for you.
I’d second Barnardo’s , and I think a residential school place is a priority to fight for ( tho everything shouldn’t be a fight)
Point out to SS that the cannabis use is potentially damaging to his MH. His grandfather could also be dealing and ask the SW , repeatedly if necessary, if that is the environment they choose to leave a child in.

This definitely needs pointing out to SS. My impression is it sounds like the OP is dealing with someone inexperienced or lacking in capability and both of those have led to disastrous decisions in other cases.
I think @RosesAndHellebores and @Zebedee999’s suggestions of local MP involvement are sound. The various agencies do need a metaphorical kick up the backside. It is ridiculous we’ve had recent changes to the law specifically aimed at tougher sentencing for supplying controlled drugs to children under 13 and what the heck is going on in this case? OP’s son is finding the cannabis under his pillow after the cannabis fairy has been, is he? I’m concerned about this other adult living in the grandfather’s flat, which the OP mentioned. Who is this person? The mind boggles.

I sadly don’t think the possible county lines scenario can be overlooked either. They’ve not considered bigger picture implications with this case. I’ve just found my way to UK government guidance issued for front line professionals including social workers on what to look for and what to do if they suspect there’s a case of criminal exploitation of children, specifically county lines. A key point being Police involvement should not be limited to instances of immediate risk of harm.

PeriIsKickingMyButt · 30/08/2024 18:29

This definitely needs pointing out to SS. My impression is it sounds like the OP is dealing with someone inexperienced or lacking in capability

why do you think that? What do you think the social worker should be doing here? They didn't place the child in that environment. They have no power to remove him from that environment. They have no alternative place for him to go. What do you think 'pointing out' will achieve?

Starlight7080 · 30/08/2024 18:39

Did he ever get help for all the abuse he witnessed at home ? Was his step dad abusive towards him? Would he have kept anything he did secret from you? . It sounds like he has had a tough home life and so acting out is his way to cope.
Obviously the grandad was a mistake from the start .
It's terrible he wasn't offered more help then just moving him to a unsuitable relative .
You can probably only try to do best by your dd now and hope she won't be affected by everything .
And hope your son comes back to you on his own .

Haveacuppaandwaitforthistoblowover · 03/09/2024 00:41

Op I hope you are OK? I sent you a PM

anotherdayinhell · 07/09/2024 20:36

Hi everyone
It's been an awful couple of days..
I will update asap I appreciate you all and I will update asap

My heads a mess

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TealPoet · 07/09/2024 21:41

OhcantthInkofaname · 30/08/2024 01:25

He needs to be in residential care somewhere.

I agree, you’re completely right to prioritise your DD - and your! - safety at this point. You can’t force him to behave and if he’s physically abusive it’s not on you to stop it! You poor soul!

anotherdayinhell · 11/09/2024 19:24

Sorry for my posting and running - life got crazy.

DS is still at grandads. Social have said he needs to be removed from there however dont feel he can come home at this point due to safeguarding DD and myself and have no spaces in care for him anywhere right now... so for now they are leaving him there while making a sturdy support plan for me going forward for when he comes back. I dont see that happening anytime soon so they are literally just leaving him there.

Got his ADHD result today - he has ADHD, thought he did.... im totally head mushed at the moment, school have said he is withdrawn, social worker saw him today with the police and he didnt say much other than he doesnt want to see me or DD...... I dont know what I can do now....

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anotherdayinhell · 11/09/2024 19:40

Oh and he has said to police he doesn't want to act on his allegations against me. That's all I know at this point. Wrote him a letter for the social worker to give to him or read to him he said no to both and so thats where it was left. He doesnt want to see me, he doesnt want to see his sister.

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anotherdayinhell · 11/09/2024 19:42

Mentioned residential school to social worker today - she dismissed it. Will call an emergency review for his EHCP and battle for that if that's the only option we have... going to be a hard fight with the lack of funding etc but hey ho..
I'm deflated and just completely fed up with the whole sorry show - its a mess and no one listened to me, this could of all been avoided if he just listened to me.

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Haveacuppaandwaitforthistoblowover · 12/09/2024 00:01

Hi again OP,

I mailed you but not sure you got it, as I'm not a regular on here. I know a very similar situation to you very much but won't speak of it on here. It might help you to chat. I hope you are ok, it's hard work and like banging yourself off a brick wall. Social workers go against their own policies constantly and make you look the nut job! I know this.

Take care

TISSHA · 12/09/2024 00:37

Oh my @anotherdayinhell ; you are really going through the mill. I simply cannot imagine how you must be feeling, and how terrifying and unknown the future feels for you. You are incredible - brave and strong and determined. I am so so sorry this is happening to you.

No one would know what to do in this situation. No one. There is no solution that will sort it out in an instant. I think @Dibbydoos has made some really good points, and this might be a good way of reframing it so that you can make peace with where you are right now.

He is as safe as he can be at the moment (although far from ideal I know) - he is staying in one place, so social workers can meet him/keep an eye on him, and update you. You and your DD are safe and peaceful.

God, I wish there was something more I could say to comfort you. You will be in my thoughts, know you are not alone; we are all alongside you. Courage.

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2024 06:11

I'm so sorry. That sounds unimaginably hard.

For now; there's nothing you can do. Take the time to look after yourself and DD.

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