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Please help me. Father refusing to bring daughter home

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seethesunflowers · 20/08/2024 01:48

Hello everyone,

I have NC to protect my identity.

I know it is too early to post at this time. But I haven't been sleeping nor eating for a couple of days. My abusive ex is making excuses not to return our daughter back home and I don't know what to do.

To begin. I have a daughter who is 13 and has additionally needs. I have been the primary carer for my daughter since she's been born whilst her father was in and out of her life and due to the abuse, was encouraged to see our daughter through supervised contact but he refused.

Two years ago, he reappeared and requested to be involved in our daughter's life. But has caused nothing but trouble. He proclaims that he wants to see his daughter but I feel this is more about him reclaiming his control. So many episodes have happened (he has an indefinite restraining order in place). He has been stalking me, been outside our flat on numerous occasions, came to my daughter school to attempt to take her and sundew had a big scuffle with the teachers who stopped him, One day my daughter saw him on the way to school and she went out with him and by the time I found out, he then began to refuse to bring her back, we rang the police, we were searching up and down past 1am until my mother convinced him to bring her back. He proclaimed that he wanted to see his daughter and I was refusing and wanted us to sort out the matter. I did not. I was hoping he would soon begin to lose interest but I wished I took this as a sign to take this to court. As you can see, he has been breaching the restraining order over and over again.

Fast forward to last week, my daughter and I have been staying at my family's house during the summer break as we are renovating our flat. My cousin and my ex get along very very well and in the past, when my daughter will spend weekends at my family's house, my ex will contact my cousin to get through to my daughter and they will have telephone conversations. I didn't think this was weird and was slightly relieved so didn't take an issue with this. But then my ex would give my cousin stuff to give to my daughter that he bought for her- but I was unaware, to the point that my cousin would refuse to tell me what the dad got for my daughter as he would say "it is his business and he told me not to tell you".

Anyway, back to last week. So we have been staying at my family's house yada yada. My daughter went to see my cousin to ask him about something, whilst I was downstairs pottering around. Then all of a sudden, I just heard a bang- like a door has been shut and footsteps hurrying out. I immediately went to look out of the door, but saw nothing, I then went to look out of the window to see who went out of the house, nothing, I then went upstairs to check on my daughter, but despite calling her name, she was not answering and I couldn't see my cousin. I immediately called my cousin but he was not picking up my calls. Then, I just knew that my cousin took my daughter to her father's house. I called my sister, my ex's family, and they confirmed that they were able to get through to the dad and my cousin and confirmed that my daughter was at their father's.

I have called my ex on numerous occasions to bring my daughter home. But he is refusing. He says that this is all "my fault" and that I should have made an agreement to allow him to see her and that he would only return her if an agreement was put in place or he would keep a hold of her and wait for the court to ask him to return her back. My family have been pleading with him to return our daughter back and he would then make promises that he will return her on such and such day, but makes an excuse not to bring her. He is asking to see his daughter, unsupervised, one day a week during term day and to have her for half of the holidays. But I have told him that due to his unpredictable behaviour and the fact we can't co parent and that he doesn't know my daughter very well. We need to take it step by step and have something in writing. But he is refusing.

I have had to cancel all my daughter's doctor's appointments because she is not back. I have spoken to her on the phone and she seems okay. But she doesn't know where she is and would not tell me as her father tells her not to say anything. Her father has now agreed to give her back tomorrow as she has an appointment then but now he is asking for proof of this as he has enjoyed spending time with her and does not want her to come back. Now I am up worried that this will be another excuse not to bring her home.

What do I do? I know she is 13- soon to be 14 and that she is a teen and wants to see her father and can technically just go and see her father whenever she wants without my permission. But her father's behaviour is so unpredictable, where it compromises my safety. My cousin is ignoring my calls and is refusing to tell me the father's address. I am just distraught. I have brought her up as a single parent for the past 13 years. We have a holiday booked but I don't know if I have to cancel that one. I am just broken and don't know what to do.

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CowTown · 20/08/2024 19:32

seethesunflowers · 20/08/2024 18:59

Last question. If the court order gets accepted. How can they retrieve my daughter if I do not know the father's address?

Send the police to your cousin, who knows where DD is. I still don’t understand WTF your parents haven’t kicked him out.

seethesunflowers · 20/08/2024 19:34

@CowTown

He would not talk to the police. I just know it. The whole family has been trying to get it out of him (through multiple phone calls).

He has not been seen since the day he took DD to his father's. Trust me. I am so angry at him but I need to redirect my anger to my DD's father and get her back,

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GeorgesMarvelousCalpol · 20/08/2024 19:38

I actually think you ALSO need to redirect your anger towards your parents, who let this vile cousin live with them!!
Seriously, I'm actually more angry with them - and I don't even know any of you!

fashionqueen0123 · 20/08/2024 19:41

seethesunflowers · 20/08/2024 19:34

@CowTown

He would not talk to the police. I just know it. The whole family has been trying to get it out of him (through multiple phone calls).

He has not been seen since the day he took DD to his father's. Trust me. I am so angry at him but I need to redirect my anger to my DD's father and get her back,

I thought he was living with your parents?

seethesunflowers · 20/08/2024 20:31

@fashionqueen0123

Yes he lives with my parents but he has not been back there since he has taken DD to his father's.

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Carebearsonmybed · 20/08/2024 20:34

This is why the law should never have been changed to automatically give unmarried fathers PRR.

If there's been no contact in years pRR should be revoked.

InkyPinkyPonky24 · 20/08/2024 20:36

Carebearsonmybed · 20/08/2024 20:34

This is why the law should never have been changed to automatically give unmarried fathers PRR.

If there's been no contact in years pRR should be revoked.

It's not automatic if unmarried. The mother has to be present as well as the father at registration so it's essentially the mother's consent.

Allthegoodnamesaretaken92 · 20/08/2024 21:49

Carebearsonmybed · 20/08/2024 20:34

This is why the law should never have been changed to automatically give unmarried fathers PRR.

If there's been no contact in years pRR should be revoked.

As pp PR isn’t automatic for unmarried fathers. Mother must consent/he must be present at registration.

i disagree no contact PR should be revoked. What if one party withholds contact for no reason, it’s not unknown for parents to do so out of spite forcing long court battles, or mum moves abroad with the kids, or parental alienation. PR should only be revoked if the parent is a danger to the children. Hell there are some mothers out there convicted of neglect who still have PR.

i don’t think it’s in the child’s best interest to revoke PR if that parent presents no danger.

fashionqueen0123 · 20/08/2024 23:05

seethesunflowers · 20/08/2024 20:31

@fashionqueen0123

Yes he lives with my parents but he has not been back there since he has taken DD to his father's.

I wonder what will happen when he turns back up.

HauntedbyMagpies · 20/08/2024 23:46

@PyongyangKipperbang ETA means estimated time of arrival

PyongyangKipperbang · 20/08/2024 23:49

It also means "Edited to add" on most fora that I have used over the last 20 years, given the context I would assume that that was obvious.

HauntedbyMagpies · 20/08/2024 23:50

@Justsayit123 @MSLRT The police CANNOT I repeat CANNOT do ANYTHING if he is the child's father! Not unless there is a court order in place or a Prohibited Steps Order stipulating that he is not to remove child from mother's care - which OP has already said she does not have

HauntedbyMagpies · 20/08/2024 23:56

PyongyangKipperbang · 20/08/2024 23:49

It also means "Edited to add" on most fora that I have used over the last 20 years, given the context I would assume that that was obvious.

Never seen that before in my 25 years on online forums

PyongyangKipperbang · 21/08/2024 00:07

HauntedbyMagpies · 20/08/2024 23:56

Never seen that before in my 25 years on online forums

Ok.

Estimated Time of Arrival....was your mention of 25 years mean to one up me? It didn't. I'm so sorry you feel the need, also a little bit sorry that it made me laugh.

GeorgesMarvelousCalpol · 21/08/2024 00:41

PyongyangKipperbang · 21/08/2024 00:07

Ok.

Estimated Time of Arrival....was your mention of 25 years mean to one up me? It didn't. I'm so sorry you feel the need, also a little bit sorry that it made me laugh.

Edited

I saw that and was tempted to add a post saying.. in my 30 years in online forums it's always meant... but then we could be here all night 😆😂

I mean unless we are travelling somewhere on this thread Est. Time of arrival makes no sense 🤔

PyongyangKipperbang · 21/08/2024 02:08

GeorgesMarvelousCalpol · 21/08/2024 00:41

I saw that and was tempted to add a post saying.. in my 30 years in online forums it's always meant... but then we could be here all night 😆😂

I mean unless we are travelling somewhere on this thread Est. Time of arrival makes no sense 🤔

I agree but this thread is about @seethesunflowers getting her child back, so we shouldn't let someone derail that, which I fell for first and I apologise for.

GeorgesMarvelousCalpol · 21/08/2024 08:49

Absolutely right @PyongyangKipperbang, I shouldn't be so flippant.
Hoping for good news for you today @seethesunflowers 🙏.

SmileyHappyPeopleInTheSun · 21/08/2024 10:23

seethesunflowers · 20/08/2024 17:13

Hello everyone,

Just to provide an update.

I spoke to a fantastic solicitor who unfortunately could not take on my case urgently. But gave me some great advice. I have been advised to fill out a couple of forms urgently and present this at the court tomorrow. I'll see how I will get on. But I have been advised to do this urgently! The father has mentioned that he will return our DD on Friday but I cannot risk it.

I'd follow that legal advice.

The police should have the means of tracking people down - seen posters on say they've use private investigator services who manage it without the police resources. So I would try hard not to worry about that and focus on legal side and getting that sorted so they can act.

After she is back - I'd have a very firm conversation with your parents and cut cousin out of your life completely.

Augustisnearlydonesogoodbyesun · 21/08/2024 11:51

At the very least you can ask the police to do a welfare check. Your dd is vulnerable and with a virtual stranger... Even a court would agree the dm needs to know where her dc are sleeping over.... Especially since it is a relatively 'new' relationship... And against ss advisement..

seethesunflowers · 21/08/2024 12:50

Hello everyone,

I am currently in court waiting to be seen but I have been told that my application will not go through unless I pay the application court fee. I've applied for the 'Help with costs' last night but I have just been told this morning that I am not eligible. What can I do if I'm not able to pay for the court fee at this present!

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blackcherryconserve · 21/08/2024 13:30

seethesunflowers · 21/08/2024 12:50

Hello everyone,

I am currently in court waiting to be seen but I have been told that my application will not go through unless I pay the application court fee. I've applied for the 'Help with costs' last night but I have just been told this morning that I am not eligible. What can I do if I'm not able to pay for the court fee at this present!

Can you ask your parents to pay it?

GeorgesMarvelousCalpol · 21/08/2024 13:48

How much is it?
What would I do? I'd beg, borrow, or steal the money.

Dartsplayer · 21/08/2024 15:20

Can you borrow the money for now or pay it on a credit card? Court fees are £255

Yalta · 21/08/2024 15:53

I think you need to ask your parents for the money. If they are willing to put a roof over your cousins head then they either are willing or not to pay for the court fees the cousin has effectively cost you

If they say they can’t then I think you have to come to terms with where you stand in their life and I would be taking a dim view of your parents if they won’t help you.

Personally when people say people are too soft, you usually find people who know exactly what they are doing and deep down are as hard as nails who hide behind the facade of “acting kindly”
Personally I don’t think they are on your side if they are still housing your cousin. They have picked their side and it isn’t yours and at this stage if they are not with you they are against you

I presume the cousin is paying them to stay with them and they are putting the cousins money over the welfare of their dd and dgd

Yalta · 21/08/2024 15:59

seethesunflowers · 20/08/2024 19:34

@CowTown

He would not talk to the police. I just know it. The whole family has been trying to get it out of him (through multiple phone calls).

He has not been seen since the day he took DD to his father's. Trust me. I am so angry at him but I need to redirect my anger to my DD's father and get her back,

I also think you are giving him too much power.

You can’t say someone won’t talk to the police so inferring that there is no point the police trying

If the police want to talk to someone then they will talk to them and they will expect answers to questions and failure to answer will result in further action till they get their answers