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Please help me. Father refusing to bring daughter home

289 replies

seethesunflowers · 20/08/2024 01:48

Hello everyone,

I have NC to protect my identity.

I know it is too early to post at this time. But I haven't been sleeping nor eating for a couple of days. My abusive ex is making excuses not to return our daughter back home and I don't know what to do.

To begin. I have a daughter who is 13 and has additionally needs. I have been the primary carer for my daughter since she's been born whilst her father was in and out of her life and due to the abuse, was encouraged to see our daughter through supervised contact but he refused.

Two years ago, he reappeared and requested to be involved in our daughter's life. But has caused nothing but trouble. He proclaims that he wants to see his daughter but I feel this is more about him reclaiming his control. So many episodes have happened (he has an indefinite restraining order in place). He has been stalking me, been outside our flat on numerous occasions, came to my daughter school to attempt to take her and sundew had a big scuffle with the teachers who stopped him, One day my daughter saw him on the way to school and she went out with him and by the time I found out, he then began to refuse to bring her back, we rang the police, we were searching up and down past 1am until my mother convinced him to bring her back. He proclaimed that he wanted to see his daughter and I was refusing and wanted us to sort out the matter. I did not. I was hoping he would soon begin to lose interest but I wished I took this as a sign to take this to court. As you can see, he has been breaching the restraining order over and over again.

Fast forward to last week, my daughter and I have been staying at my family's house during the summer break as we are renovating our flat. My cousin and my ex get along very very well and in the past, when my daughter will spend weekends at my family's house, my ex will contact my cousin to get through to my daughter and they will have telephone conversations. I didn't think this was weird and was slightly relieved so didn't take an issue with this. But then my ex would give my cousin stuff to give to my daughter that he bought for her- but I was unaware, to the point that my cousin would refuse to tell me what the dad got for my daughter as he would say "it is his business and he told me not to tell you".

Anyway, back to last week. So we have been staying at my family's house yada yada. My daughter went to see my cousin to ask him about something, whilst I was downstairs pottering around. Then all of a sudden, I just heard a bang- like a door has been shut and footsteps hurrying out. I immediately went to look out of the door, but saw nothing, I then went to look out of the window to see who went out of the house, nothing, I then went upstairs to check on my daughter, but despite calling her name, she was not answering and I couldn't see my cousin. I immediately called my cousin but he was not picking up my calls. Then, I just knew that my cousin took my daughter to her father's house. I called my sister, my ex's family, and they confirmed that they were able to get through to the dad and my cousin and confirmed that my daughter was at their father's.

I have called my ex on numerous occasions to bring my daughter home. But he is refusing. He says that this is all "my fault" and that I should have made an agreement to allow him to see her and that he would only return her if an agreement was put in place or he would keep a hold of her and wait for the court to ask him to return her back. My family have been pleading with him to return our daughter back and he would then make promises that he will return her on such and such day, but makes an excuse not to bring her. He is asking to see his daughter, unsupervised, one day a week during term day and to have her for half of the holidays. But I have told him that due to his unpredictable behaviour and the fact we can't co parent and that he doesn't know my daughter very well. We need to take it step by step and have something in writing. But he is refusing.

I have had to cancel all my daughter's doctor's appointments because she is not back. I have spoken to her on the phone and she seems okay. But she doesn't know where she is and would not tell me as her father tells her not to say anything. Her father has now agreed to give her back tomorrow as she has an appointment then but now he is asking for proof of this as he has enjoyed spending time with her and does not want her to come back. Now I am up worried that this will be another excuse not to bring her home.

What do I do? I know she is 13- soon to be 14 and that she is a teen and wants to see her father and can technically just go and see her father whenever she wants without my permission. But her father's behaviour is so unpredictable, where it compromises my safety. My cousin is ignoring my calls and is refusing to tell me the father's address. I am just distraught. I have brought her up as a single parent for the past 13 years. We have a holiday booked but I don't know if I have to cancel that one. I am just broken and don't know what to do.

OP posts:
Axelotylbottle · 21/08/2024 18:08

The minimum the parents should do is pay court fees. And throw cousin out.

VickyPollard25 · 21/08/2024 18:15

Call the police. You have primary care and he’s abducted her. Lay the boundary now or you’ll be dealing with this for the rest of your life. And cut that cousin out of your life. What a betrayal.

Lovethat · 21/08/2024 18:19

I'd be calling the police and reporting your cousin for taking your child without permission

InkyPinkyPonky24 · 21/08/2024 18:20

VickyPollard25 · 21/08/2024 18:15

Call the police. You have primary care and he’s abducted her. Lay the boundary now or you’ll be dealing with this for the rest of your life. And cut that cousin out of your life. What a betrayal.

Again, it's not abduction, as awful a situation as it is.

Judecb · 21/08/2024 18:23

Call the Police immediately.

InkyPinkyPonky24 · 21/08/2024 18:24

Judecb · 21/08/2024 18:23

Call the Police immediately.

OP has already seen the Police and they have told her there's nothing they can do as it's a civil matter which is correct.

HamHook · 21/08/2024 18:53

Your cousin has essentially been an accomplice in a kidnapping. Your dd has essentially been kidnapped. Call the police.

HamHook · 21/08/2024 18:54

InkyPinkyPonky24 · 21/08/2024 18:24

OP has already seen the Police and they have told her there's nothing they can do as it's a civil matter which is correct.

I didn't see this.

Wtf? The police won't do anything?!

AnywhereAnyoneAnyTime · 21/08/2024 19:01

HamHook · 21/08/2024 18:53

Your cousin has essentially been an accomplice in a kidnapping. Your dd has essentially been kidnapped. Call the police.

No, he hasn’t.

Morally there is of course an opinion to be had but the father has parental responsibility. He has just as much right to ask someone to give his daughter a lift to his as the OP would have to e.g. arrange someone to bring the same daughter home from school.

As much as people want to think that this is some kind of drama series, while the actions of the OP’s ex and her cousin are morally reprehensible, no laws have been broken and this is not a police matter.

Shroedy · 21/08/2024 19:34

Exactly, @AnywhereAnyoneAnyTime.

The only basis on which the Police might have been able to act would have been the restraining order. Having not seen the order, it's hard to tell if they are right in their assessment but they have deemed this to not be in breach, but absent that this is a purely civil matter and the Police have no basis to act.

That doesn't mean that the father is not behaving in a way that is truly appalling. But that it's not criminal.

Ukrainebaby23 · 21/08/2024 19:38

Failure to take a child to medical appointments is considered a safeguarding issue.
Contact the police, ss and a solicitor.

Imbusytodaysorry · 21/08/2024 19:46

What you didn’t call the police ?
at the very least you need a welfare check done and reported abduction

You are in a vulnerable position though as
you haven’t secured your daughters safety via court .

if your Dd is not returned the call the police and get yourself a lawyer asap . Contact women’s aid aboit the abuse they will help find you a legal aid lawyer .

As for your cousin keep away from them for good !

SmileyHappyPeopleInTheSun · 21/08/2024 19:50

She has spoken to the police who say they can do nothing not even a welfare check and has also taken legal advice and last posting was in court but struggling with payment but if didn't make it nothing would happen with court applications.

Imbusytodaysorry · 21/08/2024 19:52

SmileyHappyPeopleInTheSun · 21/08/2024 19:50

She has spoken to the police who say they can do nothing not even a welfare check and has also taken legal advice and last posting was in court but struggling with payment but if didn't make it nothing would happen with court applications.

I just read all OP posts .
They can do a welfare check staing they can’t do anything is nonsense .

Op has a concern for a child’s welfare and is entitled to one .

The police can call the ex and he should be telling the police where he is . At least then OP knows her Dd is ok and that the place she is staying is deemed safe.

I’ve just read about costs. .This is so sad

Flozle · 21/08/2024 19:53

Breach of RO is a criminal offence - go to the police. They will make a safeguarding referral to children's services if domestic abuse is reported.

SmileyHappyPeopleInTheSun · 21/08/2024 20:03

They can do a welfare check staing they can’t do anything is nonsense .

I agree they ideally should but I did know a mother few years ago in a similar position no SEN but similar aged boy - even include DV from ex. Police were extremely unhelpful to her and she ran up a huge bill with solicitor - so can I easily believe it depends on the force and when Father has PR can be an extremely hard and drawn out process and not as easy or quick as most people assume.

OP has taken legal advice from a good solicitor and is acting on that advice with court - though has hit a snag with court costs hopefully solved since she last posted.

Allie47 · 21/08/2024 20:05

Why the hell haven't you called the police, you can't just kidnap a child. Why do you allow this cousin access to your daughter? Call the police.

blackcherryconserve · 21/08/2024 20:05

Allie47 · 21/08/2024 20:05

Why the hell haven't you called the police, you can't just kidnap a child. Why do you allow this cousin access to your daughter? Call the police.

RTFT

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 21/08/2024 20:21

@seethesunflowers I think you need to go very low contact with your parents and at the most have them visiting you instead of you visiting them at their house. your parents are clearly on your ex and your cousin's side and not yours. your cousin obviously cannot be trusted. when your daughter returns you need to cut all means of contact with your ex and your cousin for you and your child!

PeriIsKickingMyButt · 21/08/2024 20:25

Ukrainebaby23 · 21/08/2024 19:38

Failure to take a child to medical appointments is considered a safeguarding issue.
Contact the police, ss and a solicitor.

Why do people come on to really long days old threads and post as if they are responding to the first post with nobody else having posted? Don't you think that your wisdom might have already been considered in this complicated and stressful situation at some point in the last few days?

InkyPinkyPonky24 · 21/08/2024 20:47

Why do people think when the father takes care of his child it's abduction, but if the mother did the same then it's not? I don't understand people's thought process.

SparklyJadeFawn · 21/08/2024 20:56

It astounds me how so many women are up in arms about the dad taking his own child for a week, and how awful it feels for the mum.

Yet they think absolutely nothing of the women who do it to men

Women stop dad's from seeing their children for weeks and months all thet time and no thought or consideration whatsoever is given to the pain tha the dad goes through. Or the fear they have that they won't ever see their child again.

There is a lot of inequality, and lack of respect for dads as a parent.

If a dad takes his child for one single week week , women are shouting on here "call the police".

If a woman stops the dad seeing the child for one single week, the same women shouting call the police, wouldn't give a shit

SparklyJadeFawn · 21/08/2024 20:59

InkyPinkyPonky24 · 21/08/2024 20:47

Why do people think when the father takes care of his child it's abduction, but if the mother did the same then it's not? I don't understand people's thought process.

Exactly. The women shouting call the police on here really showed how skewed amd weird it is.

And the extreme little respect that father's have As parents.

If the mother had the child in her house and stopped the dad seeing the child for a week, nobody would care in the slightest how the dad feels.

However If the dad looks after his child for a week people are screaming abduction and police. As they have begun to see fathers as having absolutely no rights over their own child. It's a mad society.

Tahlbias · 21/08/2024 21:49

Omg, I really do hope you get your daughter back and that she is ok? What a nasty horrible man! 🤬

Taluulaah · 21/08/2024 21:52

PeriIsKickingMyButt · 21/08/2024 20:25

Why do people come on to really long days old threads and post as if they are responding to the first post with nobody else having posted? Don't you think that your wisdom might have already been considered in this complicated and stressful situation at some point in the last few days?

Trying to be helpful? May not be the most up to the minute, relevant advice but trying to be helpful and doing SOMETHING to attempt to give OP some guidance or reassurance is surely better than doing nothing at all…? Jus my opinion