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Feel sad at ex’s new life

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Liteattheendofthetunnel · 18/08/2024 11:02

My ex boyfriend never wanted to get married. We were engaged but it was more out of duty and never planned a wedding.

fast forward to today and he’s now got a wife and a child and another one on the way. We have a child together who he couldn’t give a shit about and sees them a few hours every few weeks.

he is absolutely besotted with her and they have a lovely lifestyle (known through mutual friends).

i just can’t help but feel sad. It feels he’s the person I begged him to be with her and I don’t want him back but it still hurts for me and my child.

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For his salary yes, for the household income, definitely not

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Over40Overdating · 18/08/2024 17:43

Nothing anyone on or off line will make you feel less angry or confused about this @Liteattheendofthetunnel.

It does seem massively unfair that dickheads change and live happily ever after but life is long so you don’t know how their story will play out. It might only look great on the surface or actually be a true love story now but why spend any more of your life wondering?

He’s a deadbeat dad, possibly a cheat and didn’t seem to add much to your life.

Put the energy being mad about it into making your life so great you don’t need to think about what he’s doing.

For what it’s worth my ‘changed for the true love of his life’ lives a very happy, picture perfect life. Social media, mutual friends etc all show him living the dream. I was knocked sick thinking about how he’d had such a change for another woman. How he’d stopped cheating and partying and being a selfish twat. It ruined my confidence for years.

One day I got a message from him that was exactly like the ones I’d read on his phone when we were together and he was fishing for some on the side action. Fundamentally he has not and will not change but I got no satisfaction from it. It made me sick I’d spent so long envying a lie.

Don’t waste any more energy on him.

MtClair · 18/08/2024 17:43

@Liteattheendofthetunnel i think you need to accept he is happy.
The best thing you can do now is find someone who truly loves you (he didn’t) and be happy yourself.

And he is still a crap father TOO, one that has no issue abandoning his child. As you said it IS sad for your dc.😢😢
But you’ll drive yourself crazy if you spend your time comparing yourself to her/them. Incl the for the dcs.

teenmaw · 18/08/2024 17:43

I know you say you're happy OP but if you really were, you'd be indifferent to what or who this prick is doing. Double down on making your life full of the things you love, enjoy the peace of not having to deal with him any more, love your girl enough for both and be grateful you don't have a horrible dick interfering and ruining your lives (that one is a real bonus). She'll make her own mind up about him over time, she has you she doesn't need him. The fact is he wasn't good for you or your girl, what he's doing is irrelevant to you as he's not your person to concern yourself with. What's it to you what he's doing? You need to work on yourself and not preoccupy yourself with something you can't control nor is your business. I dont mean to sound harsh but you need to snap out this. Loads of guys are doing well in life, why do you care what this one is doing? Move on op, you're torturing yourself. It didn't work out, it's years ago. You need to find true peace within your own life. Good luck.

MoodyMargaret11 · 18/08/2024 17:44

So what if their income is massive?
So what if they have a "great" lifestyle?
So what if their marriage is happy?

The only thing you should focus on is your dear son. Have a frank chat with your deadbeat ex and ask him why he isn't seeing his DC as he should. Tell him very clearly how this is affecting DC and how shit his (ex's) behaviour is.

The rest is irrelevant. I get that he hurt you deeply and that's hard to move on from, but OP... you deserve so much better! But the ball is in your court,only you can decide to break the shackles and venture into a new life, perhaps new relationship with a decent man who really loves you and who can give your DC love too. You can try by starting therapy and build on your self esteem and healing first, I think you really need that.

Otherstories2002 · 18/08/2024 17:46

You need to move on. You weren’t right for eachother. It’s that simple.

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BeckiWithAnI · 18/08/2024 17:46

The lack of effort with your child is reprehensible, but sadly not unusual.

Maybe he is happier now. Maybe he’s found the person who is right for him. Life is unfortunately not very fair in that regard. That said, your happiness shouldn’t be dependent on him. If it’s his unhappiness you are waiting to see before you can move on and find your own then you might never be happy.

I know that’s easier said than done and the injustice of it all stings, but when you can look at them and not even care you know you are truly moving on.

dottiedodah · 18/08/2024 17:48

Firstly I am sorry things havent worked out for you and your ex.However I think you need to block him apart from essential contact now .It is damaging you MH .Many RL do not last. and people have to move on.This is hard for you ,but often one partner is left with "What ifs " while they are unhappy .Even if ex and his GF are unhappy it doesnt mean he will come back to you.Try and see friends ,meet new people or try a dating app? Its shit for your LO but hardly unusual .Many DC rarely see their Dads ,Maybe if you have brothers ,male friends, Uncles .Let DD see them and build a RL that way.You will feel better

PlanningTowns · 18/08/2024 17:54

Liteattheendofthetunnel · 18/08/2024 17:37

For his salary yes, for the household income, definitely not

Her income is none of your business, she should not subsidise your child nor you. This comment alone just reeks of jealousy and to be perfectly honest the only person that hurts is you.

you need to reframe. You were not right together and he has found the person who seemingly is the right fit for him. Great.

you need to focus on your child. You need an adult conversation with him about his involvement if your child wants more.

Also stop listening to the stories about him. How on earth do you know about family days and holidays?

go get therapy because this mindset is not healthy for you and I can guarantee your child will pick up on it.

Josephinesnapoleon · 18/08/2024 17:57

Oh op this is very sad. Are you stalking their social media? It’s been five years now, would therapy help you? I think you need help to stop obsessing over them.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 18/08/2024 18:14

Yes I have, nuttyroche, OP doesn't want the meaningless cliches that people so helpfully spout as salve so you thought you'd dive right in with the sub-text and put the boot in whilst you're at it.

If that approach works for you then knock yourself out.

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notanotheronenow · 18/08/2024 18:20

Liteattheendofthetunnel · 18/08/2024 11:14

i know people mean well but can people please stop saying it might be bad behind closed doors because I’ve tried to move on and cope before by thinking they’ve a shit life really and they’ll never stay together etc and every single time they do something new

that's not moving on. moving on is not even thinking about them. why do you need to put other people down to make yourself feel better? focus on your own lane, you'll get much further.

DreamyCyanFinch · 18/08/2024 18:24

Liteattheendofthetunnel · 18/08/2024 11:12

They don’t post much on social media. They’re local and he’s well known and it’s a talking point of how besotted and obsessed he is with her.

Even if he is besotted and obsessed with her, it's still the honeymoon phase.
It won't stay like that even if they are really well suited.

Can you get him to take your child more hours, so you have more time to create more of a life for you?

Then you wouldn't be so interested in what they are doing?

Josephinesnapoleon · 18/08/2024 18:25

DreamyCyanFinch · 18/08/2024 18:24

Even if he is besotted and obsessed with her, it's still the honeymoon phase.
It won't stay like that even if they are really well suited.

Can you get him to take your child more hours, so you have more time to create more of a life for you?

Then you wouldn't be so interested in what they are doing?

It’s been 5 years, they have their second kid on the way.

Illpickthatup · 18/08/2024 18:25

Liteattheendofthetunnel · 18/08/2024 17:37

For his salary yes, for the household income, definitely not

But her salary doesn't matter. Your son is not her child so she's in no way responsible for financing him.

StopInhalingRevels · 18/08/2024 18:25

Liteattheendofthetunnel · 18/08/2024 17:37

For his salary yes, for the household income, definitely not

Sorry OP but you really need to get over this.

Her success, hard work, good income is nothing to do with you and you need to get it out of your head that "they" have a responsibility to his child. They don't. He does. And pays exactly what he's supposed too. Leave her alone.

You are sounding obsessed. You split up over 5yrs ago. You knew he didn't want to marry you, was your child planned? It's very easy to call someone a shit parent when they didn't want the child but the woman chooses to keep it, assuming the father will come round once the baby is here. I work with someone like this. Her ex really wasn't into her, which she knew, but she loved him and that's all she cared about. So when she discovered she was pregnant, she figured that would tie him to her for life. Which it very much hasn't. And now all we hear is what a shit dad he is. Well, the pregnancy wasn't planned, and he didn't want it. She chose to keep a child the father didn't want, and now seems permanently wounded by the situation despite her major part in making it.

You say he didn't do anything with you or your child when you were together. Why would you expect this to change when you split up? He hasn't given her the life you didn't have. That was never your life. You had the only life you would ever had with him. You'd still be unmarried and he'd be out of the house at every opportunity.

I'm sorry it sounds harsh but it's true. You really need to move on and stop obsessing over what you didn't get, because you got exactly what you were always going too. They are a completely unconnected entity 5yrs on.

DreamyCyanFinch · 18/08/2024 18:32

Josephinesnapoleon · 18/08/2024 18:25

It’s been 5 years, they have their second kid on the way.

Honeymoon phase can last for a few years even.7 year itch, is where I'm coming from.
Or when life gets tough.

Illpickthatup · 18/08/2024 18:34

PlanningTowns · 18/08/2024 17:54

Her income is none of your business, she should not subsidise your child nor you. This comment alone just reeks of jealousy and to be perfectly honest the only person that hurts is you.

you need to reframe. You were not right together and he has found the person who seemingly is the right fit for him. Great.

you need to focus on your child. You need an adult conversation with him about his involvement if your child wants more.

Also stop listening to the stories about him. How on earth do you know about family days and holidays?

go get therapy because this mindset is not healthy for you and I can guarantee your child will pick up on it.

This. It's not her fault you feel the way you do. She has every right to be loved and adored by her husband and I'm sure she's worked hard for the salary she has. This is a you problem. You clearly need to work on your self-esteem and learn to love you and accept that you and your ex just weren't right for each other.

My DH was with his ex for 12 years and never wanted to marry her. We were married within 2 years and we knew pretty much instantly that we wanted to spend the rest of our lived together. I had a fancy car and a great job, my own house etc. His ex tried to belittle out relationship saying he was only with me for my money or because I made his dinner because she just couldn't accept he'd moved on and was happy. Even now that she's engaged to someone she still causes drama and is still bitter. Don't be that woman.

Work on the areas in your life that you're not happy about. Don't pick holes in someone else or expect them to dull their shine to make you feel better.

FawnFrenchieMum · 18/08/2024 18:42

You may not want to hear this, but this sounds exactly like when me & DH met 20 years ago. Ex used to tell us and and anyone that would listen that we wouldn’t last etc. He used to have hobbies that took him away from the home as much as possible because he wasn’t happy there. It was stressful being in the house but he didn’t want to leave his kids. When he did leave, he didn’t need to spend all his time at his hobbies.

His ex would also tell everyone that he didn’t care about his kids with her as he only saw them every other weekend etc and when we had children he did lots of things with them and us together on weekends. What she failed to realise is this was mostly her doing. Everytime we asked for them, there would be an arguement or constant changing of the goal posts so in the end he just saw them at the set times. We tried to take them abroad with us, she wouldn’t let him as she wanted to take them first (they are adults now and still never been). Once the kids were teens and we could arrange contact directly with them we saw them much more.

Maybe it’s you who is the issue and not him?

Manlon · 18/08/2024 18:43

Sometimes it has little to do with love. Reasons people behave differently in another relationship can be down to a number of reasons

  • they've grown up - quite literally they are just older. The hobbies and nights out that were so appealing in their 20s, stop being that way in their 30s (had they remained single, they still would have stopped clubbing eventually type of thing). Or people get bored of previous hobbies and passions
  • they grew and learnt from the last relationship. When a relationship ends it generally drives people to reflect as part and parcel of the grieving and coming to terms - whether you're the person who was dumped or vice versa - people tend to grow from a significant relationship ending
  • a new partner may not be as accommodating. They set boundaries and they mean them, they may have a better sense of self, stronger support system, high internal confidence. It doesn't mean a person loves them more - but it can mean they'll walk a tighter rope because they understand this person will end a relationship far quicker than their previous partner might have done

While none of that necessarily feels like a 'make me better pill' - it can give some pause for thought. It doesn't mean he loves this woman more - he's just older, a little wiser, and maybe she's much less tolerant of putting up with any nonsense.

And in a new relationship yourself OP, might you not be exactly the same? A little older, a little wiser, and much less inclined to put up with nonsense?

The issue with your child is seperate. My only thoughts would be - don't force a parent on a child that doesn't want to be there. The kid knows and it will hurt longer. Your DH can grow old and bare the guilt of this - which again, unless he's a monster - he will do - usually when the child is an older teenager/young adult and realises what a waste of space and how insignificant their father has been in their life and they'll naturally distance themselves. It will sting him when your child grows up and gets married and gives very little thought to their father being included in the wedding, or doesn't hold a ticket for them to be at their graduation, or doesn't think to call them when they hit a major milestone.

So my advice would be - don't block the relationship, don't interfere either but also don't facilitate beyond efficient co-parenting - e.g dont make the effort to follow up on a parents evening if you know the school are sending the same communications to him - that sort of thing. Do reply to a text organising a time for their usual visitation.

Never speak highly of him but also never speak disparaging of him. Stock responses to your child if they ever get upset about it is - I'm so sorry for you DC, you're such a brilliant child and I love you to pieces. You always have me.

Offer the reassurance, offer the love but don't make excuses or show anger. Stay neutral.

Beyond that OP - it's just time to move on. Allow yourself one last bloody good cry, and say to yourself 'that's enough now, it's enough'. Everytime one of those intrusive thoughts come into your head about them say - I don't care. Say it out loud if you can and immediately see it as a sign to move - so say you're watching television and your mind drifts to thinking about them - say out loud - I don't care, then get up and clean the kitchen/put a load of laundry on/ sort out some clothes for charity - whatever it is - physically move yourself from where you were.

Also use the stock responses of 'I don't care' (said neutrally - without any anger behind it) if anyone tries to share info on what he's doing with you and change the topic of conversation immediately. So friend Y: 'hey did you know that X was away in France last week?'. You: I don't care. Tell me about your holiday plans though? Are you planning on going anywhere?

Sometimes we have to break the cycle on feelings because they can get stuck in a loop. Like some dodgy electrical cabling that needs fixing, it's time to do some rewiring. It really can be that simple.

Josephinesnapoleon · 18/08/2024 18:44

Liteattheendofthetunnel · 18/08/2024 17:28

He does yeah but he could be paying more. She’s in a very very good job so their household income is massive.

To be honest op, I don’t think it’s ok to be this jealous and want her to give you money for your kid.

the only person who is getting hurt here is you. Possibly also your child. You need to move on. And your friends should stop pandering to this.

and I do think you’re stalking their social media hence you know so much. And you need to stop that.