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Husband messaging women for fantasy chat

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Sarahh1977 · 15/08/2024 16:14

I recently found out my husband of 20 years has been on a porn style site messaging women to chat about his as he calls it taboo fantasys that he can't talk about in real life , he is beyond devastated hasn't stopped crying stating that he couldn't help it became addicted to chatting to real people women and couples about like minded fantasys he did send some dick pics to some swore he has never ever cheated that it was all just online with strangers no intimate sex talk just fantasys ,we are very happily married and very much still in love he Is an amazing husband and always has been and an amazing dad to our 2 teenagers he wants to go to a Councillor he is so distraught over this and can't believe he was so stupid ,I feel betrayed and I don't know what to do I told him I don't know how I can carry on in this marriage even though we love each other so much and it is genuinely killing him that I am saying this ,any advice would be appreciated tks

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goodgirlwannabe · 15/08/2024 17:31

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GingerPirate · 15/08/2024 17:45

Just don't fall for his BS.
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SaintHonoria · 15/08/2024 18:10

, 'he is beyond devastated hasn't stopped crying stating that he couldn't help it became addicted to chatting to real people women and couples about like minded fantasys he did send some dick pics to some swore he has never ever cheated '

He's crying because he's a pathetic and grotty little man who's been found out and hopes that by crying you will feel sorry for him being so weak and slimy.

He's a turd. Flush him.

SaintHonoria · 15/08/2024 18:12

'he wants me to do councilling with him so I can help him and understand it'

It gets worse! He really sees himself as being a victim and if you don't support him then YOU'RE the bad person, not him.

What an absolute creep.

DrCoconut · 15/08/2024 18:14

I didn't LTB the first time and came to regret it when the behaviour got far far worse. I'm now divorced. I do think this sort of thing is a game changer because a line has been crossed.

SaintHonoria · 15/08/2024 18:14

He doesn't love you.

People that love each other don't do revolting things behind their loved ones backs.

People that love each other don't play the victim card when they are caught out doing something repulsive and make it all about them.

The crying all the time is almost as bad as the disgusting things he's done. He can't even own up to it without being a pathetic cry baby.

Viewfrommyhouse · 15/08/2024 18:15

SaintHonoria · 15/08/2024 18:12

'he wants me to do councilling with him so I can help him and understand it'

It gets worse! He really sees himself as being a victim and if you don't support him then YOU'RE the bad person, not him.

What an absolute creep.

Exactly. Counselling for 'couples' is a pile of shit when it arises from only one party's actions. Two women I know had couples counselling after their 'dh's had affairs - they were both told they had a part to play in why their husbands' voluntarily stuck their penises in other women. 🤬

sunflowersngunpowdr · 15/08/2024 19:12

It's funny - there's another thread on here where a women has a dh who is constantly messaging a female 'friend' and refused to stop. I would separate from my husband over that without a doubt but I don't think I wouldn't in your situation. Perhaps because it is all a distant fantasy and there is no immediate threat whereas with the other situation there is emotional betrayal. Anyways ... personally if he seems remorseful then I would ask him to see a sex therapist with me and see if you could incorporate some of those fantasies in to your own sex life ... might be fun for you both 🤷🏽‍♀️

Sarahh1977 · 15/08/2024 19:38

Thanks sunflower I feel like that's our situation I'm so pissed off that we're here ,but we have 26 years together and there has never been any issues it's been 26yrs of love to just throw away I can't even describe how upset he is he is determined to prove it was only chat and that he would never take anything further he promised on alot that that's the case which I know he wouldn't do otherwise

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Mrsttcno1 · 15/08/2024 19:40

I mean I’m pretty sure if you’ve met the love of your life you aren’t sending dick pics to other people online? That’s not fantasy chat, that’s just out and out cheating

Mrsttcno1 · 15/08/2024 19:41

Sarahh1977 · 15/08/2024 19:38

Thanks sunflower I feel like that's our situation I'm so pissed off that we're here ,but we have 26 years together and there has never been any issues it's been 26yrs of love to just throw away I can't even describe how upset he is he is determined to prove it was only chat and that he would never take anything further he promised on alot that that's the case which I know he wouldn't do otherwise

I’m sure you’d have said before you discovered this though that you know he’d never sexually chat with other people and never send dick pics to other people. Unfortunately OP you don’t know him as well as you think you do

LaraThot · 15/08/2024 19:47

Its pretty f'd up and sending dk pics is a bridge too far Im afraid. He's doing the crying and classic "i'll go to a counsellor" to save his ass but once a pervert always a pervert.

NoLongerNHS · 15/08/2024 19:53

He has sexual interests that he does not want to ask you to join him in - has he done anything physical about it? I would be tempted to see this as an interest of his that you dont join in. Unless he is not having sex with you, being intimate with you, or actually acting out, I dont really see this as cheating.

SaintHonoria · 15/08/2024 20:14

Sarahh1977 · 15/08/2024 19:38

Thanks sunflower I feel like that's our situation I'm so pissed off that we're here ,but we have 26 years together and there has never been any issues it's been 26yrs of love to just throw away I can't even describe how upset he is he is determined to prove it was only chat and that he would never take anything further he promised on alot that that's the case which I know he wouldn't do otherwise

Stop trying to convince yourself that what he did was just harmless chat. He sent them photos of his penis.

What stage in your relationship would you consider sending other men pictures of your breasts and undercarriage? You'd have to pretty much despise your husband to do such a thing.

Well, he despises you.

All this bloody waterworks is absolutely sickening and he's playing you like a fiddle knowing he can bleat on about all the years you've been together and how terribly upset boo hoo hoo he is.

Someone genuinely remorseful wouldn't be sobbing like a great big cry baby to try and manipulate you into forgiving him, I can assure you.

HateThese4Leggedbeasts · 15/08/2024 20:21

I think you can get through this if you both want to in the same way that couples can get through any cheating. However it's not an easy process and requires both sides to have a lot of clear and painful communication. I'm sorry you are going through this.

I agree that some of his distraught behaviour stems from guilt at being caught. It doesn't mean he won't do it again though plus you have to reconcile yourself that he didn't tell you himself but instead got caught.

LifeExperience · 15/08/2024 20:21

He needs counseling to figure out why he was willing to risk his marriage for a momentary thrill, NOT so you will "understand." You understand perfectly. He sought and received sexual satisfaction outside of your marriage and that is the very definition of cheating. No way around it.

He needs help. Maybe once he's willing to completely own the enormity of what he has done you can consider joint counseling, but not until then.

Thewookiemustgo · 15/08/2024 21:01

Sarahh1977 · 15/08/2024 19:38

Thanks sunflower I feel like that's our situation I'm so pissed off that we're here ,but we have 26 years together and there has never been any issues it's been 26yrs of love to just throw away I can't even describe how upset he is he is determined to prove it was only chat and that he would never take anything further he promised on alot that that's the case which I know he wouldn't do otherwise

I think that this is cheating. Any behaviour at all, online or face to face, involving other women, that he has deliberately kept secret from you, is cheating. Just because there is no physical contact is neither here nor there.
Are his fantasies taboo because they are illegal or involve abuse or non consensual elements? That would be a no-brainer for me to end the relationship.
‘Taboo’ is a strong word, but depending on your definition might for some people include consensual sexual fantasies in which you would not want to participate personally, but others think of as a kink of some kind and not that far from ‘vanilla’.
However, if everything else is good and you have a long happy marriage otherwise, there is no shame in taking some time to consider whether for you (not randoms here telling you what to do) this is something you want to try to heal from and give him one more chance, or not.
He needs to take full responsibility for this, he chose it, you didn’t drive him to it. If he has a sexual fantasy he can’t do without and you don’t want to participate, then he should have told you that before he did this, and allow you to choose whether or not you wanted to continue the relationship and allow him to pursue the fantasy without you, or for you to choose ending the relationship with him. None of this is your fault.
He needs counselling, if he is a sex addict he needs help with that. Porn/ sex addictions are hard to quit, but I do think it’s nonsense that it must mean they don’t love their partner. Cheating hits happy couples and unhappy couples, it’s more about the personal issues and need for validation and attention of the cheating partner, than perceived relationship or partner deficits. Those are usually cited and exaggerated as their pathetic excuses to any affair partner (and to themselves) for their shoddy selfish behaviour. Very few who have affairs or cheat ever want to actually leave their primary relationship.
If he is asking you to join him in counselling to ‘help him understand’ then you need to ask him what he means by that. He needs individual counselling to help him understand his issues and to understand why he does this, and to help him stop doing it in order to be a safe partner for you.
You don’t need to help him understand, you need him to promise to get help and never, ever do this again. You need him to promise to do anything you need him to to help you feel safe and trust him again. He’s rendered his word worthless and has an absolute ton of work to do and transparency to give you before you can even contemplate reconciling.
I do think he’s appalled at himself and ashamed, as well as sorry for himself. As long as it was a secret he could kid himself it wasn’t so bad and what you didn’t know wouldn’t hurt you. The bubble burst and reality shone it’s light in and forced him to see all the things he hates about himself and how they actually impact you. It’s a horror show.
Even if he does all of the above, you still might not be able to get past this and wish to end the marriage that’s perfectly understandable too.
The point is that it’s up to you and nobody else, don’t be internet-shamed into upending your life, it’s your life, you have to live with your decisions for good or bad, nobody else’s.
In the meantime look up somebody called Michelle Mays, she is brilliant on the psychology of betrayal and sex addiction and there’s useful stuff there. Also Surviving Infidelity and Affair Recovery websites are very helpful. They don’t push for reconciliation at all, they tell you what needs to happen next and provide support and information for those who want to try to get past it, and also support for those who want to end their relationships. They would not advise giving second chances to those who do not meet the criteria for trying to be a safe partner.
Take great care of yourself, this is a horrible shock, I am so sorry this has happened to you.

Onehappymam · 15/08/2024 21:15

’he is beyond devastated’

‘it is actually killing him’

He’s putting on a great act - poor me! - and you’re falling for it. If you hadn’t caught him he’d still be doing it. He didn’t give you a second thought. The only thing he’s upset about is that he got caught.

If you choose to stay with him, that’s your call, but for heaven’s sake don’t feel sorry for him and know that the chances are he’ll keep doing it, but he’ll just be more careful.

MissSookieStackhouse · 15/08/2024 22:33

I’m not sure how you could respect him again after finding out he was getting off on sharing ‘taboo fantasies’ with randoms online and getting cheap thrills from sending them dick pics. He’s crying first and foremost because he’s been caught, but probably secondly because he’s embarrassed that you’ve found out what a sad, pathetic little creep he really is. Personally i couldn’t get past it if it was my DP and I’d question whether I actually ever knew him at all.

XChrome · 16/08/2024 03:26

"no intimate sex talk just fantasys"

That is the very definition of intimate sex talk. He's not being honest with you.

whatsoccuringnow · 16/08/2024 03:30

Sorry. I've had a few drinks. I took back someone like your husband many times. He was a dirty pervert but I took his apologies and said he was a ',great dad,' Great Dad's actually don't treat their kids mum like this. I wish I left the first time. I'm crying typing this

XChrome · 16/08/2024 03:33

Viewfrommyhouse · 15/08/2024 18:15

Exactly. Counselling for 'couples' is a pile of shit when it arises from only one party's actions. Two women I know had couples counselling after their 'dh's had affairs - they were both told they had a part to play in why their husbands' voluntarily stuck their penises in other women. 🤬

This. It's incredible how vile a lot of therapists are to people who've been cheated on. It's because they know damn well the selfish cheater isn't going to change, so they put it on the betrayed person. They make a false equivalence of the cheating to mistakes the betrayed has made in order to encourage the betrayed to take the blame and therefore forgive the cheater. It's dishonest and unethical, yet they get away with it.
Scumbags, IMO.

XChrome · 16/08/2024 03:36

whatsoccuringnow · 16/08/2024 03:30

Sorry. I've had a few drinks. I took back someone like your husband many times. He was a dirty pervert but I took his apologies and said he was a ',great dad,' Great Dad's actually don't treat their kids mum like this. I wish I left the first time. I'm crying typing this

So sorry you are hurting lovey. You are absolutely right. A good dad does not mistreat the mom. I'm getting sick of seeing women refer to guys who are obviously completely selfish pricks as "good dads." It's the bullshit they tell themselves so they don't have to face how awful the guy really is. It keeps them stuck putting up with these worthless bastards.

SandyY2K · 16/08/2024 03:37

Sarahh1977 · 15/08/2024 16:24

Tks for reply ,he wants me to do councilling with him so I can help him and understand it was never about someone else it was about people with like minded fantasys, he has always been the best husband affectionate everyday so loving sex is still great after 26 years and in our mid 40s he is just so distraught I really don't know what to do were together so long and still mad about each other but how can I get over this

It's not your job to help him. He should go to individual therapy.

The truth is probably just that he did it because he liked it. He enjoyed it and he didn't think you'd find out.

Lots of people have fantasies and talk to others about it. That in itself doesn't mean they need therapy, but he's taken it a step further by sending dick pics.

He may have felt unable to share these fantasies with you. As I've gotten older, I've become more open minded about these things and not so judgemental, but I know that's not how most of society are.

Secradonugh · 16/08/2024 03:46

Sarahh1977 · 15/08/2024 17:12

Thanks for not just saying leave as I feel like I haven't a clue what I want to do well I don't want my marriage to end its so good apart from this but can I get over it and move on he is adamant he wants counselling as he wants to understand himself why he did it ,he did mention a few years ago little things he was thinking and I wasn't receptive so he was afraid I would think bad of him so didn't say anymore

I'd be mortified. Please try to re read what you've written. I can easily interpret it as he wanted you to do something, you said no, he then went somewhere else for it.
If he had been honest and said, 'okay but can I go online and discuss that fantasy?' What do you think you would have said, and would he respect that? For me I would be more hurt that he hid it rather being able to discuss it, perhaps coming to an understanding. None of his actions are your fault, but try to work out what you are most upset about. The hiding of his fantasy or his fantasy.