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DH angry at me for…working

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Westboundsign · 19/07/2024 23:11

Am I missing something where if you WFH, that actually means you’re supposed to be with your children too?

I rarely WFH but decided to this PM as I needed to work later and had a long Teams meeting planned. I’m similar to a Probation Officer but not - I manage a caseload in a supportive capacity and have to keep in touch via phone calls, face to face. Every contact or action about them needs to be documented that day and there’s set timescales for amount of contacts and when they need to be done.
DH often WFH but his job is so relaxed with no major timescales or responsibilities. We do have a home office.

We have 2 children who do a mix of childcare and FIL looking after them in our home (mainly because he has a dog not trusted around the children).

Today I had a safeguarding type meeting at 3pm and it went on for a couple of hours - heavy stuff for a late afternoon. DH was at home, FIL was looking after the children. DH was also downstairs with them but then decided to bring DS upstairs which started him off crying for me, knowing I was in the office. He allowed him for a prolonged period, to stand at the door of the office, crying loudly which was so difficult for me in terms of trying to concentrate but also just wanting to go to him, whilst just asking and asking him to come with him, without just taking some action.

It got to 4:30 and DH told his FIL he could leave. Meeting didn’t finish until 5pm but I still had a few calls I’d arranged as one can’t speak until late.
DH then started berating me for the time the meeting had been scheduled for and how long it had gone on for, sending me WhatsApp’s which continued in person. I didn’t arrange the meeting but had to attend.
He then had a go at me for not finishing work to allow him to make the children some tea. I explained I hadn’t had chance for a dinner break today so could take my 30 mins so he could get them something sorted if he was really that stressed about it and then I could quickly finish up and be done for bath/bedtime routine. He wasn’t happy that I wanted to go ‘back’ to work as such and proceeded to tell me I was prioritising work over the children and I wasn’t being a competent parent by choosing to sit upstairs (doing my job?!)
I wouldn’t be a competent parent by NOT doing my job and putting that at risk.

When I tried to go back upstairs to make the call (someone I’ve been stressed about for weeks anyway and today was a chance to sort it out), he then purposely opened the stair gate so DS would come upstairs and sat in the office with me. Not appropriate or professional on either side of the coin to have a phone call with him there.
I asked DH to come and bring him back downstairs to which, he eventually did after asking him countless times, so DS started crying and then DH started shouting up the stairs something about that being the result and had a go about me working late.

So, in short, he made that much of a scene that I ended up having to log off without making the call.

I’ve since tried to discuss with him how hurtful his comments were and how I can’t just not do my job but he’s adamant he’s right and made out I was just having a jolly up, hiding from them all doing nothing. I’ve tried to explain that WFH means still being at work but he isn’t pleased the onus is on him to have made their tea and when do I ever think to finish early to sort them out (I rarely ever work late).
He also then decided to bring up yesterday as I logged off around 1pm to attend DS’s graduation. He wasn’t happy that when we got home, I then logged back on to do more work and couldn’t seem to understand that I was making up the time I hadn’t done.

Am I missing something here? I’m not really happy with him for many reasons at the moment but this is just something that’s really annoyed me.

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arethereanyleftatall · 20/07/2024 10:03

I think you're being too passive about this op.

His behaviour was cruel. Utterly cruel towards your ds. Nasty. Horrible. And then to lack any self awareness at all that he was totally in the wrong.

What would divorce look like for you op?

Westboundsign · 20/07/2024 10:04

The WFH was planned - we’d talked about it beforehand, I definitely didn’t just land home as a surprise.

I think there has been a lot of resentment that they both show a preference for me as he’s brought that up a few times but never in a proper chat about how he’s feeling/can we do anything to look at building that with him, usually just muttered comments.
I understand that’s very disheartening but I think we’re here because he likes the ‘fun’ bits of parenting but can’t take any action when it’s needed e.g. if DS won’t do something he’s asked, he’ll just keep asking and asking and getting himself frustrated and worked up, rather than realising he’s not listening and say picking him up.

He’s giving me the silent treatment today unless he needs to speak about the children.

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gamerchick · 20/07/2024 10:05

Tell him to fuck off to his parents until he's over his strop.

CleftChin · 20/07/2024 10:06

Oh OP! My job isn't as stressful as yours, but I've always had calls (and always worked from home) - my kids, from toddlers, have had to understand that if I'm on a call, they have to wait for me to finish (unless an emergency), and they are fine with that (yes, it was harder when they were toddlers)

What your husband is doing is winding them up against you. Using them as a weapon to make you feel bad to get back at you for whatever it is he's cross with you for (in my experience, not prioritising him over everything else, including your kids, yourself and your job)

arethereanyleftatall · 20/07/2024 10:09

Silent treatment is emotional abuse op.

I'm guessing you're deliberately not thinking about divorce, as you want to stay together 'for the kids'. Which is totally normal for women to do. Here's the thing. Living like this isn't good 'for the kids' in any way, shape or form.

He is an abusive vile nasty bully who will never change. You will hate him more and more and more. When you did get divorced, which you will, it's just a matter of time, you will wonder why on Earth you didn't do it sooner.

I'm sorry op, he isn't the man I'm sure you thought he was.

greenwoodentablelegs · 20/07/2024 10:11

God he sounds like a massive knob ! Either you are a team and work out family life together or not. Sounds like he thinks he is the boss and you should be running around to support him.

not sure how you move forward really. Maybe couple counselling. Thing is he is obv a lazy selfish dick and doesn’t see the benefit of changing. Hugs for you.

I’d prioritise myself and my sanity. Go into the office. Get a cleaner. Meal plan. Throw his dirty clothes in a basket and ignore them. Plan fun things to with dc. Do the things I like and see where that leaves DH. Basically stop giving a fuck about him, see if it gives him a jolt.

WitcheryDivine · 20/07/2024 10:11

He should have said “come on DS, you can’t be in here when mum is working, let’s go downstairs and play with your Lego” or something similar, carrying him down if necessary. Not “mummy doesn’t want you here while she’s working”, that’s not you being oversensitive that’s just knobbish and he knew what he was doing. I’m sure he wants his kid to sit through loads of confidential and maybe disturbing meetings then? Course he doesn’t.

Westboundsign · 20/07/2024 10:12

I definitely didn’t expect FIL to stay all night - I would’ve been done by about 6pm anyway if he’d just have let me get on so DH wouldn’t have needed to have had them solo for a while. What he’s forgetting is he’s going away on a stag do abroad soon so I’ll be solo parenting them for a few days as well as working.
I have WFH before and our youngest is 1 so just gets on as long as she’s occupied (and obviously supervised) and DS does know that when I need to make calls and do work, he can’t be there which is why I closed the stair gate - it was DH bringing him upstairs in the first place (I later found out he’d been playing with him upstairs in his room for a bit and then decided to go back down, leaving him upstairs which started it off) and then purposely opening it to let him up the second time.

What I was meaning was that if I can’t organise his work for him so if he has work to do, he should’ve done that as soon as he got home - he told me he was also with them all as he feels his dad needs to have a break and he isn’t going to ignore them if they want something. We collectively need to make sure they have suitable childcare for us working.
I also meant that if he felt the meal plan was too much of a burden for his dad, he could have just picked something else less of a fuss and asked FIL to set that away for them whilst he finished up (as he ended up doing so his rant that he couldn’t make the tea and needed me there was invalid).

DH often doesn’t use the office for his WFH and will set up anywhere so I wasn’t taking away his workspace or anything like that.

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Westboundsign · 20/07/2024 10:15

Divorce for me is really scary - my own parents are split and things were never that great.
My DF has only met DD once or twice probably and DS not much more. He doesn’t understand finances himself, lives in a 1 bedroom flat and would waste money on something like a motorbike than actual bills.
My DM had 2 abusive marriages one after the other and stayed despite the impact on us. Our relationship can’t really recover as much as I’m sure she’d like it to.

I don’t really have anyone else - work full time Mon-Fri, flexi. FIL is the only one who does a lot for us, he just lives round the corner.

House is both of ours jointly.

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SatinHeart · 20/07/2024 10:19

OP, your DH was being sexist. He didn't think he (or FIL) should be doing childcare because there was a woman in the house who could be doing it instead. Sounds like he doesn't see childcare or child-related mental load as his job.
I'm sure he's quite happy for you to have a job unless it doesn't impact on him.

No advice I'm afraid, just sympathy.

DullFanFiction · 20/07/2024 10:26

Westboundsign · 19/07/2024 23:27

Told me I shouldn’t WFH if I don’t want the background noise of the children was another of his gems!

I’m wondering, what happens if he has a meeting and has the dcs making lots of noises right in his back.
Would that be ok to say it’s because he chose to work from home so tough?

arethereanyleftatall · 20/07/2024 10:27

'My DM had 2 abusive marriages one after the other and stayed despite the impact on us. Our relationship can’t really recover as much as I’m sure she’d like it to.'

I'm sorry op, but this is what you're doing....

Divorce does seem scary, but why not look in to the financial numbers, start reading the accounts of the many many mums who wish they'd done it sooner. I'll start you off. I wish I'd done it sooner. I am happy, so happy single. My dc are thriving (one had a wobble, I'm sure she would have about anything whatever it was, but is thriving now). Their dad has actually stepped up, he is a better parent now we're divorced, more engaged, he needs to be if he wants any relationship at all with his girls. I have shown the girls that mums don't have to put themselves last which is what I want them to not do.

I read an article just the other day about one of the key indicators of successful and happy children is a happy mum.

OtterMouse · 20/07/2024 10:29

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Whatatodo79 · 20/07/2024 10:35

Working from home isn't going to work for you, so you will need to be away from home more, and he needs to be aware that is a direct consequence of this rubbish

KreedKafer · 20/07/2024 10:41

Your husband sounds absolutely vile. Downright nasty.

Ohnobackagain · 20/07/2024 10:45

@Westboundsign do you have a flexible working policy that tells you the expectations, that you could show him? We do - it says things like ‘while you can change start and end times, lunch breaks etc WFH is not expected to include supervision of children etc’. So it’s very clear that even if you do odd work times (which suits lots of us as we work with teams in other timezones) you are expected to put in a full day’s work and have proper childcare provision. He is being unreasonable and controlling, setting you up and upsetting your child on purpose to ‘prove his point’. Very unreasonable of him.

Lopine · 20/07/2024 10:46

Whatatodo79 · 20/07/2024 10:35

Working from home isn't going to work for you, so you will need to be away from home more, and he needs to be aware that is a direct consequence of this rubbish

I agree with this, can you either go into the office or rent a workspace close by? And then tell him that this years holiday fund (or fund for something he enjoys) will be reduced by x (the cost of office rental / extra commuting) because of his behaviour.

SheilaFentiman · 20/07/2024 10:52

It doesn’t even sound like this meeting did run late - ok, lots of work places will informally avoid Friday afternoon meetings if possible, but that’s not a given and the meeting only seemed to be until 5/6 anyway!

Changingplace · 20/07/2024 11:00

SatinHeart · 20/07/2024 10:19

OP, your DH was being sexist. He didn't think he (or FIL) should be doing childcare because there was a woman in the house who could be doing it instead. Sounds like he doesn't see childcare or child-related mental load as his job.
I'm sure he's quite happy for you to have a job unless it doesn't impact on him.

No advice I'm afraid, just sympathy.

This, in his mind even though there are two other adults in the house, because they’re men you are the default parent and in charge of child care and your work should come second.

His behaviour is ridiculous, childish and manipulative / your work meeting was in normal hours and tbh even if it wasn’t, it was pre planned and he was in charge of your son.

Westboundsign · 20/07/2024 11:00

DS has got a birthday party today - the friends dad spoke to him and invited him. In my world it’s not proper ‘etiquette’ to bring their siblings if not invited but even now, DH still wants me to go with them, bringing DD.

He used him being an ex cop against me too. For those that don’t know, being married to one with young children is an absolute logistical childcare nightmare and awful for your family life/mental health - shifts changed last minute to more inconvenient ones, being late off by hours but with no notice of it or knowing where they are so you just don’t hear from them and have to quell the worry that something’s happened or rest days cancelled.

The timing of that job (they didn’t give a start date, it was just an open ended recruitment process) also meant he wasn’t technically entitled to paternity leave with DS but instead of seeking help through them and discussing any options, he flat out refused to mention it to them at all. I remember being about 4 days PP, breaking down in tears begging him to do something to help and him just walking out the door. He got into his head that they’d push him back a training course and he didn’t want that. This was in first covid times and why I ended up with PND.
So yesterday it was, well it used to be bad when I did it (the late finishes etc).

He did a good job of making out he’d changed (hence why we had DD) but that seems to have slipped for a long time now. He’s not affectionate and I’ve tried so many times to tell him, if I had that, I’d probably be more relaxed and feel secure/happier but his response is always, well I’m not going to do it if you don’t and, I tried once but you didn’t then start reciprocating so I didn’t bother.
We don’t do things outside of the children, basically like housemates that live together.

I’m so aware I’m nearly repeating my DM which is awful to me but I also have that small voice of child me who remembers how horrific it was to not have your parents together and how that was all I wanted.

@arethereanyleftatall Thank you for sharing your experience though. I’m glad you’re so much happier and I think I do need to hear more and more about it being able to work.

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Changingplace · 20/07/2024 11:02

Ohnobackagain · 20/07/2024 10:45

@Westboundsign do you have a flexible working policy that tells you the expectations, that you could show him? We do - it says things like ‘while you can change start and end times, lunch breaks etc WFH is not expected to include supervision of children etc’. So it’s very clear that even if you do odd work times (which suits lots of us as we work with teams in other timezones) you are expected to put in a full day’s work and have proper childcare provision. He is being unreasonable and controlling, setting you up and upsetting your child on purpose to ‘prove his point’. Very unreasonable of him.

If my husband was so stupid he needed to read a work policy to comprehend that working from home was actually working and doesn’t include child care I think I’d give up there and then.

Reugny · 20/07/2024 11:06

FIL is the only one who does a lot for us, he just lives round the corner.

Good.

When you divorce as long as your FIL is alive you know he will be taking proper care of your children when they are supposed to be staying with their father.

So even if FIL doesn't speak to you ever again after you divorced his son, he will still be there in the background.

Tell your FIL now that you appreciate him being a good grandparent.

Btw ironing is a task you can avoid doing regularly. You can buy children's clothes including school uniform that doesn't need ironing, you can buy clothes for yourself that don't need ironing, you can get household linen that doesn't need ironing, and if your husband needs his shirts ironed he can do that his bloody self. So basically unless you wear a uniform that needs ironing you shouldn't need to do it weekly. I learnt this after a former team mate of mine who was always well put together and had a high power job who explained how she didn't do any ironing and didn't pay for it to be done. Plus all my brothers and nephews have ironed their own shirts from secondary school. My BILs who are still married do as well.

Westboundsign · 20/07/2024 11:07

If the ironing pile gets high and I started getting a minor stress about how I’m going to fit it in, he will refuse to help and instead just scoff that I make work for myself by ironing unnecessary things like the children’s bedding

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Westboundsign · 20/07/2024 11:08

Cross posted @Reugny - I need to look into these non iron clothes!!

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Reugny · 20/07/2024 11:16

how horrific it was to not have your parents together and how that was all I wanted.

OP when my parents were together unless it was in front of certain relatives who wouldn't stand for it, after half an hour they bickered and then the arguing started. (We always thought one or the other was out of order until other relatives accidentally revealed what some of their arguments were about )

I've since spoken to a few friends and acquaintances who have all said that they couldn't deal with their parents arguments and glad they separated.

There are others who had one parent cheat which caused the arguments and others whose parents hid what was wrong, plus others who never worked out what was wrong but one parent just upped, left and was either not around or shit to them.

Point is there are worse things as a child than having parents who are separated.