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My partner (m32) depression is affecting me (f32) mentally and I don’t know what to do anymore

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Megnogs · 14/07/2024 13:29

So little backstory - my partner has suffered with depression and PTSD ever since he left the military two years ago, basically they didn’t treat him very well and he ended up very depressed so he found a new job and left.

Flash forward to March this year and our beautiful baby girl was born - unfortunately it feels like his depression has worsened. I’m not an expert when it comes to this kind of thing because I have never suffered from depression myself, but it seems to come on in what I call ‘dark episodes’ so for example we will have a small argument or disagreement about a random thing, or he will snap and me and I will stand my ground and it will result in maybe 1-5 days of him going into a depressive state, he says this isn’t because he’s angry with me - it’s because he’s angry with himself for causing the argument in the first place.

He will barely talk to me during this and when he does it feels forced, this makes me feel extremely isolated and anxious in the house, he basically treats me like a roommate. He will also display signs of the ‘martyr complex’ and during this time he will basically go around looking for ways to be a martyr, example: he will walk around with our baby in his arms, does all the feeds, all the nappy changes, bath times, and when I try to do something he will say something like ‘I can do that, you can just relax, I need to be doing more because I’m being a shit dad’ even though he does considerably more chores around the house than myself. He won’t shower, sometimes won’t even eat and he says things like ‘sorry I stink but I’ve been looking after you all day’ to our baby or ‘I haven’t eaten but it’s my fault for not buying enough food’

He also becomes very destructive and careless during these periods. He used to throw things and break things deliberately (me and baby have never been in the room when he does it) but he was always careful to only break things that he has paid for. I gave him a big telling off for this and it seems to have calmed slightly but not completely. Just yesterday during an argument he broke our daughters nappy bin, I didn’t realise at the time until I found it in the bin smashed up, I know if I ask him about it that he will say he dropped it and it smashed or something but I saw him on our cctv throwing it at the car when he went to empty it and it smashed the bin lid. What upsets me most is that the bin was a gift from my baby shower, I doubt that even crossed his mind though.

He also has started to throw things in the bin that are perfectly fine. He threw our daughters bottle teats away (the next size up for when she was ready for them) he said he must have done it accidently when clearing out the kitchen but they were screwed onto her bottles so he’s obviously unscrewed them and thrown them away intentionally. He threw his perfectly healthy cactuses in the bin stating that ‘they didn’t look right in the kitchen so I just threw them away.’ Other things in the house will randomly vanish and I can only assume they’ve been thrown in the bin thoughtlessly during one of his bad days. Sometimes he will make a point of telling me he has thrown something away like he wants me to react and of course I do, because I just don’t understand how he could be so thoughtless, other times he won’t tell me and just say it he must have done it accidentally when I ask.

What’s bothering me most is the fact that these episodes seem to be triggered by me. He will say something in a rude way and because I call him out on it, this results in an argument which leads to the usual things that I described above. So it usually goes like this - I’ll give yesterdays argument as an example cos we’re currently in the middle of a ‘dark episode’:

I had a funny turn in the night - must have been a bit dehydrated- almost passed out during the night feed but pulled through and went to sleep. Woke up the next day feeling pretty shit - he asked me if I was okay now and I said yeah, not 100% though.
So later in the day when I’m having a rest on the sofa, he comes in from working outside and I’m talking quietly because baby is asleep and I’m not feeling too well - he assumes I’m mad at him for some reason. I go upstairs to get ready for going out and he feeds baby downstairs - only the tommy tippe machine is empty so he gets pissed off - the bottle has a bit of residue on it- he gets pissed off. Her formula tub needs refilling - by this point he sounds really pissed off so I go downstairs to see if I can help, he throws a bottle in the sink and says ‘can you make sure the bottles don’t have bubbles on before you put them in the machine’
I say ‘yeah but I didn’t actually clean that bottle, you did. I just took it from the sanitizer machine.’
This basically resulted in an argument about me apparently being ‘defensive’ all day and he said if I wasn’t feeling well just say that instead of ignoring him, I said that I did tell you I wasn’t feeling well. Later on I asked him if we could try and draw a line under it because I’d been looking forward to this day out and didnt want it to be spoiled by a silly argument - he gets even worse, suddenly he wasn’t in a bad mood but now he is because I suggested he was. This is seemingly when the nappy bin was broken - he must have thrown it outside on his way to emptying it.

I feel like I need to state that he’s not angry with me. He’s not throwing and breaking things because I’m not allowing myself to be controlled - I firmly believe that to be true. In his words he is frustrated because of his own actions- how he responds to things, how everything he does ‘turns to shit’ how he can’t just be a normal partner/dad etc. He is a very good dad and partner when he’s feeling good. He is supportive, caring and always cooks our dinner. He respects me 100% and I firmly believe he would never ever hurt me or our daughter. Sometimes I catch him swearing in frustration when our baby won’t stop crying and that does upset me, I really don’t know how you can swear at a baby when they are clearly upset about something but that’s just me.

I also should add that he’s recently started therapy - and that I probably should try being a little more patient and optimistic that change is coming but it’s really hard to see it that way when I feel the way that I do. I don’t want to break apart this family but every single time this happens I feel like I’m getting closer to having to leave him. What can I do?

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moggiek · 14/07/2024 13:36

Please leave him. This isn’t going to get any better.

Pumpkindoodles · 14/07/2024 13:55

Non of this sounds like depression it sounds like abuse. It’s a bit chilling that this behaviour got worse when dd was born and it’s a lot of her things that seem to break or get lost. And that you can’t trust him to tell you the truth, even when I presume he is aware there is cctv, so he knows you know he’s lying to your face.

He respects me 100%
why does he break your stuff, lie to you, and blame you for making him annoyed and treat you poorly for days at a time. Is that how you treat people you respect?

What’s bothering me most is the fact that these episodes seem to be triggered by me.
that’s because they’re not depression, they’re a punishment

Megnogs · 14/07/2024 13:56

moggiek · 14/07/2024 13:36

Please leave him. This isn’t going to get any better.

I honestly do appreciate your message but he isn’t a bad person - this kinda thing is only say 20% of the time we spend together, the rest of the time he is a good partner/dad and the relationship is healthy x

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Pumpkindoodles · 14/07/2024 14:01

Megnogs · 14/07/2024 13:56

I honestly do appreciate your message but he isn’t a bad person - this kinda thing is only say 20% of the time we spend together, the rest of the time he is a good partner/dad and the relationship is healthy x

Very few men are bad all the time, abuse would be obvious then wouldn’t it and it would be easy to leave.
20% of the time means you have at least one bad day a week on average with him, that’s not a great ratio

Megnogs · 14/07/2024 14:01

Pumpkindoodles · 14/07/2024 13:55

Non of this sounds like depression it sounds like abuse. It’s a bit chilling that this behaviour got worse when dd was born and it’s a lot of her things that seem to break or get lost. And that you can’t trust him to tell you the truth, even when I presume he is aware there is cctv, so he knows you know he’s lying to your face.

He respects me 100%
why does he break your stuff, lie to you, and blame you for making him annoyed and treat you poorly for days at a time. Is that how you treat people you respect?

What’s bothering me most is the fact that these episodes seem to be triggered by me.
that’s because they’re not depression, they’re a punishment

Firstly I appreciate your response and trying to help. It’s hard to explain a situation in a few paragraphs and reading it back does make it sound really bad. As I said to someone else - this isn’t how we spend the majority of time. I’d say it happens maybe every couple of weeks and lasts anywhere from 1 day to 5 days depending on the cause of the argument. the rest of the time I cannot fault him as a partner and dad, he goes above and beyond for us.

He doesn’t blame me for making him annoyed- he gets annoyed, tells me he knows it’s his fault - then basically goes into his own head about it, resulting in him hating himself and silently seething.

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loropianalover · 14/07/2024 14:06

You need couples therapy so you have a safe space with someone else present to lay out the issues at home that are impacting you and baby. He needs to understand exactly what the issues are and why they are so scary. He needs to control himself before baby starts picking up his behaviours and thinking they are OK.

It will be hard but he needs to actively work on himself to be better. He needs different coping mechanisms for when he gets annoyed (not breaking things) and a different way to cope when he’s ’depressed’ (not the silent treatment).

Megnogs · 14/07/2024 14:11

Thank you. Couples therapy is definitely an option - I hadn’t really considered that but will look into it :)

Ive told him that the throwing stuff/loud banging scares me and makes me anxious and he has acknowledged it and I’d say it’s happening less but not stopped completely. We’ve also discussed his coping mechanisms and I said just stop and take a breather before you take it out on inanimate objects, this kinda seems to have just resulted in either him claiming it was an accident or maybe he’s started throwing things away instead as that seems to have gotten worse since the discussion. He seems very scared to lose me, I think that’s why he’s lying about how things get broken cos I’ve told him he’s on a final warning for it.

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Megnogs · 14/07/2024 14:11

loropianalover · 14/07/2024 14:06

You need couples therapy so you have a safe space with someone else present to lay out the issues at home that are impacting you and baby. He needs to understand exactly what the issues are and why they are so scary. He needs to control himself before baby starts picking up his behaviours and thinking they are OK.

It will be hard but he needs to actively work on himself to be better. He needs different coping mechanisms for when he gets annoyed (not breaking things) and a different way to cope when he’s ’depressed’ (not the silent treatment).

Thank you. Couples therapy is definitely an option - I hadn’t really considered that but will look into it :)

Ive told him that the throwing stuff/loud banging scares me and makes me anxious and he has acknowledged it and I’d say it’s happening less but not stopped completely. We’ve also discussed his coping mechanisms and I said just stop and take a breather before you take it out on inanimate objects, this kinda seems to have just resulted in either him claiming it was an accident or maybe he’s started throwing things away instead as that seems to have gotten worse since the discussion. He seems very scared to lose me, I think that’s why he’s lying about how things get broken cos I’ve told him he’s on a final warning for it.

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Pumpkindoodles · 14/07/2024 14:12

He doesn’t blame me for making him annoyed
please read your post back.

the bottle situation started as a retaliation because (he believed) you were in a mood and not treating him as nicely as he wanted
This basically resulted in an argument about me apparently being ‘defensive’ all day
this sounds like blaming you
suddenly he wasn’t in a bad mood but now he is because I suggested he was.
this definitely sounds like blaming you

In his words he is frustrated because of his own actions- how he responds to things, how everything he does ‘turns to shit’ how he can’t just be a normal partner/dad etc. He is a very good dad and partner when he’s feeling good.
He treats you poorly so you spend days on edge about how he isn’t talking to you, is throwing yours and DDs things away and swearing at a baby, and he is the victim who needs to be reassured that he’s a good dad and you just need to be more understanding

TakeOnFlea · 14/07/2024 14:16

"What upsets me most is that the bin was a gift from my baby shower"

That's what upsets you most? He's sounds like he's bubbling with anger just waiting to explode at any moment. He doesn't sound like he's in control tbh and I'd want him as far away from my baby as possible.

Doingmybest12 · 14/07/2024 14:24

It sounds very confusing for you, the behaviour is very manipulative , it doesn't feel directed at you but it is having a huge impact on how you feel. I would say it is directed at you , you are meant to notice and to know about it. I wod also worry that the destructive side will be more directed at you in the future. He needs to get some help with his issues but I really hope you begin to see how unhealthy this is, that it is abusive because of the impact on you even though you don't want to see this. I hope you gave some real life support.

Doingmybest12 · 14/07/2024 14:29

He is angry and swearing at a baby and he is routinely breaking things. Please get away from him.

Megnogs · 14/07/2024 14:33

Pumpkindoodles · 14/07/2024 14:12

He doesn’t blame me for making him annoyed
please read your post back.

the bottle situation started as a retaliation because (he believed) you were in a mood and not treating him as nicely as he wanted
This basically resulted in an argument about me apparently being ‘defensive’ all day
this sounds like blaming you
suddenly he wasn’t in a bad mood but now he is because I suggested he was.
this definitely sounds like blaming you

In his words he is frustrated because of his own actions- how he responds to things, how everything he does ‘turns to shit’ how he can’t just be a normal partner/dad etc. He is a very good dad and partner when he’s feeling good.
He treats you poorly so you spend days on edge about how he isn’t talking to you, is throwing yours and DDs things away and swearing at a baby, and he is the victim who needs to be reassured that he’s a good dad and you just need to be more understanding

To clarify: the nappy bin is the only thing that is technically mine that I recieved as a gift, everything else he throws away or breaks are things he bought, he has never ever broken or thrown any of my personal belongings away. He’s also actively trying to stop this behaviour - yes sometimes he’s lied and the reason is that he is scared I will leave him before he can get the situation under control. He hasn’t shown any signs of wanting to hurt me or my daughter and we both love him, if he ever did show any signs I would be packing bags without a second thought. Surely I can’t just break a family apart when he’s trying to change? He is in weekly therapy sessions.

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AquaFurball · 14/07/2024 14:41

He needs to find better coping methods. Breaking things is violence. If he can't control his temper he needs to get out of the house, take a walk and cool off.

Just because he paid for something doesn't give him the right to destroy your home or throw away things belonging to your child, or damage things for her. Just because she doesn't understand what he's saying to her yet, doesn't mean it's not abusive to be saying them - blaming her for him not showering or eating.

Your little girl deserves nothing but love, this environment he creates is not good for her.
It's good he's getting therapy but he needs to be controlling his behaviour first. Remove himself from you both when he can't control his mood.

Doingmybest12 · 14/07/2024 14:44

What was he like before the baby came along ?

TakeOnFlea · 14/07/2024 14:47

"he is scared I will leave him before he can get the situation under control. He hasn’t shown any signs of wanting to hurt me or my daughter and we both love him, if he ever did show any signs I would be packing bags without a second thought"

He blames you for his moods with his actions, giving you the cold shoulder 20% of the time (I expect you're minimising here too and it's more than that).

He blames a baby for him not taking care of himself by washing and eating. He swears at her.

He's throwing things at the car with such force that they break and trying to hide it minimise that.

Next he'll be threatening suicide if you leave. This is one angry, scary bloke who will never take true responsibility for his actions because in his mind everyone else is to blame.

TheStateOfTheArt · 14/07/2024 14:47

He’s trying to train you not to stand up to him.

You stand up to him. This triggers a day/several days of awful behaviour. He’s hoping you “learn” not to stand up to him in the hope of avoiding him being awful for a few days. It doesn’t matter if he doesn’t direct the anger and violence directly at you or your things, he knows it’s triggering anxiety in you and that’s the whole point.

It isn’t your job to fix him. He knows what he’s doing. He’s deflecting from all of that by saying “it’s my fault, I’m a bad dad, I’m a bad person” so you don’t realise ITS ALL DIRECTED AT MAKING YOU FEEL BAD.

Megnogs · 14/07/2024 14:49

AquaFurball · 14/07/2024 14:41

He needs to find better coping methods. Breaking things is violence. If he can't control his temper he needs to get out of the house, take a walk and cool off.

Just because he paid for something doesn't give him the right to destroy your home or throw away things belonging to your child, or damage things for her. Just because she doesn't understand what he's saying to her yet, doesn't mean it's not abusive to be saying them - blaming her for him not showering or eating.

Your little girl deserves nothing but love, this environment he creates is not good for her.
It's good he's getting therapy but he needs to be controlling his behaviour first. Remove himself from you both when he can't control his mood.

Yesterday I told him to go and take a breather and his response was ‘I don’t want to be on my own cos then I’ll just want to commit suicide’ so yeah idk what to do in that situation. Nothing seems to help.
also just wanna clear up when he says things like the showering thing, he’s not blaming her, he’s basically saying he should have showered but caring for her is more important. He also uses a positive tone of voice when he says it - although what he’s saying is negative, it’s like he wants me to hear what he’s saying and feel bad cos he smells bad.
the swearing thing I can’t really justify though, it really bothers me. It will just be like him getting frustrated that she’s not settling when he’s tried everything and he will just be like ‘fucking hell’ or ‘just shut the f up’ I’ve told him off for it before but I think I’m gonna have to be firmer.

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TheStateOfTheArt · 14/07/2024 14:51

Just to add: my ex was only awful about 5% of the time. It took 8 years for him to out his hands around my neck. It took til 10 years for me to leave him. He said whenever we argued it was his fault, he was too jealous/angry/didn’t deserve someone like me. It's like a bloody script.

Don’t let your daughter grow up thinking this is a normal relationship and that women should tolerate this behaviour from men. Ask yourself what you would do if she told you her husband behaved like this to her and your granddaughter.

TakeOnFlea · 14/07/2024 14:53

"Yesterday I told him to go and take a breather and his response was ‘I don’t want to be on my own cos then I’ll just want to commit suicide’ so yeah idk what to do in that situation."

So fucking predictable. I said that OP in my previous post. And not because I'm some kind of clever clogs or psychic, but because they ALL do this. He's abusive towards you and your baby daughter. She's 4 months old.

"also just wanna clear up when he says things like the showering thing, he’s not blaming her, he’s basically saying he should have showered but caring for her is more important. He also uses a positive tone of voice when he says it - although what he’s saying is negative, it’s like he wants me to hear what he’s saying and feel bad cos he smells bad."

We know exactly what and how he's doing it. We can imagine the sing songy gentle voice he's using to blame her, to blame you, to blame anyone but himself.

You're determined to defend him but he sounds dangerous.

Pumpkindoodles · 14/07/2024 14:54

it’s like he wants me to hear what he’s saying and feel bad cos he smells bad.
ofc this is the reason. Is making you feel bad on purpose ok? Is it normal to want the person you love and respect to feel bad?

He is also blaming you again

GingerPirate · 14/07/2024 14:58

32 yo? You're too young for this 💩.
Just drop him, if situation was reversed it would probably already be done.

BeachRide · 14/07/2024 14:58

Threatening suicide if you leave him is a very big red flag, OP. Stop minimising, protect your helpless baby and get to safety. Because you're in danger.

Megnogs · 14/07/2024 15:00

TakeOnFlea · 14/07/2024 14:53

"Yesterday I told him to go and take a breather and his response was ‘I don’t want to be on my own cos then I’ll just want to commit suicide’ so yeah idk what to do in that situation."

So fucking predictable. I said that OP in my previous post. And not because I'm some kind of clever clogs or psychic, but because they ALL do this. He's abusive towards you and your baby daughter. She's 4 months old.

"also just wanna clear up when he says things like the showering thing, he’s not blaming her, he’s basically saying he should have showered but caring for her is more important. He also uses a positive tone of voice when he says it - although what he’s saying is negative, it’s like he wants me to hear what he’s saying and feel bad cos he smells bad."

We know exactly what and how he's doing it. We can imagine the sing songy gentle voice he's using to blame her, to blame you, to blame anyone but himself.

You're determined to defend him but he sounds dangerous.

How would you respond when he says things like that? And please dont say leave him, leaving him is the last resort. If he shows any signs of hurting us I would be gone, I’m not scared of him, I know it sounds pretentious but I’m not.

I just want a better way of responding, to regain control of the situation instead of riding it out like usual.

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 14/07/2024 15:01

He sounds very, very mentally unwell OP. If I were going to be really honest this sounds like the lead up to a news story in the daily mail where the end point is a family whose members are no longer with us. In your position i would be scared. He is either going to hurt himself or hurt you, your child and then himself.

There must be military charities that specialise in PTSD. let me go have a Google.

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