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My partner (m32) depression is affecting me (f32) mentally and I don’t know what to do anymore

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Megnogs · 14/07/2024 13:29

So little backstory - my partner has suffered with depression and PTSD ever since he left the military two years ago, basically they didn’t treat him very well and he ended up very depressed so he found a new job and left.

Flash forward to March this year and our beautiful baby girl was born - unfortunately it feels like his depression has worsened. I’m not an expert when it comes to this kind of thing because I have never suffered from depression myself, but it seems to come on in what I call ‘dark episodes’ so for example we will have a small argument or disagreement about a random thing, or he will snap and me and I will stand my ground and it will result in maybe 1-5 days of him going into a depressive state, he says this isn’t because he’s angry with me - it’s because he’s angry with himself for causing the argument in the first place.

He will barely talk to me during this and when he does it feels forced, this makes me feel extremely isolated and anxious in the house, he basically treats me like a roommate. He will also display signs of the ‘martyr complex’ and during this time he will basically go around looking for ways to be a martyr, example: he will walk around with our baby in his arms, does all the feeds, all the nappy changes, bath times, and when I try to do something he will say something like ‘I can do that, you can just relax, I need to be doing more because I’m being a shit dad’ even though he does considerably more chores around the house than myself. He won’t shower, sometimes won’t even eat and he says things like ‘sorry I stink but I’ve been looking after you all day’ to our baby or ‘I haven’t eaten but it’s my fault for not buying enough food’

He also becomes very destructive and careless during these periods. He used to throw things and break things deliberately (me and baby have never been in the room when he does it) but he was always careful to only break things that he has paid for. I gave him a big telling off for this and it seems to have calmed slightly but not completely. Just yesterday during an argument he broke our daughters nappy bin, I didn’t realise at the time until I found it in the bin smashed up, I know if I ask him about it that he will say he dropped it and it smashed or something but I saw him on our cctv throwing it at the car when he went to empty it and it smashed the bin lid. What upsets me most is that the bin was a gift from my baby shower, I doubt that even crossed his mind though.

He also has started to throw things in the bin that are perfectly fine. He threw our daughters bottle teats away (the next size up for when she was ready for them) he said he must have done it accidently when clearing out the kitchen but they were screwed onto her bottles so he’s obviously unscrewed them and thrown them away intentionally. He threw his perfectly healthy cactuses in the bin stating that ‘they didn’t look right in the kitchen so I just threw them away.’ Other things in the house will randomly vanish and I can only assume they’ve been thrown in the bin thoughtlessly during one of his bad days. Sometimes he will make a point of telling me he has thrown something away like he wants me to react and of course I do, because I just don’t understand how he could be so thoughtless, other times he won’t tell me and just say it he must have done it accidentally when I ask.

What’s bothering me most is the fact that these episodes seem to be triggered by me. He will say something in a rude way and because I call him out on it, this results in an argument which leads to the usual things that I described above. So it usually goes like this - I’ll give yesterdays argument as an example cos we’re currently in the middle of a ‘dark episode’:

I had a funny turn in the night - must have been a bit dehydrated- almost passed out during the night feed but pulled through and went to sleep. Woke up the next day feeling pretty shit - he asked me if I was okay now and I said yeah, not 100% though.
So later in the day when I’m having a rest on the sofa, he comes in from working outside and I’m talking quietly because baby is asleep and I’m not feeling too well - he assumes I’m mad at him for some reason. I go upstairs to get ready for going out and he feeds baby downstairs - only the tommy tippe machine is empty so he gets pissed off - the bottle has a bit of residue on it- he gets pissed off. Her formula tub needs refilling - by this point he sounds really pissed off so I go downstairs to see if I can help, he throws a bottle in the sink and says ‘can you make sure the bottles don’t have bubbles on before you put them in the machine’
I say ‘yeah but I didn’t actually clean that bottle, you did. I just took it from the sanitizer machine.’
This basically resulted in an argument about me apparently being ‘defensive’ all day and he said if I wasn’t feeling well just say that instead of ignoring him, I said that I did tell you I wasn’t feeling well. Later on I asked him if we could try and draw a line under it because I’d been looking forward to this day out and didnt want it to be spoiled by a silly argument - he gets even worse, suddenly he wasn’t in a bad mood but now he is because I suggested he was. This is seemingly when the nappy bin was broken - he must have thrown it outside on his way to emptying it.

I feel like I need to state that he’s not angry with me. He’s not throwing and breaking things because I’m not allowing myself to be controlled - I firmly believe that to be true. In his words he is frustrated because of his own actions- how he responds to things, how everything he does ‘turns to shit’ how he can’t just be a normal partner/dad etc. He is a very good dad and partner when he’s feeling good. He is supportive, caring and always cooks our dinner. He respects me 100% and I firmly believe he would never ever hurt me or our daughter. Sometimes I catch him swearing in frustration when our baby won’t stop crying and that does upset me, I really don’t know how you can swear at a baby when they are clearly upset about something but that’s just me.

I also should add that he’s recently started therapy - and that I probably should try being a little more patient and optimistic that change is coming but it’s really hard to see it that way when I feel the way that I do. I don’t want to break apart this family but every single time this happens I feel like I’m getting closer to having to leave him. What can I do?

OP posts:
AquaFurball · 14/07/2024 15:02

Megnogs · 14/07/2024 14:49

Yesterday I told him to go and take a breather and his response was ‘I don’t want to be on my own cos then I’ll just want to commit suicide’ so yeah idk what to do in that situation. Nothing seems to help.
also just wanna clear up when he says things like the showering thing, he’s not blaming her, he’s basically saying he should have showered but caring for her is more important. He also uses a positive tone of voice when he says it - although what he’s saying is negative, it’s like he wants me to hear what he’s saying and feel bad cos he smells bad.
the swearing thing I can’t really justify though, it really bothers me. It will just be like him getting frustrated that she’s not settling when he’s tried everything and he will just be like ‘fucking hell’ or ‘just shut the f up’ I’ve told him off for it before but I think I’m gonna have to be firmer.

Any man who tells you he will/wants to kill himself needs to be gone from your life.

Please take it from the many, many, too many of us who wish we had done it the first time they said it and not after they tried to take us with them.

Some of us were lucky enough to get out before children came along, some only because children came along. All because these men never change.

Plesse protect yourself now and your baby before it gets any worse and she is old enough to be affected.

Megnogs · 14/07/2024 15:05

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 14/07/2024 15:01

He sounds very, very mentally unwell OP. If I were going to be really honest this sounds like the lead up to a news story in the daily mail where the end point is a family whose members are no longer with us. In your position i would be scared. He is either going to hurt himself or hurt you, your child and then himself.

There must be military charities that specialise in PTSD. let me go have a Google.

Thank you, he is in therapy but I don’t know what other options we have. The therapy is free on the NHS I think

OP posts:
Megnogs · 14/07/2024 15:06

AquaFurball · 14/07/2024 15:02

Any man who tells you he will/wants to kill himself needs to be gone from your life.

Please take it from the many, many, too many of us who wish we had done it the first time they said it and not after they tried to take us with them.

Some of us were lucky enough to get out before children came along, some only because children came along. All because these men never change.

Plesse protect yourself now and your baby before it gets any worse and she is old enough to be affected.

If I leave and he kills himself what then? He’s attempted suicide before we he was in the military. My baby grows up without a dad who might not have ever been a danger to her.

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 14/07/2024 15:07

If he kills himself at least you will be safe. Right now I’m frightened for you and your child.

Iseeyoupekingduck · 14/07/2024 15:08

Megnogs · 14/07/2024 14:01

Firstly I appreciate your response and trying to help. It’s hard to explain a situation in a few paragraphs and reading it back does make it sound really bad. As I said to someone else - this isn’t how we spend the majority of time. I’d say it happens maybe every couple of weeks and lasts anywhere from 1 day to 5 days depending on the cause of the argument. the rest of the time I cannot fault him as a partner and dad, he goes above and beyond for us.

He doesn’t blame me for making him annoyed- he gets annoyed, tells me he knows it’s his fault - then basically goes into his own head about it, resulting in him hating himself and silently seething.

You can't see through him, he is abusing you and if you know he's smashing things when your not in the room your baby will grow up knowing the same and witnessing this abuse, he is controlling and manipulative it's just a shame you cannot see it. This is going to do a heck of a lot of damage to your child you need to get out of that relationship and the sooner the better!

Iseeyoupekingduck · 14/07/2024 15:09

Megnogs · 14/07/2024 15:06

If I leave and he kills himself what then? He’s attempted suicide before we he was in the military. My baby grows up without a dad who might not have ever been a danger to her.

Again another manipulative thing!! Even if he did kill himself that is not your fault!

Doingmybest12 · 14/07/2024 15:11

So he had issues before the military. He needs to work on himself while living elsewhere. You have other priorities now and can't live like this or you won't be functioning either.

TheStateOfTheArt · 14/07/2024 15:12

Megnogs · 14/07/2024 15:00

How would you respond when he says things like that? And please dont say leave him, leaving him is the last resort. If he shows any signs of hurting us I would be gone, I’m not scared of him, I know it sounds pretentious but I’m not.

I just want a better way of responding, to regain control of the situation instead of riding it out like usual.

You will never be in control of the situation. And I say this gently, your bar should be a lot fucking higher than violence. My bar should have been higher than violence. I was a boiled frog.

My partner would walk out of bars or social situations whilst I was getting a drink or in the bathroom, saying it was his own insecurity about how other men looked at me or how he couldnt hold his own in the conversation (so I’d change how I dressed or behaved when out, or avoid going out with my smart friends). He’d smash his own stuff up when he got angry or depressed (so I’d make sure I was as happy and sing-song as possible at all times to lift his mood and prevent him damaging his own stuff). He’d get furious that “he” hadn’t cleaned the bathroom to his own high standards (so I’d spend my time cleaning it to make him feel better).

You shouldn’t need to control the situation. He should be controlling himself. He isn’t. He knows he isn’t. And he’s doing it deliberately. You can’t compensate for that, and you should think long and hard about where your line in the sand is, and if it’s shifting slowly.

I hate the Mumsnet “leave the bastard” for minor things, or the overall hatred for men many posters have, but again, think about how you would advise a friend who told you this. Or if your daughter told you she lived with an angry, violent man who told your granddaughter it was her fault he couldn’t shower deliberately within earshot of her mother, whom he had threatened to kill himself to.

TheStateOfTheArt · 14/07/2024 15:15

Megnogs · 14/07/2024 15:06

If I leave and he kills himself what then? He’s attempted suicide before we he was in the military. My baby grows up without a dad who might not have ever been a danger to her.

Your baby is growing up watching him smash stuff up, telling her to shut the fuck up and telling her it’s his fault he can’t do things.

She will absolutely normalise this, and pick a man in future who does this to her.

TheStateOfTheArt · 14/07/2024 15:16

Also, “if you leave me I’ll kill myself” is the most classic example of coercive control there is.

Iseeyoupekingduck · 14/07/2024 15:16

Megnogs · 14/07/2024 15:00

How would you respond when he says things like that? And please dont say leave him, leaving him is the last resort. If he shows any signs of hurting us I would be gone, I’m not scared of him, I know it sounds pretentious but I’m not.

I just want a better way of responding, to regain control of the situation instead of riding it out like usual.

He is hurting you! He is also damaging your baby!!! Good luck your going to need it and when your child has mental health issues you will know right where they have come from!

AtrociousCircumstance · 14/07/2024 15:20

I was really scared for you and your child reading this @Megnogs This is not normal behaviour and is worsening. Can you go and stay with family for a few days and talk things over with someone you trust? This is spiralling.

Catnipcupcakes · 14/07/2024 15:22

The fact that he’s ex-army is standing out to me. You don’t live in the same world as him and so you don’t understand how serious this is, what he’s seen and been through, or where his mind goes, especially when he’s expected to fit into a cosy domestic world of a new mother and baby.

It isn’t depression, its PTSD and domestic abuse of yourself and already the baby (you say he shouts at her). He’s destroying household objects and attacking the car now, but I think there’s a danger that he will ‘snap’ one day soon and I don’t mean to frighten you but all three of you could well not survive that.

I know you love him but you need to get your baby away from him TODAY. You are both in danger. So is he, in the worst possible way.

thatstakingalongtimetoboil · 14/07/2024 15:25

This sounds like a kind of passive anger. He is angry but he controls it. It must be horrible to be around. Maybe a separation would do you both good. It's definitely not working as it is and it won't be nice for your daughter as she gets older and more aware.

TheStateOfTheArt · 14/07/2024 15:27

Catnipcupcakes · 14/07/2024 15:22

The fact that he’s ex-army is standing out to me. You don’t live in the same world as him and so you don’t understand how serious this is, what he’s seen and been through, or where his mind goes, especially when he’s expected to fit into a cosy domestic world of a new mother and baby.

It isn’t depression, its PTSD and domestic abuse of yourself and already the baby (you say he shouts at her). He’s destroying household objects and attacking the car now, but I think there’s a danger that he will ‘snap’ one day soon and I don’t mean to frighten you but all three of you could well not survive that.

I know you love him but you need to get your baby away from him TODAY. You are both in danger. So is he, in the worst possible way.

Edited

Agreed. My partners friend had PTSD and he started getting out of bed at night to roam the house with a kitchen knife, worried about attackers. His wife called his ex-boss from the Army, and the following day they had him in residential rehab away from her and the kids.

Megnogs · 14/07/2024 15:33

Doingmybest12 · 14/07/2024 14:24

It sounds very confusing for you, the behaviour is very manipulative , it doesn't feel directed at you but it is having a huge impact on how you feel. I would say it is directed at you , you are meant to notice and to know about it. I wod also worry that the destructive side will be more directed at you in the future. He needs to get some help with his issues but I really hope you begin to see how unhealthy this is, that it is abusive because of the impact on you even though you don't want to see this. I hope you gave some real life support.

If I feel like the behaviour is directed at me for some kind of reaction - how should I be reacting? Cos I have no idea

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Doingmybest12 · 14/07/2024 15:39

You can not react in a way that makes it better and ok because what ever you do will be wrong, or next time you do the same thing that worked once, it will be wrong. You can not fix him, he needs to do that work while being else where. The other outcome is that you become a shell of yourself, a shadow of yourself. And at some point someone will say you've failed to protect your child and prioritised him.

TakeOnFlea · 14/07/2024 15:42

"How would you respond when he says things like that? And please dont say leave him, leaving him is the last resort. If he shows any signs of hurting us I would be gone, I’m not scared of him, I know it sounds pretentious but I’m not."

Well you should be. I can only tell you that I would leave him. This is exactly how every family annihilation by men starts.

If he kills himself then so be it. That's not on you. But allowing your baby daughter to be abused by this unstable, angry and violent abuser is on you.

Nanny0gg · 14/07/2024 15:43

Megnogs · 14/07/2024 13:56

I honestly do appreciate your message but he isn’t a bad person - this kinda thing is only say 20% of the time we spend together, the rest of the time he is a good partner/dad and the relationship is healthy x

No it isn't

Is this what you're used to?

20% abuse is 20% too much.

Do you want your DC to be seeing this?

Nanny0gg · 14/07/2024 15:43

Megnogs · 14/07/2024 15:33

If I feel like the behaviour is directed at me for some kind of reaction - how should I be reacting? Cos I have no idea

By leaving

Nanny0gg · 14/07/2024 15:44

loropianalover · 14/07/2024 14:06

You need couples therapy so you have a safe space with someone else present to lay out the issues at home that are impacting you and baby. He needs to understand exactly what the issues are and why they are so scary. He needs to control himself before baby starts picking up his behaviours and thinking they are OK.

It will be hard but he needs to actively work on himself to be better. He needs different coping mechanisms for when he gets annoyed (not breaking things) and a different way to cope when he’s ’depressed’ (not the silent treatment).

No she doesn't

You never have therapy with an abuser

She needs it on her own to see what she's putting up with accepting

Doingmybest12 · 14/07/2024 15:45

Please check out local domestic abuse services, as the point of leaving is the time of most danger OP.

TheShiningCarpet · 14/07/2024 15:50

You seem to be spending a lot of time parenting him….i think your energy would be best placed in looking at how to create an environment that is safe for you and your child.

if you want to continue the relationship that’s up to you but he needs to have a break from your space so he can concentrate on getting well. NHS cbt is unlikely to be the tyoe of therapy needed for a suicidal veteran - he should seek help from specialist services. But he has to want that for him self. If he mentions suicide again, call the police.

please put your child’s well-being and yours first. You cannot help him form a positive relationship ship with his child in this state

Catnipcupcakes · 14/07/2024 15:50

Megnogs · 14/07/2024 15:33

If I feel like the behaviour is directed at me for some kind of reaction - how should I be reacting? Cos I have no idea

You should be leaving ASAP with the baby. Do not let on that you’re even thinking about it though and go when he’s out of the house. An abused women’s shelter would be better than your Mum’s. He must not know where you are. Its very unlikely that he will but if he then kills himself you’ll be safe.

If he knows you’re planning to leave or where you’ve gone when you do there’s a heightened danger that he will kill you and the baby and it sounds as though there’s a rapidly increasing chance he’ll do that if you stay. He will do it because he will truly believe that you’d all be better off dead than living in the world that the army revealed to him.

I wouldn’t trust NHS therapy or any other kind to mitigate that chance. Again, I know you love him but he’s seriously, dangerously ill and you CANNOT help him.