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My partner (m32) depression is affecting me (f32) mentally and I don’t know what to do anymore

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Megnogs · 14/07/2024 13:29

So little backstory - my partner has suffered with depression and PTSD ever since he left the military two years ago, basically they didn’t treat him very well and he ended up very depressed so he found a new job and left.

Flash forward to March this year and our beautiful baby girl was born - unfortunately it feels like his depression has worsened. I’m not an expert when it comes to this kind of thing because I have never suffered from depression myself, but it seems to come on in what I call ‘dark episodes’ so for example we will have a small argument or disagreement about a random thing, or he will snap and me and I will stand my ground and it will result in maybe 1-5 days of him going into a depressive state, he says this isn’t because he’s angry with me - it’s because he’s angry with himself for causing the argument in the first place.

He will barely talk to me during this and when he does it feels forced, this makes me feel extremely isolated and anxious in the house, he basically treats me like a roommate. He will also display signs of the ‘martyr complex’ and during this time he will basically go around looking for ways to be a martyr, example: he will walk around with our baby in his arms, does all the feeds, all the nappy changes, bath times, and when I try to do something he will say something like ‘I can do that, you can just relax, I need to be doing more because I’m being a shit dad’ even though he does considerably more chores around the house than myself. He won’t shower, sometimes won’t even eat and he says things like ‘sorry I stink but I’ve been looking after you all day’ to our baby or ‘I haven’t eaten but it’s my fault for not buying enough food’

He also becomes very destructive and careless during these periods. He used to throw things and break things deliberately (me and baby have never been in the room when he does it) but he was always careful to only break things that he has paid for. I gave him a big telling off for this and it seems to have calmed slightly but not completely. Just yesterday during an argument he broke our daughters nappy bin, I didn’t realise at the time until I found it in the bin smashed up, I know if I ask him about it that he will say he dropped it and it smashed or something but I saw him on our cctv throwing it at the car when he went to empty it and it smashed the bin lid. What upsets me most is that the bin was a gift from my baby shower, I doubt that even crossed his mind though.

He also has started to throw things in the bin that are perfectly fine. He threw our daughters bottle teats away (the next size up for when she was ready for them) he said he must have done it accidently when clearing out the kitchen but they were screwed onto her bottles so he’s obviously unscrewed them and thrown them away intentionally. He threw his perfectly healthy cactuses in the bin stating that ‘they didn’t look right in the kitchen so I just threw them away.’ Other things in the house will randomly vanish and I can only assume they’ve been thrown in the bin thoughtlessly during one of his bad days. Sometimes he will make a point of telling me he has thrown something away like he wants me to react and of course I do, because I just don’t understand how he could be so thoughtless, other times he won’t tell me and just say it he must have done it accidentally when I ask.

What’s bothering me most is the fact that these episodes seem to be triggered by me. He will say something in a rude way and because I call him out on it, this results in an argument which leads to the usual things that I described above. So it usually goes like this - I’ll give yesterdays argument as an example cos we’re currently in the middle of a ‘dark episode’:

I had a funny turn in the night - must have been a bit dehydrated- almost passed out during the night feed but pulled through and went to sleep. Woke up the next day feeling pretty shit - he asked me if I was okay now and I said yeah, not 100% though.
So later in the day when I’m having a rest on the sofa, he comes in from working outside and I’m talking quietly because baby is asleep and I’m not feeling too well - he assumes I’m mad at him for some reason. I go upstairs to get ready for going out and he feeds baby downstairs - only the tommy tippe machine is empty so he gets pissed off - the bottle has a bit of residue on it- he gets pissed off. Her formula tub needs refilling - by this point he sounds really pissed off so I go downstairs to see if I can help, he throws a bottle in the sink and says ‘can you make sure the bottles don’t have bubbles on before you put them in the machine’
I say ‘yeah but I didn’t actually clean that bottle, you did. I just took it from the sanitizer machine.’
This basically resulted in an argument about me apparently being ‘defensive’ all day and he said if I wasn’t feeling well just say that instead of ignoring him, I said that I did tell you I wasn’t feeling well. Later on I asked him if we could try and draw a line under it because I’d been looking forward to this day out and didnt want it to be spoiled by a silly argument - he gets even worse, suddenly he wasn’t in a bad mood but now he is because I suggested he was. This is seemingly when the nappy bin was broken - he must have thrown it outside on his way to emptying it.

I feel like I need to state that he’s not angry with me. He’s not throwing and breaking things because I’m not allowing myself to be controlled - I firmly believe that to be true. In his words he is frustrated because of his own actions- how he responds to things, how everything he does ‘turns to shit’ how he can’t just be a normal partner/dad etc. He is a very good dad and partner when he’s feeling good. He is supportive, caring and always cooks our dinner. He respects me 100% and I firmly believe he would never ever hurt me or our daughter. Sometimes I catch him swearing in frustration when our baby won’t stop crying and that does upset me, I really don’t know how you can swear at a baby when they are clearly upset about something but that’s just me.

I also should add that he’s recently started therapy - and that I probably should try being a little more patient and optimistic that change is coming but it’s really hard to see it that way when I feel the way that I do. I don’t want to break apart this family but every single time this happens I feel like I’m getting closer to having to leave him. What can I do?

OP posts:
Bobbotgegrinch · 14/07/2024 15:54

Megnogs · 14/07/2024 15:33

If I feel like the behaviour is directed at me for some kind of reaction - how should I be reacting? Cos I have no idea

You should be reacting by leaving him.

I'm sorry, I know that you don't want to hear that but he is abusing you and disguising it as "depression". Telling you he'll kill himself is just another form of control.

Gettingbysomehow · 14/07/2024 15:54

Quite honestly this sounds like typical PTSD to me and I'm really glad he's going for therapy. We get a lot of veterans with it in my NHS clinic and we have to handle them very carefully because they often go into a rage if a staff member is rude or something goes wrong. They can't handle their emotions.
Really this can only be treated with proper counselling and a lot of love if you have the patience.
I have PTSD myself and before it was managed I couldn't understand why I always felt so angry over stupid stuff. My psychiatrist showed me what was going on inside my head and with medication I control it competely and have the mental tools I need to communicate properly without flying off the handle.
Good luck.

Meadowwild · 14/07/2024 15:57

He needs to book into anger management training today. He also needs therapy to manage his depression. Men can get PND. It;s rare but it is real and anger can definitely be part of it.

Also, the army is notorious for churning out young men not equipped to cope with life. They are used to be bossed about, ridiculed, told what to do 24/7. Suddenly they are thrown, with no support, into civilian life which is sloppier, more casual, more complicated, expects them to think and act for themselves, not according to trained behaviour. The number of ex-forces men who end up in prison or on the streets is shockingly high.

He needs to recognise this is a massive problem, not all of his making (I blame the army for not giving adequate support aFter service) but up to him and him alone to resolve.

I'd give him one chance and make it clear there won't be a second one. He needs to prioritise anger management and his mental health in general and also educate himself on being a good parent and husband if he wants your family to stay together.

Doingmybest12 · 14/07/2024 16:33

Gettingbysomehow · 14/07/2024 15:54

Quite honestly this sounds like typical PTSD to me and I'm really glad he's going for therapy. We get a lot of veterans with it in my NHS clinic and we have to handle them very carefully because they often go into a rage if a staff member is rude or something goes wrong. They can't handle their emotions.
Really this can only be treated with proper counselling and a lot of love if you have the patience.
I have PTSD myself and before it was managed I couldn't understand why I always felt so angry over stupid stuff. My psychiatrist showed me what was going on inside my head and with medication I control it competely and have the mental tools I need to communicate properly without flying off the handle.
Good luck.

I know you mean well but I think your post is troubling. You talk about flying into a rage if someone has been rude or something goes wrong. You talk about him needing a lot of love and patience if OP has this. Implication being ,make everything OK for him and does OP have the love and patience to help him? I really think the focus for OP is her and her baby at the moment and their well being and safety.

Lavenderflower · 14/07/2024 16:38

https://londonveteranservice.nhs.uk

I don't where you are based but you need to find a local service.

Home

https://londonveteranservice.nhs.uk

Treesinthewind · 14/07/2024 16:43

TheStateOfTheArt · 14/07/2024 14:47

He’s trying to train you not to stand up to him.

You stand up to him. This triggers a day/several days of awful behaviour. He’s hoping you “learn” not to stand up to him in the hope of avoiding him being awful for a few days. It doesn’t matter if he doesn’t direct the anger and violence directly at you or your things, he knows it’s triggering anxiety in you and that’s the whole point.

It isn’t your job to fix him. He knows what he’s doing. He’s deflecting from all of that by saying “it’s my fault, I’m a bad dad, I’m a bad person” so you don’t realise ITS ALL DIRECTED AT MAKING YOU FEEL BAD.

100% this. I've been in two relationships where I was constantly walking on eggshells to avoid upsetting my then-partner(s). The first was more obviously abusive as his silent treatment was definitely intended to punish me.

With the more recent ex, he was never directly abusive to me, but there was a clear link between me expressing my totally reasonable needs, and him going into a 'depressive' episode with a lot of self-hatred. It was only once we split that a friend pointed out it was like he'd trained me not to ask anything of him.

AthenaBasil · 14/07/2024 16:44

It’s really common for women who are with abusers not to see it as abuse. They just think he has some issues and troubles and once they’re resolved things will be fine. But it doesn’t work that way.

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 14/07/2024 16:46

Megnogs · 14/07/2024 13:56

I honestly do appreciate your message but he isn’t a bad person - this kinda thing is only say 20% of the time we spend together, the rest of the time he is a good partner/dad and the relationship is healthy x

20% - so a day and a half a week he treats you like shit and he’s trained you to think it’s your fault? Fuck that.

EarthSight · 14/07/2024 16:48

or he will snap and me and I will stand my ground and it will result in maybe 1-5 days of him going into a depressive state, he says this isn’t because he’s angry with me - it’s because he’s angry with himself for causing the argument in the first place

This is no way to live. It's a straightforward ticket to being totally subordinate in a relationship.

Don't let yourself be blinded or gaslit by the nonsense. I think what's he's claiming is highly unlikely to be true. Either he gets so angry that it takes him that long to get out of his mood, which is a problem in itself, or he's being that way to punish you.

Lots of women get convinced that behaviour isn't the way it is because their partner or husband tells them otherwise. It's the way they get you to accept abusive behaviours by framing it as unintentional and as something that isn't directed at you, even trying to make you feel pity for them. Your normal compass which normally tells you when something wrong gets damaged, and you end up being very confused because you've been lied to for so long. Mind this doesn't happen to you.

Treesinthewind · 14/07/2024 16:49

Megnogs · 14/07/2024 15:06

If I leave and he kills himself what then? He’s attempted suicide before we he was in the military. My baby grows up without a dad who might not have ever been a danger to her.

My relationship with my son's dad broke down due to both abuse and serious mental illness, and I had to stop him seeing our son for safeguarding reasons. My ex died 15 months later (not clear if psychosis-induced accident or suicide). And yes, the guilt is horrendous and I've had to have a lot of therapy. This was in 2020, and my almost 8-year old is doing brilliantly now (though it's been a tough few years). I 100% don't regret leaving. I had no choice. As a previous poster said, I don't think I'd have had the strength to leave until I was a mother.

outdamnedspots · 14/07/2024 16:54

Your baby is growing up watching him smash stuff up, telling her to shut the fuck up and telling her it’s his fault he can’t do things.

She will absolutely normalise this, and pick a man in future who does this to her.

This.

Your p won't miraculously change, and as your dd gets older she will realise more and more how things are, how your relationship is, and how toxic the dynamic is.

How do you think your p will cope with her having a tantrum - the terrible twos, the teen years??? He can't cope with her being a baby!

Please don't have counselling with an abuser. You might find it helpful by yourself though.

You and your dd deserve so much more.

I'm worried for you. Your p sounds so angry, he could do anything.

Megnogs · 14/07/2024 17:14

Doingmybest12 · 14/07/2024 14:44

What was he like before the baby came along ?

We only really started living together when baby was born, I was kinda living half here and here with my parents. He was still breaking things but I’m not sure if they’ve really gotten worse since baby or if it just happens more cos I’m here more if you get me

OP posts:
LightSpeeds · 14/07/2024 17:19

"...but he isn’t a bad person - this kinda thing is only say 20% of the time we spend together, the rest of the time he is a good partner/dad and the relationship is healthy"

Yes, lots of people aren't a 'bad person', at heart, but still manage to totally erode away their partner's self-esteem and happiness.

It sounds pretty awful in your initial post - but in the above post it sounds like you're minimising the issues.

Honestly, it sounds like a mess that probably isn't going to get better.

Nools24 · 14/07/2024 17:24

What jumped out at me while reading your post is that he is angry with you but he can’t seem to admit that. All his behavior is an immature display of anger with you. He’s not depressed. He’s being abusive. You will be sorry if you stay. 20% of the time is a lot.

TakeOnFlea · 14/07/2024 17:33

You've only lived with him for 4 months? And he's treated you badly for a month of that with a newborn baby?

This should be the happiest time. This should be when things are lovely. Get out of there, this man is going to ruin your life!

Friendofdennis · 14/07/2024 17:44

You are trying to fix him but you can’t. He needs more professional help and you and the baby need to be living away from him at the moment. Also although your baby is only tiny she will already be picking up that she is in danger from him. Babies don’t new to understand words to detect hostility. You need to get her away from him ASAP

magnoliaagain · 14/07/2024 18:27

It doesn't get better. From someone who has lived it. It just gets worse and worse. This way you can leave and your baby won't know any better

Gettingbysomehow · 14/07/2024 23:16

Doingmybest12 · 14/07/2024 16:33

I know you mean well but I think your post is troubling. You talk about flying into a rage if someone has been rude or something goes wrong. You talk about him needing a lot of love and patience if OP has this. Implication being ,make everything OK for him and does OP have the love and patience to help him? I really think the focus for OP is her and her baby at the moment and their well being and safety.

Yes of course it is. But not everyone wants to or can walk out. It's good to discuss all views and aspects so OP can decide what is best for her. When people say leave its not always possible to just leave.

Thelnebriati · 14/07/2024 23:27

OP, I hope you will look at resources from The Freedom Program;

https://www.freedomprogramme.co.uk/docs/dominator-mr-right.pdf

https://www.freedomprogramme.co.uk/docs/dominator-mr-right.pdf

DreamTheMoors · 14/07/2024 23:30

Depressed & anxious people are extremely difficult to be around. They don’t express their feelings and emotions well - they lash out and get angry and get everything wrong.
They don’t mean to - their emotions are all over the place and the people around them are in the line of fire.
For as difficult as it is for you, the wife, the parents, the siblings, the children, it’s a thousand times more difficult and stressful to be that depressed person.
I’ve been on both sides of this equation and I wouldn’t wish it on anybody.
I hope therapy and the right medication helps your husband, @Megnogs.
Sending love.

Catnipcupcakes · 14/07/2024 23:32

Gettingbysomehow · 14/07/2024 23:16

Yes of course it is. But not everyone wants to or can walk out. It's good to discuss all views and aspects so OP can decide what is best for her. When people say leave its not always possible to just leave.

Edited

I’m sorry but I don’t agree. Nobody has to stay to potentially be killed by their partner when all the warning signs are there and encouraging OP to think she can help this terribly mentally ill man by being patient and caring is not the right thing to do especially with a newborn to consider.

In this case OP was living with her parents until just 4 months ago and although she could still be at risk as he will know where she is, she could presumeably go back to living with them, and I would urge her to do so as soon as she can safely leave the house.

Iloveespressomartiniseveryday · 14/07/2024 23:36

Hey, my husband has anxiety issues which is nowhere near as bad as PTSD, especially from being in the armed forces. I'm glad he's having therapy and I really hope it helps. It sometimes gets worse before it gets better. I don't think this is intentional abuse, I think he's really struggling and the birth of your child has put more pressure on him (in his head) from the things you've said. You're the closest people to him and he really wants to do his best, but he's being too hard on himself. Can you look for a support group for people dealing with family with PTSD and maybe that will help?

I've not seen if he's working a new job now he's out? Perhaps he could think about doing something that would make him happy?

I hope you guys get through this, if that's what you want to do and I hope you get some support x

Tv23456 · 15/07/2024 04:22

He is mentally unwell and abusive.
You chose to have a baby with him anyway.

You deliberately brought a child into an awful situation with a man who has MH problems.

Stop excusing him.
Move home to your parents and get the hell away with the baby.
He is threatening suicide to keep you in line.
If he does it that is on him.
Your first responsibility is to the innocent child you brought into this mess.
Keep yourself and the baby safe first.
Go home to your parents and stop putting him first.
Put your child first.

icelolly12 · 15/07/2024 07:31

OP your post is extremely concerning. You have a baby you need to protect. It reads as though you're walking on eggshells in fear of setting him off on one of his rages/'dark episodes'. He is showing anger towards a baby for not complying - not sleeping when he commands. This is no situation for you or your baby to be in.

I like a lot of other posters feel very worried for your safety.

icelolly12 · 15/07/2024 07:40

All of this talk about the causes - whether it's PTSD or anger issues from before the army or whatever is irrelevant- it will take a lot of work to get him to a 'normal' state if indeed it is ever possible.

Focus on the now and the impacts, and how you can help you and your baby without him in the picture.

Editing to add please do this safely as he is a genuine risk to himself and you both. The most dangerous time for a woman is when she is leaving and the man feels as though he has nothing to lose. Plan in secret.

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