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Why is that when you start asserting boundaries suddenly you become a problem?

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Whyisit9 · 30/06/2024 20:42

Why does this seem to always happen? I’ve been doing some inner work on myself because I’ve been unhappy for a long long time. Part of that inner work is to realise that I people please. I’ve stopped doing this. Suddenly I’ve become a problem, suddenly I have a complex!!!

For example I’ve stopped spending time with people who I’ve always been the one to visit. I don’t like the time spent when I visited because largely they make me feel unwelcome. Suddenly they now think I’m being funny. I’m not, I’ve not said anything I just don’t want to go. I’ve started to pick on things that certain family say to me and telling them I don’t like it. Suddenly I’m acting crazy. I’m really not running around with my pants on my head or anything. I just want to spend my time with people who actually seem to care about me.

Is this a normal thing?

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TheYearOfSmallThings · 02/07/2024 13:28

Whyisit9 · 02/07/2024 13:18

@TheYearOfSmallThings it’s not been that drastic. I’ve been telling DH for years that I feel something is going on. He has asked them to be more accommodating but they haven’t made any effort. I have slowly stopped making efforts but now I’ve just had enough really.

Well if it is just them and all your other relationships are happy and healthy, fuck it - they don't sound like they are worth much thought.

Missinginactionuntiltomorrow · 02/07/2024 15:22

Your time and mental space might be better spent pursuing therapy followed by assertiveness courses.

Ruminating is very unhealthy, to say the least. Please try not to fall into that trap, it leads to a number of devastating results. You must keep yourself occupied in healthy ways to avoid this.

Ruminating can become a lifelong slippery slope, of victimhood, major depression, raging passive aggressiveness, and in extreme cases can lead to the actual harm of others.
You are showing signs of already sinking into it, try to save yourself before it becomes too ingrained to abandon this particular way of interfacing with the world. The person it will harm the most will be you.

Whyisit9 · 02/07/2024 16:08

Yeah I know. I can’t seem to get my brain to be happy with my decision. What happens if I’ve got it wrong and I am causing issues.

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roses321 · 02/07/2024 16:11

Whyisit9 · 30/06/2024 20:42

Why does this seem to always happen? I’ve been doing some inner work on myself because I’ve been unhappy for a long long time. Part of that inner work is to realise that I people please. I’ve stopped doing this. Suddenly I’ve become a problem, suddenly I have a complex!!!

For example I’ve stopped spending time with people who I’ve always been the one to visit. I don’t like the time spent when I visited because largely they make me feel unwelcome. Suddenly they now think I’m being funny. I’m not, I’ve not said anything I just don’t want to go. I’ve started to pick on things that certain family say to me and telling them I don’t like it. Suddenly I’m acting crazy. I’m really not running around with my pants on my head or anything. I just want to spend my time with people who actually seem to care about me.

Is this a normal thing?

To answer your question are you really suprised?

If you press a lever and get a sweetie, how do you think people will respond when sweeties stop coming out when they press the lever. What happens when you press the button for the lift and the lift doesn't come immediately? People tend to rapidly press the button hoping that the lift will come sooner.

Your job is: Be like the lift. Do what you fucking want.

sarahc336 · 02/07/2024 16:20

Sorry @Whyisit9 I hadn't meant to type you need to lol at the relationship 🙈 I meant to say you need to look at the relationship as a whole.

pikkumyy77 · 02/07/2024 16:33

Maybe she is a monstrous abandoning person. Maybe she is just cold to you and her son. Whatever. You have made a decision that you don’t enjoy her company and she has made the same one about you. Now the two of you are tussling for control of the narrative and your dh.

Whyisit9 · 02/07/2024 16:40

The narrative is I don’t like the way I feel in their company so I’ve decided to step back. He can go and do what he likes, but he needs to respect how I feel. I’m not looking for him to fix it just accept that’s how I feel. I get in this spin thinking if they could change the way they treat me then it would be ok but I can’t control that. I’m sure that’s how she thinks also.

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DesparatePragmatist · 02/07/2024 17:17

As a fellow recovering people pleaser, I've found this such an interesting thread. Congrats OP on being articulate and self-aware, and lots of PPs for very perceptive points.

My tuppence-worth: while concepts of boundaries and matched energy are no doubt excellent and helpful, I think they're situation-specific, and become quite draining if used to support your whole approach to relationships.

Matching energies still allows the other person to define the relationship. There are times when you want to put in either more or less - to stimulate a new friendship, to care for a loved one needing support, to discourage unwanted attention. I find it more useful to think of what I really want to do, in terms of what I want to achieve, and do that- what others do and how much energy they put in is up to them. Similarly, boundaries, sure we should all have them in terms of no violence, stealing, unfaithfulness etc but most relationships are within those limits and defined more by a dynamic balance. Boundaries as a concept to define behaviours within relationships don't work if they impose an expectation others are required to conform to. We can't control what others do.

For me, a more useful way of thinking has been to imagine what I would do if I was confident,calm and clear on what I want -and then do it anyway.

I also notice how confident and assertive people act. Often they just don't care that much about awkward people's behaviour, so find it easier to be around them without taking much notice, or say no to them without it being a drama. I hope to achieve this attitude one day!

DesparatePragmatist · 02/07/2024 17:24

An example of the limitations of matched energy- a while back, OP said you wouldn't visit them while they aren't visiting you. But why do you want them to visit you - you don't like them?

Maybe the thing to do is think about what outcome you want from your whole relationship with your in-laws. Possibly it's not no contact, for your DH and DCs sake, even if you would happily never see them again. Maybe it's a light touch nothingish level of contact that's just enough to not be a 'thing', not interupting your DHs relationshio with his family but not demanding anything of you. Once you know what you want, undefined by what they do, it gives you a much simpler way to navigate I've found.

Whyisit9 · 02/07/2024 18:43

@DesparatePragmatist I understand what you say but the issue is they actually say really hurtful things. My oldest daughter has caught on also. I could go but then we are subjected to comments and behaviour that isn’t really nice. If they were distant but behaved then I’d definitely go.

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wildcatz · 02/07/2024 18:44

Hello @Whyisit9 from a fellow people-pleaser ..I totally get where you're coming from, down to finally laying setting boundaries & then after all that feeling like the problem maker ..uughhh it's so hard to navigate!

I'm having a wobble at the moment funnily enough, but I'm determined to get through - and reading the brilliant advice you're getting on this thread is really helping

Wishing you all the very best and please know that you're not alone Smile

Greydays10 · 02/07/2024 18:55

You have to concentrate on not people pleasing your husband.
He has only known you as a people pleaser and has suited himself.
His parents are not nice.
Better they do NOT visit you.
How awful if they forced themselves upon you in your home.
How much worse that would be.
Stop engaging with your husband about his family.
YOU are happy with not seeing them, and they are ambivalent about seeing you.
He can visit them.
You are not responsible for his relationship with his parents, so the trick is to happily send him on his way.
What is NOT OK is for him to bully you and blame you for deciding that you have no desire to visit with people who treat you poorly.
Think hard about your future....you deserve better

Whyisit9 · 02/07/2024 19:18

@Greydays10 I haven’t so much people pleased him. It’s my second really serious relationship so this time around I was sure to not start it like I did the previous. I’ve explained several times about how is family treat me. I don’t want to get in arguments and spell it out to him. Eg them never making an effort to see him or his children, running off every occasion we’ve needed support. He is way too enmeshed in the whole thing. He is a terrible people pleaser to his mum and she only needs to do bare minimum. If I go then I go to keep the peace I suppose not because I want anything from them.

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Whyisit9 · 03/07/2024 07:02

I re-read last night and thanks for all the great replies. Time to stop thinking about it and accept it for what it is. I think I’m too dominant for my MIL, not that I’m bossy or horrible but I’m not a “doormat”. I don’t think this relationship will ever grow. I have to get over the grief because I really did want to belong to a nice family but this isn’t going to happen and Im not willing to submit myself to be accepted. I’m raising strong resilient women not submissive women so I need to keep up my example and plough through, I just need to keep reminding myself.

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