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Clingy and needy when apart, great in person

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enkelt · 29/06/2024 23:09

Hi everyone. I started seeing this guy (single dad, 2 kids) about 6 months ago. Initially (like the first week), I was glad to find someone very communicative. We text and video call every day and we meet up 2-3x/week. He is open about his past and generally just very sweet. He's the opposite of the ghosting types, or those who feign interest for sex, or those who feel lukewarm about me.

But soon, I started feeling suffocated. I mean, there were typical "red flags" all over the place. He said he loved me pretty much the 2nd or 3rd date. He'd call me 2-10x/day, all video-calls, as he works outdoors and has a lot of free time. The thing that creeps me out a little is that he would call for literally 10 seconds or so, "just to see my face", or just to tell me he loves me. I've told him many times that it doesn't feel right "to be looked at" but he says he misses me. I don't know if I should feel flattered or uncomfortable.

In the very beginning, there was worse behaviour. For example, he'd take my phone and check my communication history. He'd get very emotional if he saw I talked to a male, non-colleague person. When I told him I'd be meeting a female friend, he'd call more that day. He'd make sure to see the friend on videocamera. Such behaviour (phone-checking) stopped after I told him it made me uncomfortable. Also, if he interrupted my other calls or if I missed a call, he'd send quite aggressive messages like "you're speaking with/meeting another person/boy".

I thought about ending things about 2-3 months in. The scariest thing is, surprisingly, not his behaviour, but the change in my behaviour. For example, I find myself screenshotting my call with another person when he interrupts, since I could then send the screenshot to show him I was speaking to my family. This was not something he demanded; it's something he's gradually "trained" me to do, because I'd rather do this than to argue. I also started deleting my WhatsApp history since he would check (he stopped doing this after 1 month, but still). The worst part is that I've started to expect his message and calls every 1 hour or so. This is damaging to my mind.

The thing is, it's difficult for me because he's 100% okay in person. I love spending time with him in person. And he's a great dad. If I could disregard his off-site communications, I would be happy. But unfortunately I can't. He's improved a bit, but whenever I catch some off-putting behaviour and call him out, he'd say it's because he "loves me too much" (which is actually the most off-putting response).

I find him very sweet and endearing but I'm not sure about love. My feelings for him are muddled by the confusion and suffocation. But somehow his "methods" have been so effective that I just can't break up completely. I tried 2 times. I tried doing it over video-calls, because I'd be weak if I met in person. Both times he didn't believe me, and said, we could meet over coffee. Then somehow I wasn't able to break up, because I'm 100% happy when I'm with him in person.

I don't know, something is seriously messed up, but I don't know what to do. It probably too difficult to change him and his behaviour with the phone just stresses me out, and it's not sustainable for me. But I am not sure about breaking up over the phone??? We don't live together but he knows where I live. He's probably not dangerous but still, I want a peace of mind by breaking up in person....

OP posts:
flowerpetal1 · 08/07/2024 09:24

enkelt · 08/07/2024 00:28

well just a simple update. I cannot disclose everything, but, I would say that the case is closed. I don't have the energy to detail this now. All I can say is... never again.

The following may be the stress or alcohol speaking. But please, ladies, being single is very much underrated. Read, write, make art, watch movies, have a hobby, talk to girl friends.... there are just too many things out there worth exploring, with 0% risks. I am of the firm belief that almost all forms of culture are natalist, though....

anyway... gonna rest soon. thanks everyone, your messages have made me strong.

How is everything this morning OP? Flowers

Tippet · 08/07/2024 09:30

enkelt · 08/07/2024 00:28

well just a simple update. I cannot disclose everything, but, I would say that the case is closed. I don't have the energy to detail this now. All I can say is... never again.

The following may be the stress or alcohol speaking. But please, ladies, being single is very much underrated. Read, write, make art, watch movies, have a hobby, talk to girl friends.... there are just too many things out there worth exploring, with 0% risks. I am of the firm belief that almost all forms of culture are natalist, though....

anyway... gonna rest soon. thanks everyone, your messages have made me strong.

Just saying it’s not a choice between a controlling relationship or none, PP — other flavours are available. However, you’re absolutely right to stay single for a while, and to think hard about why you stayed as long as you did. Therapy would help.

Also, even reading your original post, it was clear to me that he was ok when you saw one another in person because it was the one time he knew you weren’t talking to other men, which appears to have been what he thought you were doing all the rest of the time, and why he kept phoning for ten-second FaceTime calls.

Stay safe, OP.

ItsBinDayToday · 08/07/2024 09:38

You’re a good example about why we need to talk about gut feelings and following them.

Poor you and I hope things feel better this morning.

Opentooffers · 08/07/2024 10:20

There's something odd about the way you've handled this, not to mention ignoring major red flags at the start. The blocking for an hour was game playing, then the unblocking and reading everything he wrote, including threats. The screaming down the phone at him on facetime. Keeping location on with a potential stalker, so he could see with ease where you are at . All these moves were unnecessary and creating more drama. I wonder why you did all that.
Probably a wise move for you not to aim to date for a good while and perhaps get some counselling. Don't date until you come to understand why you reacted the way you did rather than dumping the nutter by 2nd date.

TheShellBeach · 08/07/2024 10:33

I don't think the OP fully realised how dangerous this man is, @Opentooffers

You're laying a lot of blame at her door.

TheShellBeach · 08/07/2024 10:34

Are you okay this morning, @enkelt?

enkelt · 08/07/2024 12:11

Hi everyone. I am good, I will get a cup of coffee, thank you. @Opentooffers I genuinely don't know. Sometimes their presence in your life just becomes so strong that you do everything almost out of reflex. I'd say that part of it is a variation of addiction--you turn on the phone and automatically check if they've contacted you... Part of it was that I wanted to assess just how bad the situation is? I really don't know...

I'll just do some introspection today.

I can't believe how supportive internet strangers can be, thanks a lot.

OP posts:
TheShellBeach · 08/07/2024 15:30

Has he been arrested OP?
Did the police discover a previous conviction, and was he recalled to prison?

enkelt · 10/07/2024 06:26

TheShellBeach · 08/07/2024 15:30

Has he been arrested OP?
Did the police discover a previous conviction, and was he recalled to prison?

oh, yes.. I was wrong to think the case was closed. Ended up spending 7 hours at the police station because the officer thought he should be arrested.. I don’t know about previous convictions. I hope I was the first…

OP posts:
TheShellBeach · 10/07/2024 07:34

enkelt · 10/07/2024 06:26

oh, yes.. I was wrong to think the case was closed. Ended up spending 7 hours at the police station because the officer thought he should be arrested.. I don’t know about previous convictions. I hope I was the first…

I do not think you were the first and I hope he was arrested.
He's the sort of dangerous man who ends up in jail.

pictoosh · 10/07/2024 07:53

"But soon, I started feeling suffocated. I mean, there were typical "red flags" all over the place. He said he loved me pretty much the 2nd or 3rd date."

That was the time to run. He barely knew you!

So it doesn't matter who you are...just that you represent an achievement to him, ie, a girlfriend.
And clearly a girlfriend is a possession to him.

pictoosh · 10/07/2024 07:59

Ok have read your updates now. Bloody hell. You poor woman.

TemuSpecialBuy · 10/07/2024 08:44

Jesus Christ…

you poor woman…
please don’t “feel sorry for him” or think “he didn’t understand” if the police want to charge him please encourage them to do so.

this behaviour is not normal and is most likely dangerous l.

RomanRoysSearchHistory · 10/07/2024 10:59

The guy's unhinged, he needs to be off the streets and it's important that this doesn't happen to anyone else. I've been in a similar situation- unbeknownst to me the guy was already on bail for previous assault and harassment of his previous girlfriend and also had a restraining order against him from the mother of his child.
During the bail he was on in my case, he moved in with an acquaintance of mine.
I couldn't warn her as the case was ongoing and he told her I was nuts.
She ended up stuck with him for 18 months, finally booted him out and he's almost immediately got another girl pregnant.
The police are pretty fucking useless tbh but please at least try to ensure he can't continue with this behaviour. I think about the girl with the baby to him all the time and it makes me feel sick but at least I know I did my best.

TheShellBeach · 10/07/2024 11:42

Have you seen Baby Reindeer?

TheShellBeach · 12/07/2024 19:18

Hope you're still okay, OP.
You've been through a difficult experience.

enkelt · 14/07/2024 17:17

TheShellBeach · 12/07/2024 19:18

Hope you're still okay, OP.
You've been through a difficult experience.

yes, I've been well, thank you. The police said he's got no previous convictions and admitted to everything he did. He was bailed, with the conditions that he not contact me directly or indirectly. I feel quite relieved.... Thanks everyone.

OP posts:
TheShellBeach · 14/07/2024 17:20

That's a good update.

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