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Clingy and needy when apart, great in person

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enkelt · 29/06/2024 23:09

Hi everyone. I started seeing this guy (single dad, 2 kids) about 6 months ago. Initially (like the first week), I was glad to find someone very communicative. We text and video call every day and we meet up 2-3x/week. He is open about his past and generally just very sweet. He's the opposite of the ghosting types, or those who feign interest for sex, or those who feel lukewarm about me.

But soon, I started feeling suffocated. I mean, there were typical "red flags" all over the place. He said he loved me pretty much the 2nd or 3rd date. He'd call me 2-10x/day, all video-calls, as he works outdoors and has a lot of free time. The thing that creeps me out a little is that he would call for literally 10 seconds or so, "just to see my face", or just to tell me he loves me. I've told him many times that it doesn't feel right "to be looked at" but he says he misses me. I don't know if I should feel flattered or uncomfortable.

In the very beginning, there was worse behaviour. For example, he'd take my phone and check my communication history. He'd get very emotional if he saw I talked to a male, non-colleague person. When I told him I'd be meeting a female friend, he'd call more that day. He'd make sure to see the friend on videocamera. Such behaviour (phone-checking) stopped after I told him it made me uncomfortable. Also, if he interrupted my other calls or if I missed a call, he'd send quite aggressive messages like "you're speaking with/meeting another person/boy".

I thought about ending things about 2-3 months in. The scariest thing is, surprisingly, not his behaviour, but the change in my behaviour. For example, I find myself screenshotting my call with another person when he interrupts, since I could then send the screenshot to show him I was speaking to my family. This was not something he demanded; it's something he's gradually "trained" me to do, because I'd rather do this than to argue. I also started deleting my WhatsApp history since he would check (he stopped doing this after 1 month, but still). The worst part is that I've started to expect his message and calls every 1 hour or so. This is damaging to my mind.

The thing is, it's difficult for me because he's 100% okay in person. I love spending time with him in person. And he's a great dad. If I could disregard his off-site communications, I would be happy. But unfortunately I can't. He's improved a bit, but whenever I catch some off-putting behaviour and call him out, he'd say it's because he "loves me too much" (which is actually the most off-putting response).

I find him very sweet and endearing but I'm not sure about love. My feelings for him are muddled by the confusion and suffocation. But somehow his "methods" have been so effective that I just can't break up completely. I tried 2 times. I tried doing it over video-calls, because I'd be weak if I met in person. Both times he didn't believe me, and said, we could meet over coffee. Then somehow I wasn't able to break up, because I'm 100% happy when I'm with him in person.

I don't know, something is seriously messed up, but I don't know what to do. It probably too difficult to change him and his behaviour with the phone just stresses me out, and it's not sustainable for me. But I am not sure about breaking up over the phone??? We don't live together but he knows where I live. He's probably not dangerous but still, I want a peace of mind by breaking up in person....

OP posts:
EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 04/07/2024 20:15

Do not respond to any of his communications. If you do, all that you've taught him us that he needs to call you 19, 50, 150 times before you pick up, or that he has to threaten to come to your door before you pick up. Stop rewarding his behaviour with what he wants - contact.

Speak to the police ASAP. If he isn't dangerous, then a word from them will give his head a wobble and he'll leave you alone. If it doesn't fix things then you'll be in a better position going forward if further police action is required.

Be safe and tell people what's happening. Particularly tell your workplace to be vigilant for anyone calling and asking for you. Ask someone to walk you to your car if its an isolated spot.

Thank your intuition for telling you that this man was dangerous. His behaviour made you uncomfortable, and you listened to your feelings and kept yourself safe. Well done. Many women are seriously hurt or killed every year because they tell themselves "he's probably harmless, he's just a bit over the top, I should be grateful..."

Panpastels · 04/07/2024 20:20

Don't engage, at all. If you do, then you're rewarding his attempts.

Contact the police. Be vigilant.

Men like this make me so angry, i hope you're ok.

SuperGreens · 04/07/2024 21:00

I was advised to reply something along the lines of "If you continue to contact me, it will be regarded as harassment and the police will be involved."
And if he continues then you do contact them and get it all on record, and then they have the authority to call him and speak to him about his behaviour.

TheShellBeach · 04/07/2024 21:20

Jesus, OP you need to go to the police immediately.
You're in danger.
Can you move out for a while?
Ask the police for a Clare's Law on him as well.

TheShellBeach · 04/07/2024 21:25

After 1.5 days of fully ignoring him (absolutely no contact), he then sent me a live location update this afternoon, showing me that he's at an eatery near my place.

That's utterly terrifying.

He's unhinged.

Please go to the police at once. You're in a lot of danger from this man.

Redshoeblueshoe · 04/07/2024 21:31

Speak to women's aid.

RomanRoysSearchHistory · 04/07/2024 21:34

Send one message asking him to please stop contacting you. DO NOT RESPOND TO ANY FURTHER CONTACT. If you do, the police will take this as encouragement. Please report this man asap.

ItsBinDayToday · 04/07/2024 21:35

Jesus, he’s a full nut bag. I would 100% go to the police.
Id also be tempted to contact him one last time you have contacted the police and any further communication will be logged with them.

Bleurfghjj · 04/07/2024 21:37

Oh dear god, RUN

robinsnest1967 · 04/07/2024 21:41

Please report this to the police. You can do it online via 101. Screenshot all the watapps and calls. Similar happened to me 6 months ago. I did a Claires Law and the police called me in and disclosed that he had a record for controlling and coercive behaviour plus sexual abuse and rape. I blocked him on everything but he was still able to call my number but not get through (my phone kept a record of his attempts). We are now nearly 4 months on and he still tries to call me 4 times a day 🙄

enkelt · 05/07/2024 00:36

I just went to the police. They told me, since I haven't block him, it doesn't count as harassment. (Despite the 100 messages + emails since the breakup.) So I must first block him, and if he tries to contact me via a new number or other means, then it'd be harassment. I asked them what I could do. They told me, if he comes to my place/I feel some physical threat, call 999. But blocking is the first step.

Nonetheless, they made a report.

While waiting, he sent a screenshot of his order of an amazon parcel, sent to me, my address. He wanted me to accept the parcel for him. Obviously I didn't reply, and blocked. Just another example of his obsession.

hopefully blocking will end things permanently. Unfortunately my email provider can't block a sender (can only send them to spam). And I saw that he'd sent at least 3-4 emails in the hour I was at the police....

that's the update for now. For those on the same boat: block!! thanks everyone, writing things out really helped.

OP posts:
OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 05/07/2024 00:49

If an Amazon parcel does arrive, do not accept it. Reject it as ' not at this address ' etc.

TheShellBeach · 05/07/2024 01:27

Right, well done for going to the police.
Now that you've blocked him, you'll see how quickly he'll ramp things up.
He'll be furious not to get a response from you. He'll start writing more and more messages and emails.
He may write you letters.
He could easily carry on sending you parcels.
Keep everything as evidence and go back to the police in three or four days when you've got loads of stuff to show them.

TheShellBeach · 05/07/2024 01:29

Did you ask for a Clare's Law on him?

Fannyfiggs · 05/07/2024 07:19

Good lord, what a dangerous man. I'm glad you went to the police and they have a record of it.

ItsBinDayToday · 05/07/2024 08:16

Well done on going to the police, I hope he backs down soon

Bleurfghjj · 05/07/2024 08:45

enkelt · 05/07/2024 00:36

I just went to the police. They told me, since I haven't block him, it doesn't count as harassment. (Despite the 100 messages + emails since the breakup.) So I must first block him, and if he tries to contact me via a new number or other means, then it'd be harassment. I asked them what I could do. They told me, if he comes to my place/I feel some physical threat, call 999. But blocking is the first step.

Nonetheless, they made a report.

While waiting, he sent a screenshot of his order of an amazon parcel, sent to me, my address. He wanted me to accept the parcel for him. Obviously I didn't reply, and blocked. Just another example of his obsession.

hopefully blocking will end things permanently. Unfortunately my email provider can't block a sender (can only send them to spam). And I saw that he'd sent at least 3-4 emails in the hour I was at the police....

that's the update for now. For those on the same boat: block!! thanks everyone, writing things out really helped.

Edited

Well done for going to the police!

I’m shocked they’ve told you that though – there’s no element of the law on harassment that says you have to block the person. It still counts as harassment.

I can imagine some people might want to maintain an awareness of what the other person is doing and their state of mind (if you block someone’s number or email they can still send messages but you just don’t see them).

TheShellBeach · 06/07/2024 11:23

@enkelt how are you getting on?
Is he still contacting you?

enkelt · 06/07/2024 21:37

TheShellBeach · 06/07/2024 11:23

@enkelt how are you getting on?
Is he still contacting you?

I've blocked his WhatsApp, phone, emails... I forgot about telegram (which we never used), so he started calling & messaging there. I then blocked. I also have a personal website, so he left a "chat message" there. Can't do anything about that... He still wrote 6 emails today, which went into spam. One of them mentioned he'd be "on my street or show up at my work". And just now, he left a voice message, "Call me", using a number I blocked. It's terrifying. I am yet to look into Clare's law (the police said it's done online)....

I feel so so so stupid right now. And even when I've blocked all that I could, I am just too mentally occupied to be doing anything else for myself...

The police did give me a case number, so I might be able to check council flats. I don't know, I hope it doesn't come to that....

just feeling exhausted and have not left the house since the police visit. thanks everyone.

OP posts:
Timetoheal4good · 06/07/2024 21:49

enkelt · 06/07/2024 21:37

I've blocked his WhatsApp, phone, emails... I forgot about telegram (which we never used), so he started calling & messaging there. I then blocked. I also have a personal website, so he left a "chat message" there. Can't do anything about that... He still wrote 6 emails today, which went into spam. One of them mentioned he'd be "on my street or show up at my work". And just now, he left a voice message, "Call me", using a number I blocked. It's terrifying. I am yet to look into Clare's law (the police said it's done online)....

I feel so so so stupid right now. And even when I've blocked all that I could, I am just too mentally occupied to be doing anything else for myself...

The police did give me a case number, so I might be able to check council flats. I don't know, I hope it doesn't come to that....

just feeling exhausted and have not left the house since the police visit. thanks everyone.

I just wanted to say that some of the behaviours in your OP resonated with me. My ex done some of this for the time we were together. Demanding video calls at all hours of the night etc and it got to the stage I didn't want to leave the house because I had to document everywhere I went and everyone I seen or spoke to. He'd go through my phone and threaten me if I tried to say no or if I couldn't prove 'my innocence'.

It's scary that it's escalated in this way and I'm so glad you went to the police. Now that he is contacting you while blocked, can they escalate your complaint? Is there someone that could come and stay with you for now, a friend or family member? Never underestimate these kinds of people, it is a power trip and he will be grasping at straws now you've cut him off.

Stay safe x

TheShellBeach · 06/07/2024 22:36

I still feel that you're in great danger, OP.

I can sense that you're very uneasy now.

You must find somewhere safe to go to, until he's arrested. He's not going to give up. Threatening to turn up at your work is a big escalation.

Don't hesitate to contact the police again.

And do ask for a Clare's Law on him. Clare Bernal, who it's named after, only went out with her stalker for three weeks. After she ended it, he went to her work and shot her dead.

ItsBinDayToday · 06/07/2024 22:52

You’ve blocked him, he’s still contacting you and saying he’s coming to your street. Go back to the police in the morning.
Every single time now he contacts you, log it with them.

can you stay somewhere else a few days. Just in case he is hanging about, and even just wants to talk to you.
First thing on Monday contact HR/boss and tell them what’s going on so they can make some changes. Is there receptionist for instance, so they know what to say.

bloody men.

Snipples · 06/07/2024 23:35

I've been watching this thread for a few days now and just want to echo what other posters are saying. Please update the police about this further contact and threats to show up in your street and at work. I hope they arrest him. Take care OP.

enkelt · 08/07/2024 00:28

well just a simple update. I cannot disclose everything, but, I would say that the case is closed. I don't have the energy to detail this now. All I can say is... never again.

The following may be the stress or alcohol speaking. But please, ladies, being single is very much underrated. Read, write, make art, watch movies, have a hobby, talk to girl friends.... there are just too many things out there worth exploring, with 0% risks. I am of the firm belief that almost all forms of culture are natalist, though....

anyway... gonna rest soon. thanks everyone, your messages have made me strong.

OP posts:
TheShellBeach · 08/07/2024 00:32

I hope you're okay, OP.
I've been worried about you and about this situation.

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