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Affair after nearly 40 years of marriage

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citylady62 · 26/06/2024 05:55

Same old story but after nearly 40 years of marriage and three grown up successful children I was ready to settle into a comfortable long retirement with my husband. In our marriage he's been the earner and I've worked part time. Times have gone up and down financially but we are now very comfortable - house in a good city and abroad. We have quite different interests and I know that I've been the more extrovert- would describe my husband maybe as borderline highly functioning ASD at times but only slightly. I guess we'd slipped into taking each other for granted. I'd envisaged a really easy ride retirement with him working in his interesting business which he's been growing for the part 4 years and will hopefully give us a good return eventually and which I can dabble in if I choose - it keeps him happy but too happy it turns out. He brought a woman into the business initially as a volunteer, then gave her a paid project and now she's full time managing one project. Last year he told me he no longer loved me and was worried for our future. I took it badly, threatened suicide. We dribbled on through winter into spring. No sleeping together. I suspected an affair but couldn't bring myself to ask. I know he loves the company of this woman who is 8 years his junior. He told me this spring that he had had an affair and slept with her ( I asked him this directly otherwise suspect he'd have kept that to himself) but couldn't contemplate breaking our family apart after so long. He's really keen got the grown up offspring not to know. I took it badly, threatened suicide again and he has agreed to end the affair. He's effectively ghosted his employee as I've told him it's her or me. I'm glad I'm causing her hurt through encouraging him to now treat her harshly because even though he says he instigated it I blame her for reciprocating. He has a high sex drive when younger but it slowed down a lot. I know they were really close, my husband was clearly in love and she's very much like him in personality- quiet, serious and work focused. God knows how he'll negotiate working with her without contact- their problem. He says he can't sack her as her own marriage ended (apparently not her fault and not through infidelity and before this affair) and he was a support through this. I should say my husband confessed to almost getting too close to another woman through work 4 years ago but we talked and it brought us closer, or do so thought. I don't want to lose him. I'm insanely jealous he turned to another woman for companionship leading to a 8 month affair. We slept together recently at my instigation as I needed evidence he was 'back' in our marriage. We'll have counselling. Not sure I'll ever forgive him but I do think, as does he, that he was ridiculous to threaten our comfortable years of retirement ahead and family moments just for the concept I suspect of finding a soulmate in his 60s. I know it's me forcing him to cut her off - he's out of touch emotionally in many ways and thought he could keep seeing her through work but I've put a stop to that by issuing an ultimatum. I know I'm very controlling but he's always seemed to be happy with that and happy in his own sweet world providing for me. We're starting counselling and I'm confident he's not seeing the OW and has but her off harshly to make things clear and he's constantly holding my hand etc again and agreeing to lots of being together. Will he really fall back in love with me having confessed to falling out of love with me last Autumn or is this all surface manipulation of feelings and deep down he still wants her? I can't contemplate life without the structure and status of my marriage - we've been together since I was in my early 20s so he's pretty much all I've known in terms of relationships. I just wanted life to keep
pottering on and can still incredulous he'd threaten all we've built up for an 8 month romance.
I confronted her at work and told her how awful she was for sleeping with my husband. She explained later he instigated and it was mutually deep feelings that they had for each other but i can't believe my loving gentle husband would go this without encouragement from her.

Now I'm feeling strong because he's back and has rejected her but I wonder if we can really ever get back to the 'together forever' stable couple I thought we were? Anyone else experienced an affair after such a long marriage? Will we make it? Will he suddenly give in on his no contact with OW I've forced him into? At the moment he's doing all to convince me it's over including sleeping with me and is full of regret but is this true love for me or normal for a man trying to convince himself that a good-ish marriage he almost gave up on for an affair is the better choice for comfort and stability in his later years (he's 64) than starting again with someone he once thought of as a soulmate but now seems able to cut off.

OP posts:
PrincessMee · 26/06/2024 17:11

citylady62 · 26/06/2024 06:59

@FlissyPaps

He is now saying he loves me again and wants it to work hence resuming marital relations and us seeking counselling. He says he realised the affair wasn't stronger than our family unit at a certain point. I'm just still in disbelief it ever happened...

I'm sorry to say but in discovery most of them say this. They soon get tired of having to be accountable and the " effort" starts to diminish.

Boomer55 · 26/06/2024 17:11

retinolalcohol · 26/06/2024 13:33

Why do you even want to still be married to someone who needed you to threaten suicide in order to stay?

You should never ever beg a man to stay, and certainly not like this. It's highly manipulative and some would say abusive.

He's likely not been happy for a long time, and you can't be ever again. Let go.

It is manipulative and it is abusive. Thats what it is.🤷‍♀️. The husband will find a way to see a woman he wants to be with.

crockofshite · 26/06/2024 17:20

citylady62 · 26/06/2024 06:23

I honestly believed our marriage was good until the OW came along. I was totally in love with him still after all these years. I thought his quiet, easy going introvert nature meant he'd never do a thing like this, especially at our age. Our impending retirement years seems to have triggered this. He now seems to definitely want the marriage and life we've made together to continue as before - maybe even better after we've had counselling.

But it wasn't a good marriage, was it? because he's had affairs in the past and you threatened suicide before as well.

The marriage is over and you need to accept it.

Janiie · 26/06/2024 17:25

'But it wasn't a good marriage, was it? because he's had affairs in the past and you threatened suicide before as well.'

Previous flings? Did I miss that?

Starrynights9 · 26/06/2024 17:44

Janiie · 26/06/2024 17:25

'But it wasn't a good marriage, was it? because he's had affairs in the past and you threatened suicide before as well.'

Previous flings? Did I miss that?

Not correct. He 'almost' got too close to a woman many years before, told OP, they spoke about it & they became closer, must have worked on relationship. It's always beter to admit it before anything happens if you feel someone is becoming a threat.

skippy67 · 26/06/2024 18:05

Laxidais · 26/06/2024 15:44

Some angry and self-righteous people just come on MN to pick a fight over nonsense. It was a simple misunderstanding. You sound nuts. Get a grip, get a life.

You do indeed sound angry and self righteous. Maybe you should consider getting some counselling?

user1984778379202 · 26/06/2024 18:07

Starrynights9 · 26/06/2024 17:44

Not correct. He 'almost' got too close to a woman many years before, told OP, they spoke about it & they became closer, must have worked on relationship. It's always beter to admit it before anything happens if you feel someone is becoming a threat.

That's not correct either. OP said in her opening comment that he got close to someone four years ago, not many years ago – "I should say my husband confessed to almost getting too close to another woman through work 4 years ago but we talked and it brought us closer, or do so thought."

Then in another part of the opening comment she said "I'd envisaged a really easy ride retirement with him working in his interesting business which he's been growing for the past 4 years".

So, business started four years ago at the same time he was on the verge of an affair. OP hasn't said, but for all she knows the OW could be the same woman.

coldcallerbaiter · 26/06/2024 18:21

Make him stay, why should ow get him. If he is miserable, who cares.
Funny how the boss or someone with his own business is always an attraction to these women. He is the one to blame for all this and he shouldn’t get to run off in to the sunset and be happy. Of course you felt suicidal, he has f up your life and plans.

He needs to fire her from employment, how dare he keep her on, why did you fall for that? She fucked around and found out, she can lose her job for it.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 26/06/2024 18:27

coldcallerbaiter · 26/06/2024 18:21

Make him stay, why should ow get him. If he is miserable, who cares.
Funny how the boss or someone with his own business is always an attraction to these women. He is the one to blame for all this and he shouldn’t get to run off in to the sunset and be happy. Of course you felt suicidal, he has f up your life and plans.

He needs to fire her from employment, how dare he keep her on, why did you fall for that? She fucked around and found out, she can lose her job for it.

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Wouldn't that be OP cutting off her nose to spite her face? So she stops him from leaving and makes him stay. How will she feel about that? Knowing that a partner for whom there was mutual love is now there under strict duress. That he is not in love with her anymore, that he has been having an affair and has had a roving eye before.

That is a recipe for disaster and if OP was depressed before, that will be a certainty once the reality of keeping her husband 'prisoner' and knowing that he loves someone else, comes home to roost.

I think OP deserves - and could have - much better than that.

NonPlayerCharacter · 26/06/2024 18:28

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 26/06/2024 18:27

Wouldn't that be OP cutting off her nose to spite her face? So she stops him from leaving and makes him stay. How will she feel about that? Knowing that a partner for whom there was mutual love is now there under strict duress. That he is not in love with her anymore, that he has been having an affair and has had a roving eye before.

That is a recipe for disaster and if OP was depressed before, that will be a certainty once the reality of keeping her husband 'prisoner' and knowing that he loves someone else, comes home to roost.

I think OP deserves - and could have - much better than that.

I wouldn't bother. I don't think it's just cold callers...

Sunshinethrumywindow · 26/06/2024 18:34

I think you need to accept what is going on here op. Without that I fear you're together for the wrong reasons and it won't end well. Please don't do anything silly. I know you love him and this must be so painful for you. But you can't make someone love you.

RadioWhatsNew · 26/06/2024 18:37

OP I'm so sorry your husband has hurt you like this and the life you built is falling apart. What a shock this must have been for you.

I can't condone cheating at all, and I'm sorry this is going to sound harsh but your husband isn't staying because he loves you. He's staying because he's terrified that you will kill yourself like you've threatened to do twice.

You say you now have an active sexlife however in your OP you say this was at your instigation as you wanted him to prove he was back in the marriage but honestly my feeling is that he's doing it because he doesn't feel he can say no to you or say what he wants because of the potential for you to threaten suicide again so he's going along with whatever you want to placate you.

You may stay together for the rest of your lives but you're never going to truly know if it's because he's fallen back in love with you or because he is terrified of what you will do if he leaves.

You talk a lot about your wants and needs and what your believe his to be but have you ever asked him? It all seems very you centric and about your lifestyle and status as a couple, no where have you said that you love him in your OP.

Normally I'm fully on the side of the party that has been cheated on, but for the first time I feel sorry for your DH who has seemingly been emotionally blackmailed into remaining in this relationship regardless if he wants to or not.

StopInhalingRevels · 26/06/2024 18:46

All those on here giving you a hard time, especially with regard to you having contemplated suicide, clearly have no experience of having been through what you have been through.

What utter bollocks. Sorry but the reason a lot of posters aren't tolerating the justification for this abusive behaviour is because they know exactly what she's going through.

Her behaviour is disgraceful. As are her motives for manipulating and trapping another person. To carry on her funded "lady wot lunches" facade.

This is not the "normal" way to behave FFS.

CharlotteLightandDark · 26/06/2024 19:02

I’m not sure you can legally fire someone because you stuck your dick in them and your wife found out about it.
She could sue the arse off him for that.

GreyCarpet · 26/06/2024 19:05

CharlotteLightandDark · 26/06/2024 19:02

I’m not sure you can legally fire someone because you stuck your dick in them and your wife found out about it.
She could sue the arse off him for that.

Quite.

She could probably sue for constructive dismissal too if he refused to engage/interact with her at work.

How exactly would that work?

Janiie · 26/06/2024 19:12

CharlotteLightandDark · 26/06/2024 19:02

I’m not sure you can legally fire someone because you stuck your dick in them and your wife found out about it.
She could sue the arse off him for that.

Maybe she'll just finally show some class and fuck off voluntarily? I'm sure there'll be a boss at her next place she could set her sights on.

BigAnne · 26/06/2024 19:12

RadioWhatsNew · 26/06/2024 18:37

OP I'm so sorry your husband has hurt you like this and the life you built is falling apart. What a shock this must have been for you.

I can't condone cheating at all, and I'm sorry this is going to sound harsh but your husband isn't staying because he loves you. He's staying because he's terrified that you will kill yourself like you've threatened to do twice.

You say you now have an active sexlife however in your OP you say this was at your instigation as you wanted him to prove he was back in the marriage but honestly my feeling is that he's doing it because he doesn't feel he can say no to you or say what he wants because of the potential for you to threaten suicide again so he's going along with whatever you want to placate you.

You may stay together for the rest of your lives but you're never going to truly know if it's because he's fallen back in love with you or because he is terrified of what you will do if he leaves.

You talk a lot about your wants and needs and what your believe his to be but have you ever asked him? It all seems very you centric and about your lifestyle and status as a couple, no where have you said that you love him in your OP.

Normally I'm fully on the side of the party that has been cheated on, but for the first time I feel sorry for your DH who has seemingly been emotionally blackmailed into remaining in this relationship regardless if he wants to or not.

Edited

I don't think she cares if her husband loves her. As long as he stays and keeps providing is what she cares about.

PinkLemonade555 · 26/06/2024 19:16

Janiie · 26/06/2024 19:12

Maybe she'll just finally show some class and fuck off voluntarily? I'm sure there'll be a boss at her next place she could set her sights on.

Edited

The classic blame the OW trope.

Janiie · 26/06/2024 19:22

PinkLemonade555 · 26/06/2024 19:16

The classic blame the OW trope.

I blame both. But if I was shagging the boss and he decided to stay with his wife I think I'd sling my hook and set my sights elsewhere. Unless the ow has no self esteem or pride of course which is likely

Nomad14 · 26/06/2024 19:23

Oh no OP. This is awful! Speaking as someone who's (ex)husband cheated and finding myself with a decision to make with a young child and no family in the country, with a history of depression and suicidal thoughts, I have to say what you are doing is terribly controlling and abusive. You are basically holding him at gunpoint forcing him to stay and act happy.

What he did was clearly wrong and you must have felt utter despair, but you can't do this! To answer your question, no, it will not work.

Salemforcuddles · 26/06/2024 19:24

I would take some time out of this relationship op, it really doesn't sound healthy

Sort your head out, find out what you what really want in life, it can't just be about having a cosy retirement

Your husband doesn't seem happy in the relationship, don't you want more out of life?

theleafandnotthetree · 26/06/2024 19:27

Unusually for these kind of scenarios, it's the OW and the husband who sound to have the more genuine and grounded love match and the OP - with her very own words - paints herself in a poor light as shallow, manipulative and obsessed with status and 'winning'. It is a clear demonstration that sometimes, these scenarios are far more complex than is allowed for by excessively black and white thinking.

PinkLemonade555 · 26/06/2024 19:28

Janiie · 26/06/2024 19:22

I blame both. But if I was shagging the boss and he decided to stay with his wife I think I'd sling my hook and set my sights elsewhere. Unless the ow has no self esteem or pride of course which is likely

He didn’t though really he was forced into it. If anyone has low self esteem here it’s the OP.

why should the OW lose her job on top? I would venture a guess it hasn’t really ended between them either. He’s just being forced to play happy families with OP because she threatened to kill herself. Tragic.

NonPlayerCharacter · 26/06/2024 19:31

Janiie · 26/06/2024 19:12

Maybe she'll just finally show some class and fuck off voluntarily? I'm sure there'll be a boss at her next place she could set her sights on.

Edited

She's not the predator just because she's a woman. By both their accounts, he instigated it despite being the boss. If anyone preyed on anyone, he set his sights on her.

marshmallowfinder · 26/06/2024 19:33

Has the OP gone?

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