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Anyone else trying not not to contact a guy part 2??

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YouAreAllMySymmetry · 20/06/2024 21:51

Hey loves @namechangeforthis5 @Frith2013 and whoever else I can think of.

How we all doing?

I'm having a weird night; I've been drinking and guess what skill it reminded me I've developed: crying out of one eye. It means that people generally don't notice, in the car, or lying on the couch or in bed.

That's sad, isn't it.

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LizaMinnellisFurCoat · 07/08/2024 10:36

Thought I'd give an update which might help some of you who are struggling. After a full month of no contact at all, he started to contact me. I didn’t respond unless it was work related. I only initiated contact with him if it was for business purposes and only through work email or teams and I ignored personal questions, kept it completely profesional. I ignored his attempts to get my attention and didn't engage unless I had to for work. It's now three months on and we do speak at work and occasionally text, but it is now entirely platonic. There's no flirty undertone, I don't keep checking to see if he's texted or replied and there’s no excitement when he texts or disappointment when he doesn’t reply. It's like it is for any other friend and as though we'd never crossed those lines. We'll never be proper friends, because I know I can’t trust him, but we are friendly on a more superficial level and I'm careful to share anything personal. I'm happy with that. I've spent these last three months doing things that really make me feel good and I'm genuinely happy and don't need or even want his attention. It feels healthy.

Frith2013 · 07/08/2024 11:20

That's good, @LizaMinnellisFurCoat

For the past few days, I've been filled with an absolute rage. It's been over 3 weeks since I saw him in person or had any contact at all.

Suddenly, his poor treatment of me is very clear. Inviting me round 6 days after my ex moved out. My ex is one of this man's best friends.

Promising the earth at the beginning with plenty of communication.

After a few weeks ignoring my messages and not contacting me for over a week at a time then texting as though everything was fine. Never planning anything in advance but always texting that I should go round immediately as though I have no job/children/life.

Ignoring me if I questioned any of his behaviour by going off on a tangent about people who had "wronged" him or some other tale of woe.

Blocking me then saying he does that to lots of people while he's staying at his friend's because they all know his phone pass word.

Saying he had no data though I could see him going online and posting on FB.

The one time I tried to explain how I felt about everything, sneering and repeatedly calling me crazy.

Involving someone else by asking them a massive favour. Well, bigger than a favour, using them.

Climbing on me while I was asleep so he could have sex without a condom. (I wasn't asleep enough for that to happen).

The absolute shittest sex I've ever had in my life. And I'm really not fussy!

Kat888 · 07/08/2024 12:19

Omg please never let this creep of a man near you again.. look up Intermittent Reinforcement as this is what this man is doing to you. ( I've no idea why it's gone bold)

HappyLittleNarwhal · 07/08/2024 16:00

You know what, I'm ok, we're doing ok, just the odd message here and there, really very much back on 'work friend' footing.

But, I just made the mistake of reading our old messages; months and months and years actually, of hundreds of messages, and they're just so fun and full of laughter and banter, and maybe a little flirty but not really as much as I thought.

And fuck me, but I really miss it.

God damn. Shouldn't have read it.

noitsachicken · 07/08/2024 16:54

That’s what I keep doing @HappyLittleNarwhal 🙄
so annoying.
Sounds like I’m in a similar situation but I’m very much still in the middle of it. I haven’t text him since Monday (I know it’s only Wed!) and keep having to stop myself.
Ugh I miss him. It’s so stupid.

HappyLittleNarwhal · 07/08/2024 18:00

Yeah. I guess it's not the done thing to say 'I miss the fuck out of you and our friendship' is it.

lovelymango · 08/08/2024 00:05

It’s difficult over here too. I miss the whole thing. Well not the angsting over why he’s stop texting me in the middle of a conversation but everything else.

noitsachicken · 08/08/2024 07:47

Mine is away at the moment, and I’m telling myself that’s why messages/chat are less than usual. And when he gets back it will
be ‘normal’ again.
But I also know that the whole thing needs to stop/change as it’s not healthy.

sausawyee · 08/08/2024 09:23

noitsachicken · 08/08/2024 07:47

Mine is away at the moment, and I’m telling myself that’s why messages/chat are less than usual. And when he gets back it will
be ‘normal’ again.
But I also know that the whole thing needs to stop/change as it’s not healthy.

Who is he away with?

noitsachicken · 08/08/2024 20:08

@sausawyee his kids.
I just need to get over it/him

lovelymango · 09/08/2024 10:50

How’s it going? Still not message mine and still want to all the time

HappyLittleNarwhal · 09/08/2024 11:34

I'm ok, how's you?

I don't have that much urge to message really. I still just miss the bit of my life he was a big part of though. It was a really exciting phase and I don't think I'll ever really feel that way again.

lovelymango · 09/08/2024 11:59

That’s good I am pleased. Yeah I’m good thanks. It’s more to do with what you said really. Don’t think I’ll ever get this again and I certainly don’t want it but every now and then I think it would be nice to have that flirtation. In the main I know it’s just a passing thought so I keep it in a box in the corner of my mind and each day passes. Until he messaged me the other week I didn’t feel like this.

HappyLittleNarwhal · 09/08/2024 12:19

Yeah that's it really. Contain it until the urge passes.

It's different a bit too though, that makes it sound trivial, and it wasn't trivial to me.

Everything that happened in that period of my life was very very significant to me, and I'll be a different person forever.

What that means in reality I don't think I know yet; my marriage isn't as strong because I've changed so much, for starters. Our interests are so different now, and he is very dismissive of mine, which fucking rankles.

I wouldn't be able to survive another period of life like it, but fuck, if it wasn't exhilarating and invigorating and transformative and terrifying and fun.

Now it's just...flat. Sitting at my kitchen table alone. No plans for the weekend. Nobody to make a plan with. Life is just...passing.

noitsachicken · 09/08/2024 16:06

So much of this is resonating with me.

He’s back from his holiday today, and I’m feeling so anxious about whether he will message me. I’m trying to not message him (it’s his ‘turn’) and I do need to talk to him about some stuff. I hate the way this makes me feel, but I also know the feeling I get when hear from him and his hard to forget that.

Frith2013 · 09/08/2024 16:36

I need to take a bag of stuff back to mine. I know when he will be out. I will do it then and there's a new architectural salvage yard that I've saved to give myself a mission afterwards.

I'm not even sure now if it has been no contact tomorrow for 3 weeks or 4.

I do feel a bit tearful about going to his house but knowing I won't go inside and will never go in again. Going there was a complete break from my normal life and the only time for 12 years that a man has cooked for me, made me a cup of tea or that I've stayed overnight.

HappyLittleNarwhal · 09/08/2024 16:56

I get that Frith. He gave you those things, but he took more than he gave. Good people don't do that.

Thewookiemustgo · 09/08/2024 17:27

@HappyLittleNarwhal I take it this was an affair? Apologies if I’ve read it wrong.
No judgment here, but do you know about the psychology of affair relationships v long term relationships?
You can’t compare the two. Affairs are a white knuckle ride, simply because that is pretty much what they are. Look at your choice of adjectives, you could describe a rollercoaster with them: ‘exhilarating, invigorating, transformative and fun”
Real life out-in-the-open relationships have an element of this on the early stages, but after that it calms down and either fizzles out or grows into something more. Many affairs last and keep these feelings alive simply because it’s forbidden, a secret, a risk, there are obstacles between you and time together is shorter and stolen. You only have to look your best, and show up for a date. No kids, no bins to put out, no nagging about who last mowed the lawn etc. etc. Because of the abnormal situation, it stays stuck in the ‘new relationship’ buzz stage, which normal relationships never do.
The statistics on how many affair relationships survive reality are dire. The ones that do are usually and more often the few where the affair partners wanted out of their marriages in the first place and went actively in looking for a new partner.
Women tend to invest far more emotionally into affairs than men, and get high by reliving the heady emotions. Men tend to compartmentalise and move on better.
Both partners in affairs can mistake the situational highs for feelings they think are generated by the affair partner themselves.They believe they’ll never feel like this again and that the person they had the affair with is their soulmate and was responsible for all the heady feelings. Usually if they leave their main partner and can now spend all the time they want together, not on dates, not projecting their best selves but their real selves now, things can start to disintegrate. Seeing that person in real life when it’s allowed and not a secret, and you still have to schlep round Sainsburys like everybody else, no risk, no secrets, no “I miss you …. if only ….” texts any more, start to erode the highs caused by the affair situation (which has now gone) and you see each other warts and all.
If the situation ends unrequited or one partner is forced to make a choice, it can take the other partner a long time to stop mooning about it all, the come-down after the dopamine highs is brutal. To compare a long term marriage to running around in an affair means the marriage will always look dull in comparison.
Maybe your marriage looks more stale now because you have been putting more energy and thought into somebody else? If you had invested that much thought, effort and energy into your marriage, where might it be now? You say you are married but you are feeling flat, alone at your table with nobody to make plans with? If I’ve read this right you do have somebody to make plans with, not you’re choosing not to.
If your marriage is truly dead then do yourself and your husband a favour and talk about how to separate amicably and start again. If you want the huge buzz and highs and exhilaration you had before, have another affair, it probably won’t matter who with, because you are talking more about missing the feelings around the situation you were in on your post than the guy himself. It doesn’t surprise me one bit. This is the main reason most affair relationships have a dire prognosis. Adrenaline and dopamine caused by breaking the rules and sneaking around, getting pursued and flattered by somebody else is probably what you’re missing, not the guy himself.
Throw yourself into your marriage, or into planning a new life for yourself as a single person. Time is going by and you are stuck unhappily missing something which isn’t a particular guy, it’s the rush of being in an affair.
Look back on the fun you had not as the time when you met somebody you think is uniquely extraordinary as a period of time when you were addicted to dopamine and adrenaline. Fun, but never sustainable.
It would have changed into a ‘normal’ relationship and far less exciting if you’d been together anyway at some point. New relationship feelings/ affair feelings always have a shelf life. If the affair has ended abruptly you can end up mistakenly believing it would always have felt that way no matter what. It wouldn’t. You’re missing something that would have changed eventually anyway.
Affairs cause tremendous pain to all involved and are rarely worth it unless you know you want out of your marriage and that was the reason you had an affair.
Don’t long for something that is hurting you and would hurt others too. Most things are never always what we crack them up to be, our heads and hearts can do a stellar job of convincing us otherwise.
Start planning for yourself, make plans for you and your husband or just you, do an honest inventory of what you want for your future, where you are now and what makes you happy/ sad, and use the list to plan how to achieve the things you want for yourself. Don’t plan just for weekends, use this point in your life to plan a new future for you. There’s fun and risk and excitement in that, too. No guy is worth you wasting another second of your precious life stuck in “if only”.

HappyLittleNarwhal · 09/08/2024 17:57

I'm the OP with a new name Wookie :)

HappyLittleNarwhal · 09/08/2024 17:59

But also worth explaining maybe; not an affair, just someone who happened to be around at a really intense pivotal time of my life, who was having the same experiences I was, which bonded us at the time.

I just miss the whole period and he was part of it.

sausawyee · 10/08/2024 00:29

@Thewookiemustgo yet another an excellent post. You lay it out accurately and realistically as opposed to the fantasy in people's heads.

Frith2013 · 10/08/2024 09:40

I've taken the bag of stuff back. He was out.

I'm in a new greasy spoon cafe nearby now. 2 builders behind me were discussing another man. "He constantly asks her for pictures. She needs to leave him, he's an insecure freak".

The ladies in the kitchen had a separate conversation. "She texted him that he could leave his children at his mother's for an extra hour and go to the gym and that would make him feel better. Do you know what he text back? That she's trying to control him and it's over!"

It's not just us!

Thewookiemustgo · 10/08/2024 10:35

@sausawyee sadly I’ve lived the other side of this after the affair is over.
My husband had an affair six years ago and married affair partner guys most certainly aren’t noble, broken hearted, dutiful husbands who can’t leave to be with their affair partner because of the kids/ because my crazy wife might kill herself etc, pining away for what was/ what might have been. They rarely want to leave their wife for their affair partner. They do what they actually want to do, no matter what they say to the affair partner. Believe me.
At the end of affairs after discovery the ending is usually messy and what their affair partner doesn’t know is that they’ve switched roles with the wife. They are now the obstacle and the wife is their “other woman”. The husband is now usually doing all he can for his wife and marriage at home out of sight of the affair partner, and daren’t tell her that, whilst lying to the affair partner and making bullshit excuses as to why they can’t leave yet and working out how to dump the affair partner without hurting them too much, but mainly to avoid risking an angry affair partner contacting the wife for revenge and possibly spilling all the beans and adding a few more for good measure. I’ve done a ton of work on this and on myself psychologically, a bloody ton.
The worst lies are the ones we tell ourselves, especially when we want to do something we know we shouldn’t, or when we don’t want the truth to be true because the truth hurts.
I hope everyone here gets honest with themselves and looks objectively at what these guys DO. Not what they say, not hang onto and analyse forensically every word they text to try to attach another meaning to it, look at what they do and how often they want to do it. This isn’t just men, it’s women too.
People always do what they want to do in the end. If they’re not with you they don’t want to be, or if they’re not spending time with you they don’t want to.
They know your attachment to them and it fans their egos sky-high. They can play with this and use it to manipulate you which gives them a sense of power and guess what? That also sends their ego sky high.
Affairs largely happen because of attraction and the ego boosting it causes and they feel waaayyy more exciting than normal relationships because they are naughty and they make you feel attractive, desired, flattered and ‘chosen’ above somebody else.
Thing is, if you have to be kept a secret, if what’s going on with the wife or family always means you get put second, if there’s always an excuse as to why you need to be kept secret and that day in the future when ‘the time is right’ for him to leave her for you never seems to come, where actually are you in his life?
You’re the naughty ego boosting secret and you’re in the one-down position. He has the power. He says when he can see you/ text you, he has the control. And believe me he knows it, it’s part of the high for him, having another woman fawning over him and telling him how fabulous he is, he knows all he had to do is say what you want to hear and you’ll believe the excuses, feel sorry for this poor trapped man in his allegedly crap marriage, to the point that he might be able to get you to wait for years.
There’s “the script” for when husbands cheat. They all follow the same script. I’ve never seen the script for married husbands in affairs, because affair partners want to think it’s unique and special, a “love of my life” story. But it rarely is. They have a script for that too, believe me.
It’s old, hackneyed and clichéd and it’s been around for hundreds of years, but the saying “actions speak louder than words” is only hackneyed and clichéd for a reason: it’s true.

lovelymango · 10/08/2024 12:10

@Thewookiemustgo absolutely spot on. For me I never looked for it he started it and his honesty was his own demise as the scales fell from my eyes before anything even happened and thank god it didn’t.

Thewookiemustgo · 10/08/2024 13:34

Forgot to add that I have lied to myself in the worst way before now. I had to get brutally honest with myself about my own husband, we’re still together but there’s no longer any bullshit as to my reasons why I stayed.
I could be accused of swallowing every word he said. And when I first found out yep, you guessed it, I’ll be honest with you, I absolutely did. I bought every word of the sobbing and begging and blah blah script because

  1. I was blindsided, had always completely trusted him for 30 years and was firmly in the “not my Nigel” camp.
  2. I still saw him as the man I always thought he was, ie my perfect husband, but he’d just had a midlife crisis fling and made a terrible mistake.
  3. I just wanted what he said to be true. He wasn’t deeply flawed, he wasn’t “that guy”. But back then he was. I heard what I wanted to hear and believed what I needed to believe because I was traumatised and completely broken. He was the King of minimising to save his ass and God forgive me I was the stupid Queen of minimising it all because I didn’t want to lose him or break up our happy family and devastate the kids. Fear drove all my thinking. I refused to be honest with myself, the truth was too horrendous to look at. He was still lying and feeling far more sorry for himself than me at the time the shit hit the fan (there’s nobody more deluded, selfish and entitled than a person having an affair) because his bullshit justifications for doing it evaporated instantly once I found out. Our marriage wasn’t dead, I did love him deeply and he wasn’t unhappy at home (his reasons to her for being unfaithful to me) and he knew it. He couldn’t face the truth about himself because wanting to stay with me because he loved me blew all his bullshit up in his face and it left him exactly what he was, not a poor unhappy trapped man with a wife who didn’t care, but a lousy cheating shit who’d taken his wife and kids for granted and acted like a Billy Big Bollocks fool, letting his ego run his life for him. I knew nothing about how affairs work, the psychology and internal crap that is necessary for otherwise good people to end up doing it at all. I had had no idea how my beliefs about him and trust had actually enabled him to get on a train to commute to work, keep all affair stuff contained in that city, come home again on the train like nothing was going on and have date nights and sex with me and family time holidays etc absolutely as normal. Astonishing how each life was in a compartment and could only function as long as they stayed completely apart. The big kick up his arse happened when the real truth came out (that was fun. Not.) four weeks later and he knew he’d lost me. He finally dumped his pride and desperate preservation of his self-image and looked himself properly in the mirror. He didn’t like what he saw. Guilt was instantly replaced by remorse. He changed from it being all about poor wickle naughty step hard done by him and put it squarely where it should have been all along, all about the absolute shit he’d been to devastated traumatised Wookie. He finally owned it, took full responsibility and has fine everything ever since to prove that. That’s how he got me back. Wanting to be back and being oh so sorry wasn’t enough. He had to prove it. Wookie dumped her fear of losing him, dumped her rose tinted glasses and we fought for what was real between the two of us. Did we want a fake ‘perfect’ marriage, or a real relationship, based on full honesty, in real life in the real, ugly, scary and risky but beautiful world we live in? He’s my imperfect, flawed but deeply human husband, not the perfect, superhuman alpha husband I smugly thought I’d got. And I’m flawed, imperfect Wookie, not the perfect wife/ mother/ woman I smugly prided myself as. I’m a bloody good wife, mother and woman, however, and he’s a bloody good man, whatever anyone on MN wants to say about it. It’s not what people get wrong, we all get stuff wrong (and boy, what he got wrong I can’t forgive) but your real character is what you do about it, how you own it and accept full responsibility for it and put things right, even at your own personal expense. We cling to our lies to avoid the pain of our own personal expense. Birth and growth is beautiful but it always hurts. The pain is worth it. Personal growth hurts but it’s worth it for the better humans we become. I will never, ever forgive it or “get over it”, you don’t “get over it” whatever people who have stayed with unfaithful husbands say. It’s like when somebody dies, you don’t get over it or never feel sorrow when you think about it, the loss changed your life. However, you grieve it and you have to accept that it happened. Some people do that but it’s a deal breaker and I respect that too. That bit I can do, I accept it happened and it’s party of the history of our marriage now, but it doesn’t define me or him or us. The big eye opener and take away for me was the damage done by lying. Not the obvious damage done by lies told to me, that’s a given. It’s the lying to ourselves to avoid something painful or excuse our wrongdoing that keeps us stuck and is far, far worse. Dare to be honest. There’s a great life for all of you on the other side of that.
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