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Conflict between husband and son

79 replies

MHnursingmama · 14/06/2024 11:58

So, I have a son from a previous marriage and a younger son, aged 5 with my current husband. In recent years there have been tensions between my older son and husband. My son, who is now 18 refuses to keep his room clean, pick up after himself in general and can be disrespectful towards my husband. There is constant arguments over the same things, with the general untidiness of my son and its really starting to get me Down. My son feels like my husband is always having a to and doesn't like him and is nitpicking over little things. I don't know what to do and I feel stuck in the middle.
For context my son doesn't smoke, take drugs and hardly drinks. He Is at college and working and has a lovely girlfriend.
Any advice? I know it might sound like q trivial issue but it's really starting to wear me down. Tia x

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aerkfjherf · 14/06/2024 11:59

tell your husband to back off, and you give your son a big hug x

Girlmom35 · 14/06/2024 12:08

Your husband shouldn't be acting like the primary parent. He's not. You are.
You have a normal teenage son who talks back and doesn't like to clean up after himself. I'm not saying let the boy live in a junkyard, but cut him some slack.

He's your son. You should be the one parenting him, and your husband needs te respect that. Honestly, if your husband wasn't overstepping so much, maybe your son wouldn't feel the need to be this disrespectful to him.

AgreeableDragon · 14/06/2024 12:09

Absolutely agree with @aerkfjherf .
I don't know an 18 year old who picks up after themselves or keeps their room today.
Your husband had unrealistic expectations.

Your son sounds like a great lad- support him!

Twins3007 · 14/06/2024 12:17

How can you advise OP to be the only one parenting her son without knowing the set up. She may have been with her husband most of the boys life, he may have worked hard to provide a nice home, holidays etc but has no right to ask his stepson to clean his room etc , really
Obviously if it was threatening behaviour towards step son then no of course that would be different but just nagging to respect their family home home I don't see the problem

CountFucula · 14/06/2024 12:20

Another step dad being unreasonably hard on a step son. This comes up all the time and it’s such a familiar story. He doesn’t love your older child and isn’t cutting him any slack, he will when HIS son is the same age. Most adults can not only see this but work towards mitigating it and constructing a loving and supportive relationship with their step child. Your DH isn’t doing this. You are the middle of two children here - your adult DH is one of them.

sandyhappypeople · 14/06/2024 12:55

I see both sides, if your 18 year old son is purposely leaving crap all over the place and expecting you and your husband (otherwise known as the magic cleaning fairy) to pick it all up, then to be honest I can see why it is causing problems, if he's then being disrespectful when asked to do the bare minimum, (as in just cleaning away after himself so not leaving a mess for other people to deal with) then your husband isn't wrong.

I've got an 18 year old in the family who lives with his mum and dad and he does absolutely nothing around the house, he will purposely leave things for others to do, even when asked 3 or 4 times because he "knows they'll take care of it eventually", he's actually a lovely lad in all other ways, very much like you describe but he definitely sees any sort of domestic chores as not his responsibility or his problem, even when it's a mess he's made, if he's not yelled at or nagged he literally contributes nothing, I find it incredibly disrespectful.

I think the step dad thing is a bit of a red herring sometimes, if you think that these problems would still be the same if he was his actual dad, then it's needs removing from the equation, I sometimes think in situations like this, one parent feels like they have to lay down the law because they feel the other is too soft and makes excuses all the time, or they are being taken advantage of, and the child then plays on it saying 'he's picking on me etc', the soft parent thinks the other parent is too harsh, so bites back at that parent.. the child then gets what they want which is to do absolutely fuck all and get away with it.

At the end of the day your son is now an adult and should be contributing in the household.. his room is his domain, so IMO that should be off limits, but everything else in the house is his responsibility to not leave it messy for others to clean up, it's basic human manners, and he certainly shouldn't be disrespecting your husband, it's like he's still in child mode expecting his parents to do everything for him.

StikItToTheMan · 14/06/2024 13:02

I don't know an 18 year old who picks up after themselves or keeps their room today. Your husband had unrealistic expectations

Some posts really do shine a light on why so many men are useless and see domestic chores as Not Their Problem.

I expect my seven year old son to pick up after himself (with support and to an extent). I ABSOLUTELY expect my 14 and 16 year old sons to pick up their own crap around the house and keep their rooms at least vaguely respectable. They both have regular chores because they're fully-functioning people who also live here and I might be a parent but I'm not their bloody maid.

ImCamembertTheBigCheese · 14/06/2024 13:05

Maybe your husband wants your son to move out? If he does not pick up after himself, I doubt he always used to and doesn't now.

Farthingale · 14/06/2024 13:14

CountFucula · 14/06/2024 12:20

Another step dad being unreasonably hard on a step son. This comes up all the time and it’s such a familiar story. He doesn’t love your older child and isn’t cutting him any slack, he will when HIS son is the same age. Most adults can not only see this but work towards mitigating it and constructing a loving and supportive relationship with their step child. Your DH isn’t doing this. You are the middle of two children here - your adult DH is one of them.

I agree

altmember · 14/06/2024 13:17

Ds's room is his private place (while you let him live there, he is an adult now and responsible for himself, so you could treat him more as a lodger than a child). So if he wants to live in a tip of a room that's on him. But he needs to be tidy in the rest of the house - at the very least clean up after himself, maybe even contribute with the housework?

Parenting needs to be a united front, so you and your partner both need to be in agreement over what to pull your son up on, and then do it together, equally. Does your son disrespect you in the same why as his step dad?

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 14/06/2024 13:23

Is the mess in ds room? Or does he make mess all over the house?

TBH, as long as it’s not a health hazard I leave their room to them. I make them bring pots down, though.

But non of us can make a judgement here. Your husband could be being a dick to son. Or you could be one of these parents who can’t accept your son’s behaviour is poor.

If I were in your son’s position I probably wouldn’t like my mums husband moaning at me. But if I was in your husbands position I wouldn’t be happy with an 18 year old who can’t pick up after themselves and disrespect me.

MHnursingmama · 14/06/2024 16:58

For context I've been with my husband since the 18 year old was 6. My son has adhd which does make things harder for him but he refuses to take the medication which does help him x

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AnonKat · 14/06/2024 17:02

No wonder women accept useless men. He is an adult and should be treated like one..if the husband left a mess, everyone would be ltb. He needs to learn now or some poor women will be dealing with his laziness for years to come!

JanefromLondon1 · 14/06/2024 17:07

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sandyhappypeople · 14/06/2024 17:10

MHnursingmama · 14/06/2024 16:58

For context I've been with my husband since the 18 year old was 6. My son has adhd which does make things harder for him but he refuses to take the medication which does help him x

Why does he refuse to take the medication?

aerkfjherf · 14/06/2024 17:12

MHnursingmama · 14/06/2024 16:58

For context I've been with my husband since the 18 year old was 6. My son has adhd which does make things harder for him but he refuses to take the medication which does help him x

to medicate or not is entirely his choice, no one should be pressurising him one way or the other

TheTartfulLodger · 14/06/2024 17:17

So the son refuses to pick up after himself, refuses to take his medication and is disrespectful, but it's all the husbands fault. MN at its finest again.

MHnursingmama · 14/06/2024 17:37

Hi everyone,
I posted this to try and gain some support and possibly a resolution to my problem as I'm exhausted by it and I don't know what to do.
Please don't assume that I have low standards for my son, I don't. I just don't have the same standards that my husband does and I think that in the wider scheme of things a messy room isn't that important. My husband and I are different characters, I don't sweat the small stuff and he does. I do tell him off if he speaks to my husband in a disrespectful manner and my son doesn't often speak to me that way. My son says he feels that no matter what he does my husband will find something to have a go at him for
Please use this space for constructive opinions and ideas. It isn't a place to attack people that are looking for advice or each other.

Thankyou x

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MHnursingmama · 14/06/2024 17:38

sandyhappypeople · 14/06/2024 17:10

Why does he refuse to take the medication?

He says he doesn't like how it makes him feel, we have tried many different types x

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MHnursingmama · 14/06/2024 17:40

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Hitchcockshandkerchief · 14/06/2024 17:42

TheTartfulLodger · 14/06/2024 17:17

So the son refuses to pick up after himself, refuses to take his medication and is disrespectful, but it's all the husbands fault. MN at its finest again.

Yup. This son will be 20-something soon, will shack up with some poor woman, who then will come here on MN with 'my useless boyfriend doesn't do anything, leaves stuff everywhere, doesn't cook doesn't clean, etc'. And she'll get the obligatory LTBs et al.

So basically now he's not supposed to do anything, because he's a little baby at 18 and the Big Bad Bully Husband is hounding him. But in just a few years he's supposed to miraculously become Mrs Hinch all by himself, after living all his life like a pig.

'All teenagers are like that'. No. No they're not. If you didn't parent your kids when they're small and let them do whatever, then it's your own damn fault. No one will make a pigsty out of my home, that's not how my kids were raised. Their rooms are neat and clean.

ShouldhavebeencalledAppollo · 14/06/2024 17:55

MHnursingmama · 14/06/2024 17:40

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Edited

Not sure why you wrote a posted then edited it to remove it.

Your son is leaving communal places a mess. Who is he expecting to clean it up?

AnonAnonmystery · 14/06/2024 18:32

I agree with @aerkfjherf that your husband needs to back off. His approach isn’t working. When my ExH was like this with my older DD, I removed her from his care ( we have shared care arrangement) to cool the situation down. I think your Dhs parenting style is “tough love” as he put it - it doesn’t work with all kids and I think the toughness can crush some children to make them obedient.
I can see you are under so much pressure as I am sure you are walking on eggshells waiting for the next confrontation. It isn’t good for your son and it isn’t good for your marriage either.
Is there any way you can take the heat out of the situation and get some breathing space for you? Is your Ds in contact with his dad and if so can he stay there for short intervals. I am not saying get rid of your son, he is your son and you want the best for him. sending you support x btw was older DD very messy but I’ve left her to it for now till she finishes exams then will talk to her :(

TootGoesTheOwl · 14/06/2024 18:32

Hitchcockshandkerchief · 14/06/2024 17:42

Yup. This son will be 20-something soon, will shack up with some poor woman, who then will come here on MN with 'my useless boyfriend doesn't do anything, leaves stuff everywhere, doesn't cook doesn't clean, etc'. And she'll get the obligatory LTBs et al.

So basically now he's not supposed to do anything, because he's a little baby at 18 and the Big Bad Bully Husband is hounding him. But in just a few years he's supposed to miraculously become Mrs Hinch all by himself, after living all his life like a pig.

'All teenagers are like that'. No. No they're not. If you didn't parent your kids when they're small and let them do whatever, then it's your own damn fault. No one will make a pigsty out of my home, that's not how my kids were raised. Their rooms are neat and clean.

Pretty much all of this.
The husband really can't win can he? He either puts up and shuts up and lives with a dirty, disrespectful adult or he tries to sort the situation and gets grief from his wife for upsetting the disrespectful adult in the house.
I would be leaving them both to it if I were the husband.

MHnursingmama · 14/06/2024 18:59

Thankyou for understanding.
Yes I am under a lot of pressure at home and I also have a stressful job as a nurse dealing with people with complex mental health issues which means I just want to come home to a nice environment, which rarely happens. Unfortunately my sons bio father lives too far away from my sons college amd work so him going there isn't really an option x

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