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husband says he doesn't know if he loves me

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dontknowwhattodo1234567 · 03/06/2024 13:18

Hubby and I have been together for almost 20 years, married for half that time. We have 2 children, both teens. We've been through some real challenges during our relationship. We lost a child half way through a pregnancy, and another of our children has ongoing health issues that almost killed them as a baby. Since these 2 events, I've struggled with both depression and anxiety. I've been to therapy a couple of times but haven't found much relief from worries and feelings.
Over the years DH has always reassured me that he loves me and he's here for me. But we've often been distant and operating almost as individuals in the relationship. He works long hours, and often 7 days a week, particularly when he is working to tight schedules on his projects (he works in the film industry which is pretty intense). He's self employed and I am his employee as I support him with the administration/book keeping of his company. So I earn a part time salary from this. But my hours are very flexible, which allows me to prioritise the children and run the house, particularly when DH is absent because of work.
He started therapy for himself about 5 years ago, after struggling with the pressures of work and anger issues. The therapy has been super beneficial to him. He's more patient, resilient and its had a positive impact on how he has navigated his career and how he interacts with his children. He's talked more about our relationship and areas he can see that he has been detrimental to our connection, which he regrets, although there has been no actual change to his behaviour patterns yet to stop the cycle.
A month ago DH mentioned that he was having deep thoughts about our relationship and doubts that we could improve how things are. I asked for more clarification of this and he said he didn't want to discuss it yet because he hadn't got his thoughts in order. He's been working like crazy since then, 7 days a week, 12-14hr days, so I've not had a chance to talk to him anymore about it. But last night he was home by 8pm so I was able to finally bring it up.
He said that he's got doubts about his feelings for me. Says he's not sure if he loves me, but that he's sure that he's not out of love with me, if I'm making sense? He said that I've changed a lot from the young, carefree, fun girl I was when we first met and that he doesn't think we are compatible anymore. That we get on well from a parenting/friendship point of view but in terms of being in a relationship it just isn't working. He says he feels uncomfortable around me physically and doesn't want to be intimate with me because he feels awkward and that he has no instinct for how to get closer to me and regain that intimacy. He also said that he feels quite trapped by the current state of things, and that he feels if it goes on too long that he'll suddenly "push the button" which will result in him walking out on the family and disappearing. Kind of like an enoughs enough type situation and that he'll just sabotage everything that he has. Turn his back on his family, throw his job in and just shut down completely. I expressed my unease at this, we are entirely dependent on him and his career. Our entire relationship has been focused on prioritising and growing his career, something that he's always really pushed for. I left my own independent job years ago when we had children to facilitate this, and now I feel like the "button" is a threat. I expressed this to him, how it felt threatening, and he acknowledged my feelings, said he didn't intend for it to sound that way, but its how he's feeling right now.

He says as far as he can see, we have 3 choices. 1. we try to make a go of it, devote time to reconnecting, working as a real team, almost starting from scratch with rebuilding our relationship. 2. we coparent in the same house but are no longer in a relationship. We live together but have separate rooms and we live like that, as parents and friends and we reevaluate when the children have left home or 3. he leaves, finds himself somewhere nearby so he can still see the children on the weekends, but we fully break up.

He's giving me some time to think about what I want to do. I feel totally blindsided if I'm honest. I had no idea he was feeling so negatively about our relationship and his feelings for me. We've been through so much together, good and bad and I always thought that no matter what, we'd see things out together. I know I love him, but I also know our relationship needs work. But hearing him say he doesn't know if he loves me is heartbreaking and I'm not sure I can get past that.

I'm also totally reliant on him financially. I never thought that would be an issue, but now I can see that if we broke up, that could be a very real problem. My parents divorced when I was a teen and it threw my world upside down. We had to sell the home, and we had to make drastic financial changes. My dad disappeared (my mum left my dad), and he went to live abroad for several years. It was really tough in a challenging phase of adolescence. I don't want to put my own children through that.

I just don't know what to think, say, feel about it all. Can we save this marriage? Does it sound salvageable? His career has really jumped up in the last couple of years and he's been so much happier in that department that I'm shocked to hear him say he's close to throwing it all away. I'm back in therapy myself now because we can now afford for us both to go, but he says we're on different pages with it because he's been seeing his therapist for years and I'm only recently seeing someone again (it's been a decade since I last went). He says he's not sure he can wait for me to get to the stage that he is in therapy. But that just doesn't seem right to me? I didn't think that therapy was a sort of race?
Anyway, I've written way too much, but what do you all think? Can I salvage this? I honestly don't see how we can separate and keep things smooth for the kids, we can't afford to run 2 homes, the cost of living is just too much. Do I just accept that we coparent and leave it at that? Has anyone had a partner feel unsure of their feelings, and then decide that they do love their OH after all?

OP posts:
dontknowwhattodo1234567 · 03/06/2024 20:53

Dashel · 03/06/2024 20:32

I would hope for the best and go along happily on holidays and date nights but I would secretly be planning for the worst without telling him that’s what I was doing.

I think this is what I shall do. Other posters are right, if he pulls the rug I’m in a precarious position. Better to get some independence now. Im still planning on sneaking a look at his phone when I get a chance which saddens me as I’ve never had any doubt in him before. But I need to know the truth. Hopefully we can start to rebuild. Agreed he needs to share more in the house, and allow me time to find myself again. Hopefully this will all be for the best and we’ll be able to make things work. But if not, then at least I won’t be blindsided in the future.

OP posts:
fc123 · 03/06/2024 20:54

A lie is an assumption of power over another. A lie is an assault that attacks not only the dignity of the other person but also their physical and mental well-being. A lie steals power from the one deceived. It reduces their alternatives. It causes the betrayed person to act as they never would have acted had they known the truth. A liar deliberately feeds inaccurate information, and when there are children, the lies reverberate in their lives as well.

fc123 · 03/06/2024 20:55

So, do some snooping and hopefully there's nothing going on but keep that quote in mind. Get yourself set up for 'just in case'.

Nocturna · 03/06/2024 21:16

Hopefully he is genuine.

Personally I think it sounds like his head has been turned but either he hasn't quite made his mind up yet, or the OW has pulled the rug.

But if he is genuine, hopefully this will make you prioritise yourself and your independence so you are protected if needed.

I'd still check the phone for my own peace of mind. Good luck x

JeepJeepJeep · 03/06/2024 21:30

newstart1234 · 03/06/2024 20:27

Can't possibly say what it means. He may be genuine, he may not. I still think all the points you made in your op point towards affair. One thing I know is that affairs mess with your head - make you not understand your 'reality'. Who knows. As others have pointed out in practise, it doesn't really matter. Your relationship is on a precipice and he has all the power right now. So in practise the steps are the same - get an independent job, rediscover your hobbies/interets, insist he takes more parental load (even if he offloads it elsewhere somehow) and generally prep mentally for possibly a life without him. Scary but forewarned is forearmed.

This is good advice. **

GingerPirate · 03/06/2024 21:45

I just read the first OP again, properly.
This man turns my stomach.
I might need anger management.
OP, don't believe in fairytales, put yourself first.
This "nicety" your husband presented re your last post doesn't mean he's not playing entirely for himself. (OW, right time and that BS).
Sorry.

justasking111 · 03/06/2024 22:12

Mmm.. I'm very wary of too much therapy and your husband has had years of it. You can end up picking apart and overanalyzing the minutiae of daily life. This maybe a problem for @dontknowwhattodo1234567 .

Someone here covered it in a thread I read on here once, some of the replies were awful re the damage done. There's stuff you can read on the internet and books I daresay.

Just be aware that he may have been unconsciously nudged into this position.

"When therapy causes harm | BPS" https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/when-therapy-causes-harm

When therapy causes harm | BPS

Christian Jarrett on the ‘dark underbelly’ of psychology. Could the use of client feedback be the answer?

https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/when-therapy-causes-harm

ana7887 · 03/06/2024 22:41

justasking111 · 03/06/2024 22:12

Mmm.. I'm very wary of too much therapy and your husband has had years of it. You can end up picking apart and overanalyzing the minutiae of daily life. This maybe a problem for @dontknowwhattodo1234567 .

Someone here covered it in a thread I read on here once, some of the replies were awful re the damage done. There's stuff you can read on the internet and books I daresay.

Just be aware that he may have been unconsciously nudged into this position.

"When therapy causes harm | BPS" https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/when-therapy-causes-harm

I also agree with this. Somehow the thought entered his mind that he doesn't love you anymore or doesn't want to be with you. If he is going regularly to therapy and your marriage isn't perfect it would be mentioned at some point...

Temporaryname158 · 03/06/2024 22:45

I think as well as splashing the cash on trips to NY you need to explain to your husband you need to work outside the house and his business. Explain it as getting you girlish free spirit back (cringe!) so you can be like you were when younger. Of course this can then be totally self serving, a pension and employment not via him so you will be more secure.

tell him also it pays less than it actually does (if he asks, if he doesn’t don’t disclose it) and start saving money in a separate account in case he pulls the rug from under you.

if your children are teens you don’t need a term time job. You need to move into the world most are in where you work and take leave as you can to be with them but have financial independence.

greedisunappealing · 03/06/2024 22:47

He's probably seeing someone else and planting the story now so he can pretend it just ended and hide his cheating.

Either way, he's gearing up to dump you at a time convenient to him. If no better offers materialise, he might stay.

Get back to independent work quickly and get legal advice. Once you've protected your future is the time to consider if a man who'd speak to the mother of his children like that is even worth bothering about.

Noseybookworm · 03/06/2024 23:00

dontknowwhattodo1234567 · 03/06/2024 18:31

I don’t think I have it in me to handle this. It’s all too big. The implications are terrifying. I’m not ignoring what has been said, I just don’t have it in me to address it head on for now. I’ll do option 1 and see where it takes me. My eyes are certainly more open to aspects I hadn’t even considered. I guess it’s the “he wouldn’t do that to me” mentality. But I can see that that’s probably not true. I just can’t face it right now. I’m going to have a look through his phone though when I get the chance. Never done it before, or felt the need to. But that’ll give me a good idea of where I stand. I’m not fighting for a cheater.

Sadly, there are many many women who think 'he'd never do that to me' ☹️ I think it's likely that there's another woman, he's either having an affair already or he wants to. Be careful and do some snooping OP, he's probably not been that good at covering his tracks. Start thinking about how to safeguard yourself and your children financially in the future. And start thinking about getting some legal advice.

plasticbanana98 · 03/06/2024 23:01

dontknowwhattodo1234567 · 03/06/2024 20:05

Well he’s come home today full of excited talk about taking me to New York in the autumn. Has looked up flights and accommodation and wanted to know what I thought before he booked it. He’s also taking me out to dinner next weekend and has contacted a babysitter and has plans to book us some live music to go to in the next few weeks. He said he’ll send me some links once he’s managed to have a look at what’s on. He says we need to try and have more fun together. He’s not wrong and I feel like he’s actually really trying. So I’m going to give it a go. I know it’s only a day, but I feel like he’s off to a great start. Would he really think through all of this if there was an OW?

@dontknowwhattodo1234567 Sorry OP but he might. My dad was still making plans with my mum and talking excitedly about their shared retirement while he was seeing OW, hiding his assets and preparing to leave her.

But I don't know you both and it sounds like part of him does want to work on the relationship. Suggest couples counselling to regain the intimacy and see how he takes it.

determinedtomakethiswork · 03/06/2024 23:11

I agree with you, whatever happens with him, you need to keep yourself safe and secure by looking at work that you can do. Let's hope he is serious about making life more fun for both of you but don't let him forget that if he is taking up all of the family time with his work then you are dependent on him financially and if you split up you are screwed and he isn't. He has to see that that's not fair. Can you make sure he pays into a pension for you at the very least?

Scrollbreadroll · 03/06/2024 23:34

@dontknowwhattodo1234567 I also think it sounds like there’s someone else on the scene. This is what they do when they are confused and don’t know which path to take. Sounds like he’s planting the seed with you that he’s not sure how he feels so the door is now slightly ajar for him to leave. If that’s what he decides. Don’t be thrown off by him now saying he’s planning to take you away etc, this is also what happens I’m afraid. He now feels lighter and happier and less trapped because he’s told you hes not happy. It’s very common for them suddenly to start making plans and wanting to be near you now it’s sort of in the open, I think it’s called hysterical bonding. I would go along with it if that’s what you want but definitely do some digging in the background.

fettybord · 03/06/2024 23:53

cherchez la femme

Justcoincidences · 04/06/2024 00:08

Whatever you do, don’t tell him you suspect there is someone else. It will drive him to hide any evidence.

in the meantime buy yourself a whole new wardrobe. You may not have the money to do it if you split.

AdmittowearingCrocs · 04/06/2024 00:17

There was a very good thread on here some time ago about a woman getting all her ducks in a row in readiness for the end of her marriage but I can’t remember who the OP was or title of thread. It was so good though and should serve as an instruction book for ending a relationship/marriage and how to protect your assets. If anyone else remembers it can you put up the link?

PickAChew · 04/06/2024 00:26

Of course you have changed. 2 decades have passed and you've grown up! It sounds like he hasn't. His solution sounds like grand gestures but how many of the small, everyday things is he paying attention to?

greedisunappealing · 04/06/2024 00:27

Justcoincidences · 04/06/2024 00:08

Whatever you do, don’t tell him you suspect there is someone else. It will drive him to hide any evidence.

in the meantime buy yourself a whole new wardrobe. You may not have the money to do it if you split.

Right. Get any dental work you need up to date, decent boots and shoes to last couple of years, get your car properly serviced and any other essentials you can think of, because if he takes off you'll have to fight him for cash. They go from. "I'd never leave you struggling " to "You're my ex I owe you nothing in about 3 months, or less.

greedisunappealing · 04/06/2024 00:33

PS behind every man who's kept his carefree youthful attitude is a woman who's been his PA, carer, nurturer, domestic servant, personal shopper, and all round gopher, allowing him to remain youthful and carefree.

HereToday99 · 04/06/2024 00:39

He says he's not sure he can wait for me to get to the stage that he is in therapy.

This line is such a fucking gem. Basically he’s saying “Maybe I wouldn’t be having/thinking of having this affair if you were further along in your therapy.” What a ridiculous twat.

pikkumyy77 · 04/06/2024 01:08

Even worse; they spent gamily money getting him therapy so there wasn’t enough for HER to have therapy. Its like he ate the meal, didn’t share it with her,, and then complains that she is hungry.

BruFord · 04/06/2024 01:09

Dashel · 03/06/2024 20:32

I would hope for the best and go along happily on holidays and date nights but I would secretly be planning for the worst without telling him that’s what I was doing.

I agree with @Dashel.Enjoy your time together, but also let another part of your brain analyze the situation.

You might find it helpful to think about someone else being in your shoes, I.e., if my good friend Sue shared this situation with me, what would I advise her to do? What would she need to get sorted out in case things don’t work out with her husband?

As your children are teenagers, you should have more flexibility work-wise pretty soon. Do you really need to be available before/after school every day? Can’t they stay later at school and do their homework, for example?

If you’ve been out of the workforce for a while, also start looking into training opportunities. Many areas, such as teaching, nursing, etc. are desperate for people. You may have a whole new career ahead of you. 💐

urbanbuddha · 04/06/2024 01:57

I’m glad he’s excited to be treating you and I hope the holiday is fun but I think you need to insist on couples counselling. You are half of this relationship - you do get some say.

FiveZoo · 04/06/2024 03:22

I don't think I could pretend after that conversation.

That declaration for me would be game over.