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husband says he doesn't know if he loves me

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dontknowwhattodo1234567 · 03/06/2024 13:18

Hubby and I have been together for almost 20 years, married for half that time. We have 2 children, both teens. We've been through some real challenges during our relationship. We lost a child half way through a pregnancy, and another of our children has ongoing health issues that almost killed them as a baby. Since these 2 events, I've struggled with both depression and anxiety. I've been to therapy a couple of times but haven't found much relief from worries and feelings.
Over the years DH has always reassured me that he loves me and he's here for me. But we've often been distant and operating almost as individuals in the relationship. He works long hours, and often 7 days a week, particularly when he is working to tight schedules on his projects (he works in the film industry which is pretty intense). He's self employed and I am his employee as I support him with the administration/book keeping of his company. So I earn a part time salary from this. But my hours are very flexible, which allows me to prioritise the children and run the house, particularly when DH is absent because of work.
He started therapy for himself about 5 years ago, after struggling with the pressures of work and anger issues. The therapy has been super beneficial to him. He's more patient, resilient and its had a positive impact on how he has navigated his career and how he interacts with his children. He's talked more about our relationship and areas he can see that he has been detrimental to our connection, which he regrets, although there has been no actual change to his behaviour patterns yet to stop the cycle.
A month ago DH mentioned that he was having deep thoughts about our relationship and doubts that we could improve how things are. I asked for more clarification of this and he said he didn't want to discuss it yet because he hadn't got his thoughts in order. He's been working like crazy since then, 7 days a week, 12-14hr days, so I've not had a chance to talk to him anymore about it. But last night he was home by 8pm so I was able to finally bring it up.
He said that he's got doubts about his feelings for me. Says he's not sure if he loves me, but that he's sure that he's not out of love with me, if I'm making sense? He said that I've changed a lot from the young, carefree, fun girl I was when we first met and that he doesn't think we are compatible anymore. That we get on well from a parenting/friendship point of view but in terms of being in a relationship it just isn't working. He says he feels uncomfortable around me physically and doesn't want to be intimate with me because he feels awkward and that he has no instinct for how to get closer to me and regain that intimacy. He also said that he feels quite trapped by the current state of things, and that he feels if it goes on too long that he'll suddenly "push the button" which will result in him walking out on the family and disappearing. Kind of like an enoughs enough type situation and that he'll just sabotage everything that he has. Turn his back on his family, throw his job in and just shut down completely. I expressed my unease at this, we are entirely dependent on him and his career. Our entire relationship has been focused on prioritising and growing his career, something that he's always really pushed for. I left my own independent job years ago when we had children to facilitate this, and now I feel like the "button" is a threat. I expressed this to him, how it felt threatening, and he acknowledged my feelings, said he didn't intend for it to sound that way, but its how he's feeling right now.

He says as far as he can see, we have 3 choices. 1. we try to make a go of it, devote time to reconnecting, working as a real team, almost starting from scratch with rebuilding our relationship. 2. we coparent in the same house but are no longer in a relationship. We live together but have separate rooms and we live like that, as parents and friends and we reevaluate when the children have left home or 3. he leaves, finds himself somewhere nearby so he can still see the children on the weekends, but we fully break up.

He's giving me some time to think about what I want to do. I feel totally blindsided if I'm honest. I had no idea he was feeling so negatively about our relationship and his feelings for me. We've been through so much together, good and bad and I always thought that no matter what, we'd see things out together. I know I love him, but I also know our relationship needs work. But hearing him say he doesn't know if he loves me is heartbreaking and I'm not sure I can get past that.

I'm also totally reliant on him financially. I never thought that would be an issue, but now I can see that if we broke up, that could be a very real problem. My parents divorced when I was a teen and it threw my world upside down. We had to sell the home, and we had to make drastic financial changes. My dad disappeared (my mum left my dad), and he went to live abroad for several years. It was really tough in a challenging phase of adolescence. I don't want to put my own children through that.

I just don't know what to think, say, feel about it all. Can we save this marriage? Does it sound salvageable? His career has really jumped up in the last couple of years and he's been so much happier in that department that I'm shocked to hear him say he's close to throwing it all away. I'm back in therapy myself now because we can now afford for us both to go, but he says we're on different pages with it because he's been seeing his therapist for years and I'm only recently seeing someone again (it's been a decade since I last went). He says he's not sure he can wait for me to get to the stage that he is in therapy. But that just doesn't seem right to me? I didn't think that therapy was a sort of race?
Anyway, I've written way too much, but what do you all think? Can I salvage this? I honestly don't see how we can separate and keep things smooth for the kids, we can't afford to run 2 homes, the cost of living is just too much. Do I just accept that we coparent and leave it at that? Has anyone had a partner feel unsure of their feelings, and then decide that they do love their OH after all?

OP posts:
Whattodo2024 · 03/06/2024 17:37

dontknowwhattodo1234567 · 03/06/2024 14:11

The problem is, I still need to be about for the kids after/before school and in the holidays. The child with medical issues still needs me more than most teens do and they have regular hospital trips and reviews. DH can't share in that role, he's at work. So my options for work are very limited. What can be done in school hours, term time only that requires no manual lifting (I have damage from DC2's birth that stops me from doing physical jobs). It's part of the reason why I was employed by DH, because there wasn't a job like that out there. And there is no way that DH would take on any of this responsibility as it would stop him from working which is an income we need.

No no no you’ve got to make him realise that he will need to do all these things 50/50. It’s not a choice for him to opt out. Say tough shit.

He’s imagining a world where he works full time and keeps all his money and his lifestyle and you are divorced living in a flat doing all the kids work and a minimum wage job.

I’d be saying to him ‘right I need to start prioritising my earning potential in case you leave me so you’ll need to find child care for your half the week etc etc’. Being strong and assertive is very attractive, don’t pander to him or do the pick me dance.

MattDamon · 03/06/2024 17:49

Can relationships really never heal and recover?

They absolutely can, but his words and actions (he doesn't think he can wait for you to catch up to him in therapy??) are screaming the opposite.

Do what you need to do in terms of trying to save the relationship, BUT you've been given a huge wake up call here. You're in a very vulnerable situation. Use this time to get yourself in the best position possible (legally, financially, mentally) in case things do go tits up. 💐

Theweepywillow · 03/06/2024 17:49

Whattodo2024 · 03/06/2024 17:37

No no no you’ve got to make him realise that he will need to do all these things 50/50. It’s not a choice for him to opt out. Say tough shit.

He’s imagining a world where he works full time and keeps all his money and his lifestyle and you are divorced living in a flat doing all the kids work and a minimum wage job.

I’d be saying to him ‘right I need to start prioritising my earning potential in case you leave me so you’ll need to find child care for your half the week etc etc’. Being strong and assertive is very attractive, don’t pander to him or do the pick me dance.

Why don’t you ask the op what she wants, rather than screech at her what she has to do according to you? Just stop now. If she doesn’t want him having 50 50 that’s her decision.

GingerPirate · 03/06/2024 17:53

This is very sad and it happens often.
Sorry, no advice, no particular experience like this.
Amazing what I should consider myself "lucky"
for.
❤️

dontknowwhattodo1234567 · 03/06/2024 18:31

I don’t think I have it in me to handle this. It’s all too big. The implications are terrifying. I’m not ignoring what has been said, I just don’t have it in me to address it head on for now. I’ll do option 1 and see where it takes me. My eyes are certainly more open to aspects I hadn’t even considered. I guess it’s the “he wouldn’t do that to me” mentality. But I can see that that’s probably not true. I just can’t face it right now. I’m going to have a look through his phone though when I get the chance. Never done it before, or felt the need to. But that’ll give me a good idea of where I stand. I’m not fighting for a cheater.

OP posts:
DullFanFiction · 03/06/2024 18:32

I am going to be watching his behaviour like a hawk and whether he puts much effort into trying to reconnect. This isn’t my responsibility to fix on my own. That’ll tell me everything I need to know over the next few months.
That’s very wise imo.
And so would be you getting back into a fully paid employement of your own, independent of his company.
I do see why a lot of posters are saying ‘it’s game over’ though. 1- because he got some clarity on the part he played in the marriage but hasn’t changed and 2- I think the choice he is giving you aren’t choices as such. But a way to say ‘well I didn’t choose to separate. You did’.
But I totally see and understand why you’d want to give it one last chance.

Which raises the next point. What about your teen who has health issues?

DH can't share in that role, he's at work

Well…. I’m sorry but if he is at work and you are at work too (which would be fair enough right?), then he’ll have to make time for it too.
And as he is self employed, he’ll have more flexibility anyway.
You might want to talk about all of those ‘issues’ that he clearly hasn’t taken into account in his plan.
So far, you’ve facilitated his work and his life. Maybe it’s time to redress the balance too. You being at work in your own right. Your job been given as much importance as his. And him stepping up fully as a father, incl being responsible fir all of those appointments too.

DullFanFiction · 03/06/2024 18:34

dontknowwhattodo1234567 · 03/06/2024 18:31

I don’t think I have it in me to handle this. It’s all too big. The implications are terrifying. I’m not ignoring what has been said, I just don’t have it in me to address it head on for now. I’ll do option 1 and see where it takes me. My eyes are certainly more open to aspects I hadn’t even considered. I guess it’s the “he wouldn’t do that to me” mentality. But I can see that that’s probably not true. I just can’t face it right now. I’m going to have a look through his phone though when I get the chance. Never done it before, or felt the need to. But that’ll give me a good idea of where I stand. I’m not fighting for a cheater.

Whatever you find when looking at his phone, please put yourself first.
And if that means not telling him what you found, leaving him hanging until you have a job and seen a lawyer, then so be it.

bluetopazlove · 03/06/2024 18:48

Oww you really need to make some time out for yourself

whyhavetheygotsomany · 03/06/2024 18:59

This is usually when they have someone else. Saying he hasn't got time is madness. People integrate their affairs into their work that's how they do it. I would be checking his phone for sure

Maddy70 · 03/06/2024 19:04

Consider couples councilling.

Olivia2495 · 03/06/2024 19:07

I would take his phone and leave the house with it. If possible I’d get a friend to look through it because if you find something you wont be able to deal with it. Check for hidden chat apps like the calculator app and even things like eBay messages, which is how my ex used to message his affair partner.

It’s also possible he’s got a second phone.

I think when he’s talking about being young fun and carefree he is comparing you to someone. What is he referring to when he mentioned his behaviour being detrimental?

ItsNotInMyMind · 03/06/2024 19:10

dontknowwhattodo1234567 · 03/06/2024 18:31

I don’t think I have it in me to handle this. It’s all too big. The implications are terrifying. I’m not ignoring what has been said, I just don’t have it in me to address it head on for now. I’ll do option 1 and see where it takes me. My eyes are certainly more open to aspects I hadn’t even considered. I guess it’s the “he wouldn’t do that to me” mentality. But I can see that that’s probably not true. I just can’t face it right now. I’m going to have a look through his phone though when I get the chance. Never done it before, or felt the need to. But that’ll give me a good idea of where I stand. I’m not fighting for a cheater.

My exH swore blind he’d never have an affair after his own dad destroyed his childhood and his mum’s life. Guess what he did?

I argued against everyone who was telling me he had someone on the side. Until she was pregnant, and I had to face it head on without a crash helmet.

Clues I missed. Working late. Locking his phone. Chewing gum (random I know). Passenger seat in the car had been adjusted. Joint bank statement showed cash withdrawals from a place he shouldn’t have been. New work shirts. Suddenly reconnecting with old friends (or pretending to).

I don’t know what your DH may or may not be doing OP, but please be ready to fight your corner and don’t dismiss out of hand what people are saying here.

Theweepywillow · 03/06/2024 19:27

dontknowwhattodo1234567 · 03/06/2024 18:31

I don’t think I have it in me to handle this. It’s all too big. The implications are terrifying. I’m not ignoring what has been said, I just don’t have it in me to address it head on for now. I’ll do option 1 and see where it takes me. My eyes are certainly more open to aspects I hadn’t even considered. I guess it’s the “he wouldn’t do that to me” mentality. But I can see that that’s probably not true. I just can’t face it right now. I’m going to have a look through his phone though when I get the chance. Never done it before, or felt the need to. But that’ll give me a good idea of where I stand. I’m not fighting for a cheater.

Good luck op, I really hope he genuinely does option 1 too.

dottiedodah · 03/06/2024 19:38

Sadly I think PP are right that he has met another woman! Men rarely leave otherwise.It really pisses me off that after children (one with medical issues) running a home ,and working PT for him you arent "as much fun anymore!" I would get Ducks aligned and he wont be quite as wealthy as he thinks! Men are so priviliged and take it for granted

positivewings · 03/06/2024 19:38

Many moons ago i asked my ex did he love me he said not like he used to i just smiled nodded.
I new there and then it was another women and i was right.
I lost 17 stone of drama and lies and stress in one day soon came to learn i was so much happier with out him.
After a while he tried to get back with me i said i dont love you like i used to blocked and moved on with life.

dontknowwhattodo1234567 · 03/06/2024 20:05

Well he’s come home today full of excited talk about taking me to New York in the autumn. Has looked up flights and accommodation and wanted to know what I thought before he booked it. He’s also taking me out to dinner next weekend and has contacted a babysitter and has plans to book us some live music to go to in the next few weeks. He said he’ll send me some links once he’s managed to have a look at what’s on. He says we need to try and have more fun together. He’s not wrong and I feel like he’s actually really trying. So I’m going to give it a go. I know it’s only a day, but I feel like he’s off to a great start. Would he really think through all of this if there was an OW?

OP posts:
bagginsatbagend · 03/06/2024 20:12

I think along with option you need to look into couples counselling. Myself & my husband have a child with special needs & we lost our way a bit a few years ago (also been together 20+ years now). It was a massive help & supported us to make the right decisions to make the changes we needed to, to see things from the others perspective & to have methods to use to ensure we didn’t fall back into old habits & to make our relationship a priority instead of everything else coming first. We’ve got back what we used to have when I honestly thought we were heading towards divorce. Good luck xx

PaminaMozart · 03/06/2024 20:12

Who knows...... but I really hope that he is sincere and things work out well for you.

newstart1234 · 03/06/2024 20:27

Can't possibly say what it means. He may be genuine, he may not. I still think all the points you made in your op point towards affair. One thing I know is that affairs mess with your head - make you not understand your 'reality'. Who knows. As others have pointed out in practise, it doesn't really matter. Your relationship is on a precipice and he has all the power right now. So in practise the steps are the same - get an independent job, rediscover your hobbies/interets, insist he takes more parental load (even if he offloads it elsewhere somehow) and generally prep mentally for possibly a life without him. Scary but forewarned is forearmed.

WoodBurningStov · 03/06/2024 20:30

Who knows, my dh didn't spend anymore time at work, or with friends and he was happy and charming as ever and he was the LAST person id expect to have an affair. Didn't stop him cheating on me

Dashel · 03/06/2024 20:32

I would hope for the best and go along happily on holidays and date nights but I would secretly be planning for the worst without telling him that’s what I was doing.

Livelovebehappy · 03/06/2024 20:41

WeregoingtoIbiza · 03/06/2024 16:04

I had a very similar conversation and I was adamant there was no one else involved.

Turned out there was another woman after all.

This. They all do it. Mine swore blind there was no other woman, even though it was staring me in the face. They do it because they don’t want to look the bad guy to their friends and family. The OW will then be presented a few months after the split as a new love interest. Only she isn’t. She’s been there all along.

fc123 · 03/06/2024 20:50

dontknowwhattodo1234567 · 03/06/2024 20:05

Well he’s come home today full of excited talk about taking me to New York in the autumn. Has looked up flights and accommodation and wanted to know what I thought before he booked it. He’s also taking me out to dinner next weekend and has contacted a babysitter and has plans to book us some live music to go to in the next few weeks. He said he’ll send me some links once he’s managed to have a look at what’s on. He says we need to try and have more fun together. He’s not wrong and I feel like he’s actually really trying. So I’m going to give it a go. I know it’s only a day, but I feel like he’s off to a great start. Would he really think through all of this if there was an OW?

Sounds good.
I had something similar to this too.
Fresh start , go out bla bla bla.
OW had given him an ultimatum.
The Talk ( probably similar to the one you had) and he bottled out. So she dumped him as he wouldn't leave me.
He wanted cake and didn't want to change the status quo.

He then returned to her after couple months but by this time my spidey senses were on alert. And I got into his phone and voila.
Turns out he never intended leaving me at all ( a whole separate story) but now I knew for sure.

I'm not projecting or even suggesting this is your situation but the wonderful thing about MN is we post our stories, anecdotes and then you see the same story over and over (!).

Try and do some snooping OP. I feel it's worse not knowing than knowing as I have a great quote that gave me strength. I'll find it and post later

PussInBin20 · 03/06/2024 20:51

Well that sounds really positive so I agree - I think you should give it a go and see what happens. Good luck to you!

fc123 · 03/06/2024 20:51

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