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Should I leave DH - I am going out of my mind

88 replies

abb3y4 · 08/05/2024 12:23

Nc for this. Please help me see sense, i feel like i am going out of my mind and have no trust of my own intuition anymore.

I have been married 5 years. The first year included a short separation, second year was covid 2020 and 3 further temporary separations. 2021 we had a year of marriage counselling. Things were ok, though not perfect, til 2023 when we started to drift apart. So a pretty eventful relationship, we were together 2 years before marriage and we moved in together and got engaged after 1 year which in hindsight was I think too fast, I had a 4 year old DS from a previous r'ship and I didn't take caution at all. The thing is, I was pretty in love with DH or i would never have gotten married. However since the first 1-2 years of our relationship he had demonstrated extreme sulky behaviours including storming off or sulking on days out or meals out, storming off on holiday and threatening to get a flight home, sulking in front of my mum a few times. Also spending £££ at a stripclub after we had reconciled then gaslighting me because i was so upset about it.

We have always argued a lot, our personalities just seem to clash, though when we are good we are great. It sucks to say that a big argument trigger for us is my DS. He has often been harsh with him and i have disagreed with punishments, how he has spoken to him etc, laughed at him etc, and this always triggers him. He can't rein in his sulking in front of him. just a few months ago he announced 'i'm sick of both you' to us because he and I had argued about how he spoke to DS when he was upset. He is only 10 now. He should not have to deal with this, I know. The reason i have always gone back is because he loves him. He calls him 'daddy', doesn't know his real dad, and even though all he really does with him is drop her at school down the road or play video games, he is adamant he wants 2 parents together. He has heard us fight many times and does comment on it.DH also is a big gamer and doesn't show much of an interest in me, I do literally everything round the house except cooking, organise all holidays, all life admin, etc. He is very focused on his big career. i read something on here recently that some men struggle to have any mindset but 'work' and 'home' whereas other men can be like 'work, walk dog, take DS out on bike'. DH is definitely just someone who goes to work, gives it his all then comes home and has very little left. He is at his best on holidays but honestly thats the only time i see him genuinely happy.

Last year, I had an emotional affair because I felt so lonely. I felt like i spent a lot of my life walking around in a fantasy world, going round the house doing chores like a robot, or taking naps in the day, i got very into an online community just as escapism. This guy was the opposite of my DH. But even though I was in love with the guy, I broke it off and told DH (who would very likely not have found out) as I felt guilty and didnt want to lie and was prepared to work at the marriage. I planned him a beautiful birthday weekend, a geat Christmas, i wrote him little notes, tried to be more affectionate. But since then DH has been very overtly angry towards me. When we argue he is spiteful, he swears at me and tells me I'm ruining his life, I make him feel suicidal etc. He says however we shouldnt get divorced as it will 'ruin' DS's life. And I am too scared to go through with a divorce, even when things are horrific. We even separated for a couple weeks again earlier this year. He will never get over my EA - which is totally fair enough - and yet he blames all of our issues on me and now i am questioning whether our relationship was actually great and i just ruined it. We havent had sex in almost a year which is my fault, I dont feel attracted, he does initiate but often it just touching my boobs which doesnt work when I'm not in the mood, then he gets angry we dont have sex.

Well, I am with DS now at my sister's house on a planned visit at the other end of the country and my sister and mum have been counselling me to take this opportunity to leave DH who they can't stand for the way he has treated me. They have helped me find a local school for DS, a nice rental, and will support me in any way. However, there must be some residual love for DH and our life because I am really struggling to make a move. I can't talk to DH about any of this, on the phone, or in person, because I am afraid if I go back with DS (or alone) i will either feel too guilty/sad or we will have more arguments. So I am just avoiding him. Surely in a marriage you should be able to communicate at times like this. I've told countless lies to DH to avoid arguments/conflict and I am still doing it. But I'm scared I will regret it, that DH is generally an OK guy and I will be alone. That DS's life will indeed be ruined. I feel like I have lost my ability to make decisions, like my brain is mush. I'm embarrassed my family are having to tell me what to do, I am late 30s. DS is not in school, he is asking when we are going home, DH is getting more concerned why we are not coming back. And a big part of me wants to go back, today. I miss my home i have made so nice and my cat and I still feel some of this residual love (or something) for DH that is making it so hard to let go. The idea of my entire life changing is so terrifying.

Yet I know that DH and I will never fix these underlying issues. We both have tempers, he is a sulker like his dad, he is clinically depressed, he wants another baby and I don't (with him, not sure if I would otherwise and I dont want to miss out on the chance if I do), I feel like my worst self when I am with him. I also feel like coping with our problems made me lose my ability to develop my career or be a good parent. i am in a stagnating job and always tired and unmotivated. Thats not me, before I met him i went into banking and got a promotion within a year and wrote a play that was performed in a city theatre! Nothing like that since I have been with DH. But he is a really great provider for all of us and works hard, he makes me a coffee on the weekends, he never really says no to things I suggest, he does love me I think. despite everything. He can be so sweet/funny, and I feel affection towards him but it's more like a friend. I dont want to lose my friend. But I do want attraction, connection, conversation, peace. I want DS to have a happy home.

Why do I feel like this? i dont know exactly what i am looking for. Maybe just a hand hold. I need to take action but I feel paralysed and i dont know if that means it's not right.

OP posts:
bluejelly · 08/05/2024 12:37

Listen to your mum and sister. This guy is a massive man child and not a good role model for your son.
Onwards and upwards!

motherbear43 · 08/05/2024 12:41

Sulking, counselling, affairs, stripclubs, nasty to your ds, no sexual attraction - what is keeping you with this man?

Sounds like you have great support, do the sensible thing and start again. It sounds like both of you are very unhappy in the relationship.

seethingmess · 08/05/2024 12:44

Take the opportunity your family are showing you. Your relationship isn't worth working at and staying together will damage your son.

Tlolljs · 08/05/2024 12:47

Leave. Your son is being nice to him in hopes that it will be reciprocated. Sounds like you’d both be better off.

seethingmess · 08/05/2024 12:49

If you leave, I bet you'll look back in a few months and wonder what on earth you were doing to stay so long.

Lulouise · 08/05/2024 12:52

You are currently physically separated from him, and have been given excellent advice and promised support from your family. Follow through. No good can come from your return to him. The marriage has struggled and is damaging you and your child. Now is your chance for a better life.

EverybodyLovesString · 08/05/2024 12:53

What is your son learning about relationships if you stay? That abuse is normal and acceptable?

Please leave. This isn't a relationship, it's an addiction to drama. He's not your friend and he's a terrible role model for your son.

Seaoftroubles · 08/05/2024 12:56

Please listen to your Mum and your sister, they have truly got your interests at heart and can see the grim reality of your life with this awful man. Of course he doesn't want you to leave as he has an unpaid servant at home who sees to his every need!
Your son will soon adjust and having family nearby will help. You owe it to him to get away, he's heard the rows and you say yourself that your husband has been harsh and unkind towards him. Do you really want this, alongside being a sulking, gaslighting, manchild as a role model for your child?

PineappleTime · 08/05/2024 13:03

I stopped reading at the point where he's an arsehole to your child. You have split up several times. Stop messing about and get on with it.

CBStrike · 08/05/2024 13:04

If one of the nicest things you can say about him is 'he makes me a coffee on the weekends' then i find that really sad. You need to seriously raise your bar.

He is not your son's dad - just stay away and start afresh or you'll soon find yourself pregnant and then it will be 100% harder to leave then and you'd have a life long tie to him. For your son's sake leave him.

Orangeandlemonsquash · 08/05/2024 13:09

Married life shouldn't be this hard OP.

AnnaMagnani · 08/05/2024 13:14

Don't stay because your son 'loves' him. Children are appalling judges of character and will love even the most abusive of parents.

Both you and your son deserve better.

category12 · 08/05/2024 13:19

The reason i have always gone back is because he loves him. He calls him 'daddy', doesn't know his real dad, and even though all he really does with him is drop her at school down the road or play video games, he is adamant he wants 2 parents together.

Children are hard-wired to love their caregivers and will even fawn over abusive ones as a way of placating them. It's a survival strategy. It doesn't mean it's a relationship that is any good for them.

Your son has spent most of his life with this man, of course he's scared of change and is attached - but you're the adult and his mum, and it's your job to make the hard decisions for him.

BumpyaDaisyevna · 08/05/2024 13:35

Listen to your mum and your sister.

Naunet · 08/05/2024 15:21

Seriously, you’re setting a terrible example for your son, even if you think you don’t deserve better, your child does. You may love him OP, but it takes a lot more than love to make a relationship work.

GingerPirate · 08/05/2024 15:41

motherbear43 · 08/05/2024 12:41

Sulking, counselling, affairs, stripclubs, nasty to your ds, no sexual attraction - what is keeping you with this man?

Sounds like you have great support, do the sensible thing and start again. It sounds like both of you are very unhappy in the relationship.

Yes, exactly.
Time to call it.
I wasn't pretty in love with my husband, it was
more practical thinking on my side, however,
I've had 20 years of virtually NO problem marriage.
This is just not worth the OP's time and energy.

Venturini · 08/05/2024 15:52

Jesus christ what a car crash. Spare your son and yourself any more years of having to endure this arsehole. Time to reclaim your self respect and put yourself and your son first! Dont go back.

Turtletunes · 08/05/2024 15:59

As a child of an emotionally abusive father, it worries me that you say he is harsh to your son and laughs at him. My father was also a good provider (I had a pony, I went skiing with the school) but he also used to laugh at me and my sibling when we were upset, get angry with us over random things like breathing too loudly at the breakfast table and would try to humiliate us over things like having spots when we were teenagers.
This behaviour had massive negative effects on my sibling and I, so if that is the kind of thing you mean that he does to your son, my advice would be to run for the hills.
If anyone had asked me if I loved my Dad when I was a kid, I would have said yes, because he was the only Dad I knew. I didn't know as a child that there could be an alternative kind of father who loved their children and didn't try to belittle and upset them.

DaisyChain505 · 08/05/2024 16:13

This relationship sounds like it’s been a shit show from the start. Your history reads like a couple who have been together for 50+ years. Give it up and leave.

AnnaMagnani · 08/05/2024 16:19

Your son sounds like he is craving stability and fawning on your husband.

From your son's point of view:

There has been a lot of instability with break ups and anger
He gets to do fun activities like gaming with your DH
He makes a lot of effort to show his love for DH as if he doesn't he gets shouted at, his mum gets shouted at and sad
His mum does everything for him but what child ever said thanks for clean socks? He is going to rate gaming higher as children are not great at working out their needs.

The relationship has been a nightmare from the start and isn't salvageable.

PussInBin20 · 08/05/2024 16:21

Blimey, you’ve only been married 5 years and you’ve split up how many times? This is not a good relationship. As you realised, you got together too fast before really knowing each other.

Cut your losses for your son’s sake, poor kid.

Mischance · 08/05/2024 16:28

How wonderful that you have the support of your family and that they have helped facilitate a move to a more peaceful life for you and your son.

Even if you cannot see what this is doing to you and feel you deserve no better, please think of your son, who does not "love" your partner - he has nothing else to compare him with - he has no concept of how good relationships function - he is receiving dreadful examples for him to base his future life on. Children profess to love some ghastly adults, simply because this is all they know.

He is witness to rows that are centred on him and how your OH treats him - how do you think this feels for this poor boy? He has never known peace as you and your OH have been at loggerheads/separating on and off for the whole of his little life.

Give this poor child a break, even if you do not care about yourself.

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 08/05/2024 16:41

I think your son wants your DH around because he's never known any different. Once this awful man is out of his life he will thrive. Get rid.

abb3y4 · 08/05/2024 16:52

Yes, DS has also said he wants 2 parents not one as he has seen a lot of kids tv shows and movies where divorce is depicted as very difficult and sad (which obviously it is- i come from a broken home myself.) However he does not seem to depend on DH for anything despite the length of their relationship and the fact he calls him dad. And he is happy when he is with family/friends and playing with animals etc, he has fairly simple needs. Where we normally live and have always lived is a major city and he says he doesn't like the city as much as the countryside. So the good thing is, i think although hard, he would manage with the move. He would definitely benefit from a more peaceful home as quite often if I leave him with DH, DH will just let him watch screens and/or they will argue about something petty and DS will be in his room when i get back, so I feel guilty. I feel I could manage as a single mum - i did it before and i have a good job that can also travel.

I guess I am just feeling this huge sense of loss around the marriage, the life and the companionship such as it is. It hurts to think despite loving each other (which we do claim we do), we couldnt make it work. DH blames me saying i never listen to him and I undermine him with DS and basically am abusive, including my emotional affair, he says I'm a liar and cheater and a bad wife etc. And maybe thats even true. But i know he is as hurt and sad about it as I am. I keep thinking about all the lovely times we have had and i worry so much that i will miss that life so much.

I am really stalling on pulling the trigger but some of the posts on here have made me realise the damage to DS and I know i have to be brave. I just know DH will either be crushed or angry. Even going back to move out would be challenging in those circs. But i know people on here have been through it before and survived. If i could fast forward a year and this all be done, i would.

OP posts:
WallaceinAnderland · 08/05/2024 16:53

Do yourself and your ds a favour. Leave this abusive man.