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Should I leave DH - I am going out of my mind

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abb3y4 · 08/05/2024 12:23

Nc for this. Please help me see sense, i feel like i am going out of my mind and have no trust of my own intuition anymore.

I have been married 5 years. The first year included a short separation, second year was covid 2020 and 3 further temporary separations. 2021 we had a year of marriage counselling. Things were ok, though not perfect, til 2023 when we started to drift apart. So a pretty eventful relationship, we were together 2 years before marriage and we moved in together and got engaged after 1 year which in hindsight was I think too fast, I had a 4 year old DS from a previous r'ship and I didn't take caution at all. The thing is, I was pretty in love with DH or i would never have gotten married. However since the first 1-2 years of our relationship he had demonstrated extreme sulky behaviours including storming off or sulking on days out or meals out, storming off on holiday and threatening to get a flight home, sulking in front of my mum a few times. Also spending £££ at a stripclub after we had reconciled then gaslighting me because i was so upset about it.

We have always argued a lot, our personalities just seem to clash, though when we are good we are great. It sucks to say that a big argument trigger for us is my DS. He has often been harsh with him and i have disagreed with punishments, how he has spoken to him etc, laughed at him etc, and this always triggers him. He can't rein in his sulking in front of him. just a few months ago he announced 'i'm sick of both you' to us because he and I had argued about how he spoke to DS when he was upset. He is only 10 now. He should not have to deal with this, I know. The reason i have always gone back is because he loves him. He calls him 'daddy', doesn't know his real dad, and even though all he really does with him is drop her at school down the road or play video games, he is adamant he wants 2 parents together. He has heard us fight many times and does comment on it.DH also is a big gamer and doesn't show much of an interest in me, I do literally everything round the house except cooking, organise all holidays, all life admin, etc. He is very focused on his big career. i read something on here recently that some men struggle to have any mindset but 'work' and 'home' whereas other men can be like 'work, walk dog, take DS out on bike'. DH is definitely just someone who goes to work, gives it his all then comes home and has very little left. He is at his best on holidays but honestly thats the only time i see him genuinely happy.

Last year, I had an emotional affair because I felt so lonely. I felt like i spent a lot of my life walking around in a fantasy world, going round the house doing chores like a robot, or taking naps in the day, i got very into an online community just as escapism. This guy was the opposite of my DH. But even though I was in love with the guy, I broke it off and told DH (who would very likely not have found out) as I felt guilty and didnt want to lie and was prepared to work at the marriage. I planned him a beautiful birthday weekend, a geat Christmas, i wrote him little notes, tried to be more affectionate. But since then DH has been very overtly angry towards me. When we argue he is spiteful, he swears at me and tells me I'm ruining his life, I make him feel suicidal etc. He says however we shouldnt get divorced as it will 'ruin' DS's life. And I am too scared to go through with a divorce, even when things are horrific. We even separated for a couple weeks again earlier this year. He will never get over my EA - which is totally fair enough - and yet he blames all of our issues on me and now i am questioning whether our relationship was actually great and i just ruined it. We havent had sex in almost a year which is my fault, I dont feel attracted, he does initiate but often it just touching my boobs which doesnt work when I'm not in the mood, then he gets angry we dont have sex.

Well, I am with DS now at my sister's house on a planned visit at the other end of the country and my sister and mum have been counselling me to take this opportunity to leave DH who they can't stand for the way he has treated me. They have helped me find a local school for DS, a nice rental, and will support me in any way. However, there must be some residual love for DH and our life because I am really struggling to make a move. I can't talk to DH about any of this, on the phone, or in person, because I am afraid if I go back with DS (or alone) i will either feel too guilty/sad or we will have more arguments. So I am just avoiding him. Surely in a marriage you should be able to communicate at times like this. I've told countless lies to DH to avoid arguments/conflict and I am still doing it. But I'm scared I will regret it, that DH is generally an OK guy and I will be alone. That DS's life will indeed be ruined. I feel like I have lost my ability to make decisions, like my brain is mush. I'm embarrassed my family are having to tell me what to do, I am late 30s. DS is not in school, he is asking when we are going home, DH is getting more concerned why we are not coming back. And a big part of me wants to go back, today. I miss my home i have made so nice and my cat and I still feel some of this residual love (or something) for DH that is making it so hard to let go. The idea of my entire life changing is so terrifying.

Yet I know that DH and I will never fix these underlying issues. We both have tempers, he is a sulker like his dad, he is clinically depressed, he wants another baby and I don't (with him, not sure if I would otherwise and I dont want to miss out on the chance if I do), I feel like my worst self when I am with him. I also feel like coping with our problems made me lose my ability to develop my career or be a good parent. i am in a stagnating job and always tired and unmotivated. Thats not me, before I met him i went into banking and got a promotion within a year and wrote a play that was performed in a city theatre! Nothing like that since I have been with DH. But he is a really great provider for all of us and works hard, he makes me a coffee on the weekends, he never really says no to things I suggest, he does love me I think. despite everything. He can be so sweet/funny, and I feel affection towards him but it's more like a friend. I dont want to lose my friend. But I do want attraction, connection, conversation, peace. I want DS to have a happy home.

Why do I feel like this? i dont know exactly what i am looking for. Maybe just a hand hold. I need to take action but I feel paralysed and i dont know if that means it's not right.

OP posts:
category12 · 09/05/2024 11:24

he can be sweet and affectionate to us both.
That's the nice/nasty cycle - no-one would ever get involved with an abusive person if they didn't have the good bits as well.

INdeed he says he has never been like this (angry etc) before he met me, and I actually believe that, maybe i have just brought out the worst in him. He actually says i am the abusive one!
These are classic lines out of the abusive person's handbook.

abb3y4 · 09/05/2024 11:34

I think it is right that he wil never forgive my EA and he can now blame me for all our problems and be angry at me at will. Which he did do on 2 holidays in the past few months, suddenly getting angry and shutting down on me because i'm a cheater. I wish he had left me when i told him, but i think he is hanging on because he doesnt want to start again. Its tough because he sees the EA as happening in a vacuum, like everything was perfect before, but just a couple months before that happened we were arguing regularly because he was pushing me to get pregnant and i felt that i didnt want to parent with him because of all the stuff with DS but i very nearly did get pregnant so as not to lose dh. Now i am so glad we didnt do that.

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WallaceinAnderland · 09/05/2024 14:02

OP a home with an abuser is broken. It's not safe, it's not nurturing and your child will fail to thrive there.

Getting him away from the abuser will mean that he can start to heal.

Staying with the abuser makes you part of the problem.

It's not easy but it is the right thing to do for your ds.

DrJonesIpresume · 09/05/2024 14:38

By his example of the way he treats you, this man is teaching your son how to treat his future partner.

Not looking good, is it?

Ifyoucouldreadmymindlove · 09/05/2024 14:43

I’m sure this has been said, and I hope it comes across the right way…

You are ruining your son’s life by staying with that cunt of a man you call a husband.

Do not allow that poisonous shit to be the male role model in your son’s life.

BitzNBobz · 09/05/2024 15:36

In the relationships of this type that I have seen play out (too many within my own family in my 50 years of life) your boy will be thrown out of the home at 16, if not before.

There is something about this type of stepfather against a son that almost guarantees it.

That’s if your boy doesn’t run away from home before then.

In the cases were the woman did leave the man he never had anything to do with the boy afterwards unless as a means to try and control the woman once she had left.

Things will not get better OP.

Good luck.

Littlestminnow · 09/05/2024 16:42

OP, honestly, it sounds like you're married to a child - albeit a child who cooks.

abb3y4 · 12/05/2024 18:13

An update here. I have decided, and discussed with ds, that we are staying. He is actually OK and likes the idea; he is not as sad as i expected. I offered to take him back to see friends/DH or even finish out the school year and he said no, he wanted to stay and would be OK. I am not sure why he is taking all this so well when we left just for a holiday. I guess I have to go with this and certainly not force him to go to say goodbye, I dont want to traumatise him, we have been here a couple weeks now and he is settled with family, maybe going back would be a really bad idea. It does seem extreme to just not return (albeit i will have to soonish, to get our stuff sorted) but i think if we do, i just will not end up leaving and i can't risk that. Our problems have been going on for years and neither of us have been able to make the leap, but i feel so disconnected and our marriage is dead in the water. DS deserves better and for whatever reason i could not make it work.

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Mischance · 12/05/2024 18:44

Well hoo - blooming-ray! Now your son has the chance of a peaceful life and you have the chance of regaining your self-respect.

abb3y4 · 12/05/2024 18:53

Is it incredibly cruel to do this to DH and also DS? Am i just a coward? I intend to return alone to sort things out, but i think taking DS back would only upset him. I just want him to have a happy life.

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Dery · 12/05/2024 19:03

@abb3y4 - you are in an abusive relationship. I actually can’t bear to read your full descriptions of what goes on with your H. It’s so obviously catastrophically fucked up.

The fact that your H does some nice stuff is irrelevant. All relationships feel good when things are going well. You have to look at how things are when things are going badly. Your H won’t like this but your son must be your priority.

It’s absolutely fabulous that you’re staying with your family. You are protecting your son.

It will feel incredibly uncomfortable to you to stay away from your H. That’s not what you’re used to but it’s absolutely the right thing to do. So accept that staying away and ending your marriage will feel difficult and uncomfortable to you. But that will pass. When you come out of the FOG which has kept you in such an unhealthy marriage and when you see your son flourish, you will start to feel more comfortable.

Mischance · 12/05/2024 19:25

It is very important that you stick with your decision now. No wavering or it will become very unsettling for your son. He needs stability and clarity now.

takemeawayagain · 12/05/2024 19:33

It sounds like you've made a lot of pretty poor choices. Your DS obviously is very happy to not have to see that horrible man anymore, you seem quite delusional about how 'good' he was for your son. I think it's time to start putting your son first FGS, you need to grow up and leave that loser behind. Don't go back and get stuff if you're then going to be too weak to leave. Stop feeling sorry for that sulky, pathetic man child.

Honestly, your DS doesn't want to go back at all, doesn't that tell you all you need to know?

abb3y4 · 12/05/2024 19:38

Yes @takemeawayagain you are right i have made some bad choices. but i think abuse does grind you down and you normalise a lot, DH has made me feel very dependent on him, financially and mentally. Its not about being 'weak' though. If i had my way, i would probably not go back and get any stuff, but DS has a lot of sentimental/favourite toys and i have a few things to get, so it's not optional really. But i mean that if me and DS return as originally planned, i fear I will be guilted/abused into staying.

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roastedrapidly · 12/05/2024 19:42

I think there are two main problems here, the first is that your DH is quite flawed (sulking, angry outbursts, strippers, gaming, depression, does not help around the house) and for that reason alone you should be leaving him.

The second reason is, you don't love him, you grasp at the good points and good memories. But you aren't attracted to him, your emotional needs are not being met (he is like a child and an emotional vampire, sucking the enthusiasm out of you) you are becoming resentful and this will never heal, if you could force yourself to love someone again you would have succeeded by now.

Unfortunately splitting with a man like this will get very nasty, I think you're in for a rough ride where he blames you for everything.

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 13/05/2024 07:05

I think you've made the right decision. You've got a difficult time ahead breaking free of him, but it will be so worth it when you are out the other side.

turkeymuffin · 13/05/2024 07:46

abb3y4 · 12/05/2024 18:13

An update here. I have decided, and discussed with ds, that we are staying. He is actually OK and likes the idea; he is not as sad as i expected. I offered to take him back to see friends/DH or even finish out the school year and he said no, he wanted to stay and would be OK. I am not sure why he is taking all this so well when we left just for a holiday. I guess I have to go with this and certainly not force him to go to say goodbye, I dont want to traumatise him, we have been here a couple weeks now and he is settled with family, maybe going back would be a really bad idea. It does seem extreme to just not return (albeit i will have to soonish, to get our stuff sorted) but i think if we do, i just will not end up leaving and i can't risk that. Our problems have been going on for years and neither of us have been able to make the leap, but i feel so disconnected and our marriage is dead in the water. DS deserves better and for whatever reason i could not make it work.

Ok well if this is real then WELL DONE. This is the best thing you can do for your son. You said he's 10 - is that year 5 or year 6? Either way you need to get a school sorted asap. It's SATs week this week for year 6 so that's probably not going to work, but if he's year 5 just start phoning local schools and see who has spaces.

turkeymuffin · 13/05/2024 07:47

abb3y4 · 12/05/2024 18:53

Is it incredibly cruel to do this to DH and also DS? Am i just a coward? I intend to return alone to sort things out, but i think taking DS back would only upset him. I just want him to have a happy life.

No not cruel. Letting your DH abuse your son is cruel. This won't be traumatic forDS if you don't make it so.

WallaceinAnderland · 13/05/2024 11:44

Firstly you need to step up and be the adult here for your son. You shouldn't be asking him what he wants to do, that is not his decision. He is living in an abusive household and it's up to you to make the decision to do what's best for him.

There's far too much here about what you want, about how hard it is for you, about how you might not be able to see it through if you go back. Stop that. Stop harming your son.

Going forward, take strength and support from your family. Listen to them, they are trying to help you and your son. Personally I would not go back for any belongings. They are just not worth it.

If you absolutely insist on going back, take a family member or trusted friend with you, just go in, get your stuff and leave. Don't make it about your weakness, make it about your son. This will help you make that break permanent.

category12 · 13/05/2024 12:30

WallaceinAnderland · 13/05/2024 11:44

Firstly you need to step up and be the adult here for your son. You shouldn't be asking him what he wants to do, that is not his decision. He is living in an abusive household and it's up to you to make the decision to do what's best for him.

There's far too much here about what you want, about how hard it is for you, about how you might not be able to see it through if you go back. Stop that. Stop harming your son.

Going forward, take strength and support from your family. Listen to them, they are trying to help you and your son. Personally I would not go back for any belongings. They are just not worth it.

If you absolutely insist on going back, take a family member or trusted friend with you, just go in, get your stuff and leave. Don't make it about your weakness, make it about your son. This will help you make that break permanent.

Also, if you do go back to pick stuff up, don't take your son with you, leave him with your family. Much harder then to simply cave in.

SwordToFlamethrower · 13/05/2024 12:33

It isn't love, it's fear. Fear of change, even though getting rid of the useless, horrid lump would massively improve your quality of life.

The hardest part if deciding to end it, once you've mentally committed, the rest will fall into place.

SprigatitoYouAndIKnow · 13/05/2024 13:19

Think of it this way, he says that you are the abuser. By making the move to separate, you would actually be freeing him from his abuser amd doing the right thing by him.

Obviously I don't actually believe that, but no one here is actually happy are they?

Your son has probably been asking you to stay together as he is more worried about what will happen if he says bad things and you get back together. It's also far too big a decision to put on him, you are the adult and need to decide what is best. It's not surprising that he is ok about moving, he probably feels relieved. Stay strong op.

abb3y4 · 13/05/2024 14:49

Thanks for the tough love answers, needed that. The point is, DS is happy and has some lovely friends and a good quality of life, which is why i have wavered. Equally he seems happy here and I feel lighter too and am a much better mother out of that situation. me and DH drag each other down and never make any big life decisions or commit to anything because we both know we are on thin ice, so yes, no one is very happy right now. DH called me early today saying he was having a panic attack and i tried really hard not to feel guilty about it because actually i think it is a bit manipulative. If he 'loved' and needed me so much he wouldnt have made so many comments about how i'm his main problem, a bad wife, i never listen to him, etc.
I have no intention of going back with DS as i do think that would be hurtful to him.

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Amicompletelyinsane · 13/05/2024 14:58

I grew up with parents who clearly stayed together for the kids. It was miserable, spent my childhood on edge
Don't think you are doing a good thing if you stay for your child

beenwhereyouare · 13/05/2024 15:22

It simply comes down to this: do you love your son enough to do the right thing for him? Even if you're scared or still feel some love towards your husband? Who, by the way, treats your dc terribly, is awful to you, and you're right, may never forgive you. Nothing you have said indicates you husband has any love for you and your boy! You've spent nearly all of your marriage in multiple separations, marriage counseling, and a dishearteningly abusive relationship. On top of all this, your poor son! The tension in your home must be unbearable.

You have an opportunity now, right in front of you. Family support nearby, a rental house, a school. Everything is there for you if you'll just take it. Surely you read all the posts on MN about women who are truly trapped with none of the help you're being offered, scared to stay, but terrified to leave. Don't tell yourself you're stuck. Don't keep ignoring what cannot be fixed. His behavior is causing so much damage to you, but especially to your son. Damage you can't see yet, damage he may have to deal with the for the rest of his life.

There is something you can do to stop all of this for you and your child. Leave. Take this opportunity and leave now. Don't try to arrange visits or coparent; he's too abusive. Your son may love your husband, but it's all he knows. Give him a chance to live without constant criticism and anxiety. Find a counselor for him, and yourself. You both will need help moving forward. But you can do it.

Just leave.