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Should I leave DH - I am going out of my mind

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abb3y4 · 08/05/2024 12:23

Nc for this. Please help me see sense, i feel like i am going out of my mind and have no trust of my own intuition anymore.

I have been married 5 years. The first year included a short separation, second year was covid 2020 and 3 further temporary separations. 2021 we had a year of marriage counselling. Things were ok, though not perfect, til 2023 when we started to drift apart. So a pretty eventful relationship, we were together 2 years before marriage and we moved in together and got engaged after 1 year which in hindsight was I think too fast, I had a 4 year old DS from a previous r'ship and I didn't take caution at all. The thing is, I was pretty in love with DH or i would never have gotten married. However since the first 1-2 years of our relationship he had demonstrated extreme sulky behaviours including storming off or sulking on days out or meals out, storming off on holiday and threatening to get a flight home, sulking in front of my mum a few times. Also spending £££ at a stripclub after we had reconciled then gaslighting me because i was so upset about it.

We have always argued a lot, our personalities just seem to clash, though when we are good we are great. It sucks to say that a big argument trigger for us is my DS. He has often been harsh with him and i have disagreed with punishments, how he has spoken to him etc, laughed at him etc, and this always triggers him. He can't rein in his sulking in front of him. just a few months ago he announced 'i'm sick of both you' to us because he and I had argued about how he spoke to DS when he was upset. He is only 10 now. He should not have to deal with this, I know. The reason i have always gone back is because he loves him. He calls him 'daddy', doesn't know his real dad, and even though all he really does with him is drop her at school down the road or play video games, he is adamant he wants 2 parents together. He has heard us fight many times and does comment on it.DH also is a big gamer and doesn't show much of an interest in me, I do literally everything round the house except cooking, organise all holidays, all life admin, etc. He is very focused on his big career. i read something on here recently that some men struggle to have any mindset but 'work' and 'home' whereas other men can be like 'work, walk dog, take DS out on bike'. DH is definitely just someone who goes to work, gives it his all then comes home and has very little left. He is at his best on holidays but honestly thats the only time i see him genuinely happy.

Last year, I had an emotional affair because I felt so lonely. I felt like i spent a lot of my life walking around in a fantasy world, going round the house doing chores like a robot, or taking naps in the day, i got very into an online community just as escapism. This guy was the opposite of my DH. But even though I was in love with the guy, I broke it off and told DH (who would very likely not have found out) as I felt guilty and didnt want to lie and was prepared to work at the marriage. I planned him a beautiful birthday weekend, a geat Christmas, i wrote him little notes, tried to be more affectionate. But since then DH has been very overtly angry towards me. When we argue he is spiteful, he swears at me and tells me I'm ruining his life, I make him feel suicidal etc. He says however we shouldnt get divorced as it will 'ruin' DS's life. And I am too scared to go through with a divorce, even when things are horrific. We even separated for a couple weeks again earlier this year. He will never get over my EA - which is totally fair enough - and yet he blames all of our issues on me and now i am questioning whether our relationship was actually great and i just ruined it. We havent had sex in almost a year which is my fault, I dont feel attracted, he does initiate but often it just touching my boobs which doesnt work when I'm not in the mood, then he gets angry we dont have sex.

Well, I am with DS now at my sister's house on a planned visit at the other end of the country and my sister and mum have been counselling me to take this opportunity to leave DH who they can't stand for the way he has treated me. They have helped me find a local school for DS, a nice rental, and will support me in any way. However, there must be some residual love for DH and our life because I am really struggling to make a move. I can't talk to DH about any of this, on the phone, or in person, because I am afraid if I go back with DS (or alone) i will either feel too guilty/sad or we will have more arguments. So I am just avoiding him. Surely in a marriage you should be able to communicate at times like this. I've told countless lies to DH to avoid arguments/conflict and I am still doing it. But I'm scared I will regret it, that DH is generally an OK guy and I will be alone. That DS's life will indeed be ruined. I feel like I have lost my ability to make decisions, like my brain is mush. I'm embarrassed my family are having to tell me what to do, I am late 30s. DS is not in school, he is asking when we are going home, DH is getting more concerned why we are not coming back. And a big part of me wants to go back, today. I miss my home i have made so nice and my cat and I still feel some of this residual love (or something) for DH that is making it so hard to let go. The idea of my entire life changing is so terrifying.

Yet I know that DH and I will never fix these underlying issues. We both have tempers, he is a sulker like his dad, he is clinically depressed, he wants another baby and I don't (with him, not sure if I would otherwise and I dont want to miss out on the chance if I do), I feel like my worst self when I am with him. I also feel like coping with our problems made me lose my ability to develop my career or be a good parent. i am in a stagnating job and always tired and unmotivated. Thats not me, before I met him i went into banking and got a promotion within a year and wrote a play that was performed in a city theatre! Nothing like that since I have been with DH. But he is a really great provider for all of us and works hard, he makes me a coffee on the weekends, he never really says no to things I suggest, he does love me I think. despite everything. He can be so sweet/funny, and I feel affection towards him but it's more like a friend. I dont want to lose my friend. But I do want attraction, connection, conversation, peace. I want DS to have a happy home.

Why do I feel like this? i dont know exactly what i am looking for. Maybe just a hand hold. I need to take action but I feel paralysed and i dont know if that means it's not right.

OP posts:
HopeFloatsAbove · 13/05/2024 15:31

Take it from someone who has divorced twice, both marriages were really abusive, and like you I was in love with the good in my exH. But the bad was in the end intolerable.

I also have a DS and the best thing I did for him was leave because DS was picking up on exH behavior, like you I tired so hard to reason with ex and his abuse to no avail. They will never change. And no matter what tactics you find for each fall out, and with each attempt to do better next time, it will fail. It has zero to do with you.

Your H knows how to treat you, he knows your worth, but he is hoping you dont. Use this time away to allow yourself to end this one sided marriage.

And look up hoovering tactics, educate yourself on abuse and how they manipulate you into their lives again and again. Than armour yourself with the people who truly love you. And lastly, you know how you and your son should be treated, so dont let someone show you any less.

WallaceinAnderland · 13/05/2024 15:39

The point is, DS is happy and has some lovely friends and a good quality of life, which is why i have wavered.

Just because he has some happiness in his otherwise shit life, is no reason to waver. I still think you are making excuses.

Your son will make new friends and then his whole life can be happy instead of just a small portion of a pie chart.

livelovelough24 · 13/05/2024 18:34

Good for you OP, you are taking the first step and that one is hardest. From now on just put one foot in front of the other. Do not think too much, just take it one day at the time. Things will probably get worse before they get better, but they will get better. Stay strong, you can do this!!!

Worried8263839 · 13/05/2024 19:23

Do you want your son growing up to learn this is how men should be? No? There's your answer.

Janpoppy · 14/05/2024 08:03

Wow @abb3y4 !
Give yourself some love for all the good you have done for yourself lately:
Accepting the support of your family. Considering the well-being of your son and checking in with him. Being clear that you want to avoid being sucked back into the destructive dynamic with your ex, and deciding not to return in order to avoid it. Leaving abuse is soooo hard and many women try many times, and it can take years - so give yourself some credit for doing this incredibly hard thing.

Just take one step at a time and remind yourself of your determination to have a good life ahead. Just now you are in survival mode and everything feels hard under these conditions. You are not traumatising your son - you are giving him the opportunity to have his mother back and to have a better life.

You will recover your confidence and sense of self. Just one step at a time.
You are also allowed to reduce contact with your H, he is an adult who can find support for himself. You don't need to have phone conversations with him if it is simply going to be about guilting and manipulating you. You can let him know that going forward correspondence is about practicalities only. You are no longer responsible for him and you deserve 100% of your energy to be going towards you and your son.

Well done again on making a really difficult decision. Trust yourself. You are doing well!

waterrat · 14/05/2024 10:09

It isn't 'residual love' that is keeping you in this very damaging relationship - it's unhealthy attachment patterns and low self confidence.

Your son really does not need two parents when one of them is setting an appalling example to him day in day out.

Get some therapy and leave this man behind before he completely destroys your sons chances of understanding what a good and healthy relationship looks like.

waterrat · 14/05/2024 10:10

The life you describe of him waking up and gaming for hours is HORRIFIC op - do not lose sight of that. it is NOT normal for a father figure to behave like that - get out and let your son flourish with better examples in front of him.

and btw - you said this ' he says he has never been like this (angry etc) before he met me, and I actually believe that, maybe i have just brought out the worst in him.'

That is a classic abuser line.

abb3y4 · 14/05/2024 14:26

Thanks all. These messages are really keeping me afloat. Some days just feel so hard. I drove for the first time in years last night (with my sister in the car- and i have lived in a city for ages so have not needed to drive) and felt so anxious, it made me realise how fragile my mental health is and has been for a while. Before our relationship went south i drove, travelled alone with DS, got promoted at work, did creative stuff, made plans with friends, i was even ok single and when we separated i felt fine. I dont know whats different now. I think mayeb that DS is older so it feels worse to uproot him, or that i am more trauma bonded to DH. My sis' husband sits with the kids, takes them out and does things round the house, and they are a team. We had got in such a bad dynamic.

DS cried a bit today and said he misses our home and his friends and DH. It was awful. I reiterated that we can be happy here and he does agree with that, he loves it here. I just wish i could make this easier on everyone, or know for sure that it is right. DH is very angry/upset with me and i guess what i am doing is cowardly,not even coming back for a conversation, but i know how they go. I feel like the number 1 thing for me to do is just keep putting one foot in front of the other right now. Even if it hurts.

If i can vent on here, the thing is that i really, really miss home too. I miss our city and our cat, i miss my friends, i even miss DC's school and our daily routine. It is so hard to give that all up which i must. I know its selfish but even if i only express it on here or to myself, i need to. I miss how me and DH were once. Its so fucking sad how things cant work out, how people fuck things up when it wasnt necessary. I feel guilty and conflicted, especially because i had an EA. Like if i didnt do that would everything be great right now? I know we had problems for years before that so no, but its easy to feel like i just fucked everything. I guess it is my cross to bear just as DH's temper is his.

OP posts:
FatfunandADHD · 14/05/2024 14:35

The reason I divorced my now exH was when I truly sat down and asked myself the following question.

Is this what I want to teach my son that love looks like.

I didn't. My son was 7 at the time of separation and we were fairly honest about wanting happiness for everyone he has coped incredibly well and remains a bright well rounded boy.

Mischance · 14/05/2024 14:35

You are overthinking this and that will lead to going round in circles. You need to look to the future and try not to dwell on the "ifs" and the "might have beens." The truth is that he might once have seemed a good bet, but has proved not to be, and you need to respond to that reality and do what is right for you and your son. Which is what you are doing - well done.

SuncreamAndIceCream · 15/05/2024 10:14

Yes well done OP

The path you've chosen is not easy but it's the right one.

Fundamentally your marriage was not good, you really tried but your DH chose to behave poorly and take his frustrations out on you. You endured more than anyone should out of guilt.

Time to do what is best for your boy and show him what a strong independent woman you are.

abb3y4 · 15/05/2024 12:22

I spent an hour crying on the phone to my mum today which helped a lot. It was a tough morning, Ds has started at school and has been a bit wobbly but he says he is happy here and he doesn't want to go home although he does miss it and DH. I just feel so guilty in case i am making a wrong choice that involves him so much. But as my mum pointed out, H has been like this for almost all our relationship. He has sulked almost every holiday, threatened divorce numerous times, threatened to leave me with no money, has walked out and gone to stay at his parents, been cruel to me in front of my child innumerable times, doesn't bother with us when he would rather watch football, game or nap. I just wasn't happy and i have forgotten what that feels like tbh. Putting one foot in front of the other here every day has galvanised me a bit. I have secured a house for us, ds is back in school, i have been practising driving, i have spoken to my work to get support, and I am being a good mum i think. I am taking support offered by my family. I try not to go round in circles anymore as the fact is me and H are not happy together. Its hard to think of it as an 'abusive' relationship but it has been in the past at least. And when i briefly spoke to him the other day and he said he had forgotten to water my and DS' plants that we so carefully planted a couple months back, it felt like a metaphor for everything. just laziness and lack of care, no involvement in family life when it didnt suit him. I want more for us and I want not to feel resentment every day.

OP posts:
ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 15/05/2024 12:56

So you've sorted out school for your DS, somewhere to live, and you're getting back to driving?! You are amazing!!! It will get easier as time goes on and you get more settled in your new life.

As for thinking it would have worked out I'd you hadn't had the EA, I honestly think it would have just taken longer for things to come to a head and you'd have spent even more of your life being made miserable by this man. The EA was a symptom not the cause. You already weren't happy. If you were the EA would not have happened.

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