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Should I leave DH - I am going out of my mind

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abb3y4 · 08/05/2024 12:23

Nc for this. Please help me see sense, i feel like i am going out of my mind and have no trust of my own intuition anymore.

I have been married 5 years. The first year included a short separation, second year was covid 2020 and 3 further temporary separations. 2021 we had a year of marriage counselling. Things were ok, though not perfect, til 2023 when we started to drift apart. So a pretty eventful relationship, we were together 2 years before marriage and we moved in together and got engaged after 1 year which in hindsight was I think too fast, I had a 4 year old DS from a previous r'ship and I didn't take caution at all. The thing is, I was pretty in love with DH or i would never have gotten married. However since the first 1-2 years of our relationship he had demonstrated extreme sulky behaviours including storming off or sulking on days out or meals out, storming off on holiday and threatening to get a flight home, sulking in front of my mum a few times. Also spending £££ at a stripclub after we had reconciled then gaslighting me because i was so upset about it.

We have always argued a lot, our personalities just seem to clash, though when we are good we are great. It sucks to say that a big argument trigger for us is my DS. He has often been harsh with him and i have disagreed with punishments, how he has spoken to him etc, laughed at him etc, and this always triggers him. He can't rein in his sulking in front of him. just a few months ago he announced 'i'm sick of both you' to us because he and I had argued about how he spoke to DS when he was upset. He is only 10 now. He should not have to deal with this, I know. The reason i have always gone back is because he loves him. He calls him 'daddy', doesn't know his real dad, and even though all he really does with him is drop her at school down the road or play video games, he is adamant he wants 2 parents together. He has heard us fight many times and does comment on it.DH also is a big gamer and doesn't show much of an interest in me, I do literally everything round the house except cooking, organise all holidays, all life admin, etc. He is very focused on his big career. i read something on here recently that some men struggle to have any mindset but 'work' and 'home' whereas other men can be like 'work, walk dog, take DS out on bike'. DH is definitely just someone who goes to work, gives it his all then comes home and has very little left. He is at his best on holidays but honestly thats the only time i see him genuinely happy.

Last year, I had an emotional affair because I felt so lonely. I felt like i spent a lot of my life walking around in a fantasy world, going round the house doing chores like a robot, or taking naps in the day, i got very into an online community just as escapism. This guy was the opposite of my DH. But even though I was in love with the guy, I broke it off and told DH (who would very likely not have found out) as I felt guilty and didnt want to lie and was prepared to work at the marriage. I planned him a beautiful birthday weekend, a geat Christmas, i wrote him little notes, tried to be more affectionate. But since then DH has been very overtly angry towards me. When we argue he is spiteful, he swears at me and tells me I'm ruining his life, I make him feel suicidal etc. He says however we shouldnt get divorced as it will 'ruin' DS's life. And I am too scared to go through with a divorce, even when things are horrific. We even separated for a couple weeks again earlier this year. He will never get over my EA - which is totally fair enough - and yet he blames all of our issues on me and now i am questioning whether our relationship was actually great and i just ruined it. We havent had sex in almost a year which is my fault, I dont feel attracted, he does initiate but often it just touching my boobs which doesnt work when I'm not in the mood, then he gets angry we dont have sex.

Well, I am with DS now at my sister's house on a planned visit at the other end of the country and my sister and mum have been counselling me to take this opportunity to leave DH who they can't stand for the way he has treated me. They have helped me find a local school for DS, a nice rental, and will support me in any way. However, there must be some residual love for DH and our life because I am really struggling to make a move. I can't talk to DH about any of this, on the phone, or in person, because I am afraid if I go back with DS (or alone) i will either feel too guilty/sad or we will have more arguments. So I am just avoiding him. Surely in a marriage you should be able to communicate at times like this. I've told countless lies to DH to avoid arguments/conflict and I am still doing it. But I'm scared I will regret it, that DH is generally an OK guy and I will be alone. That DS's life will indeed be ruined. I feel like I have lost my ability to make decisions, like my brain is mush. I'm embarrassed my family are having to tell me what to do, I am late 30s. DS is not in school, he is asking when we are going home, DH is getting more concerned why we are not coming back. And a big part of me wants to go back, today. I miss my home i have made so nice and my cat and I still feel some of this residual love (or something) for DH that is making it so hard to let go. The idea of my entire life changing is so terrifying.

Yet I know that DH and I will never fix these underlying issues. We both have tempers, he is a sulker like his dad, he is clinically depressed, he wants another baby and I don't (with him, not sure if I would otherwise and I dont want to miss out on the chance if I do), I feel like my worst self when I am with him. I also feel like coping with our problems made me lose my ability to develop my career or be a good parent. i am in a stagnating job and always tired and unmotivated. Thats not me, before I met him i went into banking and got a promotion within a year and wrote a play that was performed in a city theatre! Nothing like that since I have been with DH. But he is a really great provider for all of us and works hard, he makes me a coffee on the weekends, he never really says no to things I suggest, he does love me I think. despite everything. He can be so sweet/funny, and I feel affection towards him but it's more like a friend. I dont want to lose my friend. But I do want attraction, connection, conversation, peace. I want DS to have a happy home.

Why do I feel like this? i dont know exactly what i am looking for. Maybe just a hand hold. I need to take action but I feel paralysed and i dont know if that means it's not right.

OP posts:
Dery · 08/05/2024 17:30

Please don’t use the term broken home. It’s just so judgmental. And wrong. Some of the most functional families I know involve separated parents who co-parent sensibly and reasonably. A toxic home environment with an abusive parent is far more damaged and damaging than separate households.

I didn’t even read your whole first post. It was so quickly obvious that this marriage was a huge mistake and should be brought to an end.

zeibesaffron · 08/05/2024 18:00

Re read what you have written- do you really think this is ok for you or your son? what would say to your Mum or Sister if they were in your shoes right now? You would say leave!!

This man is:
toxic
awful
lazy
manipulative
spiteful
horrid to your son!

Your son will and can have a positive and amazing life with you, his GM and your sister supporting, once he sees how life can be with one loving, calm parent, he won’t miss that idiot he is calling Dad - take that opportunity to leave now!

PineappleTime · 08/05/2024 18:03

Mate, your home right now is 'broken'. A home where a child lives safely and happily with one parent isn't a broken home, it's a functioning one.

Atethehalloweenchocs · 08/05/2024 19:14

Sorry, this was a very long post OP. If you want to put up with his bad behaviour that is your choice, although it sounds miserable. But to expose your DC to it is awful and poor parenting. Perhaps you need to speak to Womens Aid or look into the Freedom Program.

Aquamarine1029 · 08/05/2024 19:24

You are absolutely ruining your child by staying with this horrible man. Your son won't have a chance of ever having a healthy relationship with this as his model. Your husband is a fucking nightmare, and you, I'm sorry to say, are being shockingly selfish. You are not doing what's best for your son, and you haven't for years. Your family must be horrified that you've chosen to live like this with this abusive, fucking horrendous man.

Telemakus · 08/05/2024 19:28

Read back your original post. You've answered the question yourself several times.

labracadabras · 08/05/2024 19:29

bluejelly · 08/05/2024 12:37

Listen to your mum and sister. This guy is a massive man child and not a good role model for your son.
Onwards and upwards!

This

livelovelough24 · 08/05/2024 19:33

Dery · 08/05/2024 17:30

Please don’t use the term broken home. It’s just so judgmental. And wrong. Some of the most functional families I know involve separated parents who co-parent sensibly and reasonably. A toxic home environment with an abusive parent is far more damaged and damaging than separate households.

I didn’t even read your whole first post. It was so quickly obvious that this marriage was a huge mistake and should be brought to an end.

@Dery Thank you for making this comment. I know that OP did not invent this term and of course we do not blame her, but people should not be using it. OP, divorce is hard, there is no easy way around it, but it is not the end of the world and in your particular situation, it really is the best thing to do. You and your husband may think you love each other, but love is not just a word. Love is respect, love is support, love is the willingness to sacrifice for the other, to put their needs before ones own. Love is wanting to be together, feeling safe with each other, being patient with each other.... I can go on and on, but you probably realized by now that this is not what your relationship looks like, is it.

The thing is, marriages do not always work, in fact, quite a few of them end up in divorce, and there are many more, sad, painful, dysfunctional marriages that should end, but people stay for numerous reasons, not able to leave. Getting a divorce is not the end of the world, your home will not be broken, it will just change shape and both you and your son will survive and quite possible thrive afterwards.

I know that kids take divorce differently, some seem to be more traumatized than the others. I am not an expert, but I strongly believe that this depends largely on how adults are taking it, how they perceive it. If they see you upset and crying, if they hear you referring to you home as "broken", calling it “end of the world” etc, they too will be heart broken and upset. No matter what you think or feel, do not show it to your son. Be strong for him and tell him that no matter what happens, you will still love him, that none of this if his fault and that he will be ok. Tell him that while some things will change, many will stay the same, you will still be a family, he will have people who love and support him and that is most important.

You have to know that you are really lucky to have a family around and that they are willing to help as many women do not. I hope, I really do, that you listen to their advice and do not go back to your husband. It really is for the best. Hugs.💕

terrichild · 08/05/2024 19:44

My opinion for what it’s worth is you have no self respect,self esteem or value of yourself. So you put up with this man child and make excuses for his appalling behaviour to you and your son. I had a father like this horrible person and they are children themselves and so behave like spiteful children to any children they father or in your sons case , stepparent. Whatever you are prepared to go along with yourself you are colluding with this man child by letting him bully your son. You owe it to your son to not do this or the message your son will get is that he’s not worth standing up for. Your son cannot do anything but you can for him and I suggest for both your sakes you stay a long way away.

Mmotherknowsbest · 08/05/2024 19:46

Where is your child's dad? Can you get in touch? If you told him openly the relationship was failing and your child needs support would he offer it?

Sayingnothing · 09/05/2024 08:31

Would it help you OP to know that I think you would be absolutely crazy to pass up this chance to escape and all the support offered by your family, to go back to him? You are in the best possible position to 'rescue' yourself and your DS and you may not get a chance like this again, so many women are trapped in this situation but your lovely family have given you the perfect route out. Why would you go back to all the chaos and upset he brings when you can stay with your family and be loved and supported?

BigDahliaFan · 09/05/2024 08:36

bluejelly · 08/05/2024 12:37

Listen to your mum and sister. This guy is a massive man child and not a good role model for your son.
Onwards and upwards!

This. Sorry love, but it really shouldn’t be this hard being in a relationship. Move, make new friends who can be role models for your son and wait a long time for the next relationship. When it’s right it’s not such hard work.

you are settling your son up to be like him ….. and to treat women badly I. The future.

Ofcourseshecan · 09/05/2024 08:45

Seaoftroubles · 08/05/2024 12:56

Please listen to your Mum and your sister, they have truly got your interests at heart and can see the grim reality of your life with this awful man. Of course he doesn't want you to leave as he has an unpaid servant at home who sees to his every need!
Your son will soon adjust and having family nearby will help. You owe it to him to get away, he's heard the rows and you say yourself that your husband has been harsh and unkind towards him. Do you really want this, alongside being a sulking, gaslighting, manchild as a role model for your child?

I agree, OP. Don’t let him reel you back in again. Take this chance to make a happier life for you and DS xx

Twirlywoo · 09/05/2024 08:54

Leave! Things are not going to improve. I'd rather be on my own for the rest of my days than deal with what you described here.
Do not live a life of regret.

Littlestminnow · 09/05/2024 09:03

Apart from anything else, this man is teaching your son that's it's okay to sit around gaming while his wife does everything. Why do you put up with it, OP?

ichifanny · 09/05/2024 09:05

My takeaway from this is it’s far too mature for a child to be weighing in on whether he has parents together as well as reading up on it and talking about broken homes . That’s so harmful and traumatic for him , he should be oblivious to all this nonsense . Take him away and let him live a nice life where he doesn’t have to see you being treated like shit in a sham of a marriage and he might have a chance of growing up well adjusted .

SuncreamAndIceCream · 09/05/2024 09:09

Awwww I'm so sad for you OP that you can't see what is glaringly obvious to your mum and sister

Your DH is not a good man, he doesn't treat you with respect and your son is trying so hard to please him because he is worried he will get things wrong. He shouldn't be so anxious

Please let your mum and sis rescue you. Sometimes you need help to do what needs to be done & this is one of those times

Begsthequestion · 09/05/2024 09:12

Please let your son live in peace in the countryside with you and your relatives around! I'm sure he will love it.

Your DH is going to ruin his confidence otherwise, just like he's ruined yours. It's not too late to get it back though!

Listen to your mum and sister and take the help on offer. This is a great opportunity for you and your son to thrive.

BlastedPimples · 09/05/2024 09:18

Gosh, he sounds horrendous.

This relationship has been really really hard work. It's not meant to be that way.

And I feel really sorry for your son too.

Orangemangogrape · 09/05/2024 09:22

You're so lucky to have this opportunity. Take it.

MuggleMe · 09/05/2024 09:27

Leave please! You don't want this for another 5 years let alone another 25.

Janpoppy · 09/05/2024 09:42

It is extremely difficult to leave the kind of dynamic you're in because you are experiencing intermittent reinforcement - sometimes it is terrible but sometimes it is really, really great, and this creates a chemical rollercoaster in the body and makes makes someone fight harder to stay. This is common in abusive dynamics.

The confusion you feel is likely the result of the gaslighting you've endured. Just as physical abuse hurts the body, psychological abuse hurts the mind, so confusion and finding it hard to make decisions are a pretty good indicator that your mental state has been eroded through being with this man. This confusion makes it easier for him to control you, and keeps you feeling stuck.

Educating yourself about coercive control and emotional abuse will help you understand what you have been through. Lots of good youtube videos and resources are online. Look up Lundy Bancroft's 'Why Does He Do That?' which is available free online. Look up Torna Pitman on Coercive Control. Or find a counsellor who works in domestic violence/coercive control. Understanding what has been done to you is an important part of recovery for many people. You might need to make a decision to 'white knuckle' through the first phase and be committed to the belief that you are making the best decision for you and your son, and trust that you WILL find clarity and understanding down the track. Once you have left him you will be better able to comprehend what has happened to you, what his behavior has done to you, and how bad it really has been.
All the best to you.

abb3y4 · 09/05/2024 11:13

Thank you so much for all the replies. I am aware of how lucky I am to have family support, I guess it just feels hard because it would mean taking DS away from his home, his friends and what he has known for the past 3 years since we moved. Not to mention the only dad he has ever known. To answer a pp, his bio dad left me when i was pregnant and then came back and disappeared on me again a further 2 times when DS was a baby, he apologised (via fb message!) when DS was about 4 but then contact dropped off completely. i dont see the benefit of reaching out to him really.

Also, it seems like i have painted DH totally black. He isnt; he has been supportive to me in a lot of ways and he cooks for us almost every night, he provides for DS like his own, he can be sweet and affectionate to us both. INdeed he says he has never been like this (angry etc) before he met me, and I actually believe that, maybe i have just brought out the worst in him. He actually says i am the abusive one! i know i made a massive mistake having an EA but i did confess rather than bury it. I made a big effort to host a nice xmas for his visiting family members afterwards, I planned about 4 nice trips in the past 6 months since I told him, I have tried to rekindle my feelings but it seems like the affair opened my eyes more to how bored and lonely I was. He says i never listen to him but i think he equates listening with not answering back. He says i undermine him with DS but if he is eg. angry at DS for showing emotion or if he is overly harsh, i do stick up for DS, even though it has caused issues between me and DH for years, i can't not do it. He says i don't act loving to him. But i have tried for years and put my all in - stupid little acts of love like making him a scrapbook of our relationship (which he looekd at once and is now shoved in a cupboard), doing him homemade advent calendars at Xmas with little treats inside, planning surprises for his bdays, making the bedroom nice for when he goes to bed (he gets annoyed if i even ask him to help change the sheets every couple weeks)- to bigger things like making a big effort to maintain a friendship with his mum (when he openly dislikes my mum), having the wedding he wanted, giving up my well paid job when we moved for his job, keeping the house and garden nice every day, making sure we have nice holidays and days out a few times a year. He does do all the cooking and he is financially supportive but he seems so deeply unhappy and that was before i had the EA. It just chips away at you. I feel like i have given him the benefit of the doubt for ages but maybe last year i did just stop trying so hard.

I got so tired, and am so tired, of my weekends consising of DH getting up early to game with his brother online for 3-4 hours, DS on screens, me doing chores and then cajoling everyone out the door (if DH even bothers to come out.) Then having to come home because DH is tired or the weather isnt good. I started going out on my own for walks etc very regularly and DH holds that aganst me and says i dont want to spend time with him. But all he wants to do is watch youtube videos about games or history, or eat, and we seem to have nothing to talk about. I love books and films, and i'm creative and adventurous, but even lately, on a 'date' dh was like "I dont know why anyone would want to do that" when i was talking about how i used to like to go to gigs. I feel like a shadow of myself these days. Having been here, i do feel lighter, but i also feel this undercurrent of fear that I'm going to mess up my life and DS' by leaving.

Still, how do you get over all the memories and good times even if you know its not the right relationship? How do you leave behind the future/life you thought you had? I'm so scared. When i was a kid my parents had a very acrimonious divorce (they still are, 25 years later!!) and we lost my beloved childhood home and became very poor as my dad withheld child support for ages. i guess i am so afraid i have just turned into my mum who now in her 60s works a minimum wage job and struggles.

But i want the best for DS. So i know i have to do whatever that is. Maybe all of this is grief too for DS' bio dad, the life we didnt have together with DS, the fact i am alone again years later and starting from scratch with a traumatised DS. I feel very guilty and at times like i dont want to go on. I dont know what happiness looks or feels like.

Sorry for the crazy long post. i'm just working all this out. I truly appreciate all the responses which are exactly what i need to hear.

OP posts:
Newestname002 · 09/05/2024 11:15

@abb3y4

OP, for your son's sake, even more than your own, you need to be wise and listen to the advice your mother and sister have given you.

You really cannot give weight, in this situation, to what your only just 10yo old wants - he does not have the life experience that is needed to make the decision to go back and share a home with someone so emotionally immature and/or emotionally abusive as your husband. You, I think, should be setting an example of what behaviours to accept or not if he's not to be in a similar situation himself when he's older.

Please step back from your own emotions, be rational and decide that the toxic relationship you have had almost from the beginning is not good for either you or your child. Be guided by people you know love you and have your interests at their heart.

Do you and your husband have joint bank accounts (current and savings). Be aware that someone that you describe may well empty the accounts, thus starving you of funds and making it difficult to make proper moves to leave him. Take legal advice, even if it's just to clear your head a little. 🌹

ThreePointOneFourOneFiveNine · 09/05/2024 11:23

If you stay with him you are going to spend the rest of your life apologising for the EA and tiptoeing round him trying to appease him all the time. He may have moments where he is nice, but a lot of the time he clearly isn't. Cooking dinner and paying the bills does not make up for his behaviour towards you and your son.

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