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Partner shouted at me whilst driving with baby in back

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mumma2698 · 07/05/2024 14:17

Hi there.

I was driving my partner and our baby to get some lunch and before we set off I was getting maps up on my phone, he then mentioned we don't need maps he knows the directions, I understood that and told him he can still give me directions however I would like maps up as a back up so I can also see the road ahead and plan ahead,also there have been times you have told me directions last minute so at least it I have maps on then it's always there.

My lather then was like what just in case I don't know the way, and swiped the maps off my phone, I put it back up again and said I want it there for reassurance, then he said I was being petty and I want things my way, I tried to tell him I am still agreeing to go your directions but as I said I want it there as a back up especially when I don't know all the roads the map helps with that.

So we carried on driving with maps up and he was letting me follow maps and later as he said there's no point having both maps and me giving directions as It will confuse me.

Closer to our area/ location he tried switching maps off and mentioned I'll tell you directions from here but again I just wanted it there as reassurance, as sometimes he gives me directions last min and at least with maps it can redirect us if need be.
We had plenty of time to get to our destination so there was no rush, I also said I've been the wrong way using maps or when you have giving me directions so it's not the worst thing in the world and also I am the driver so I want to do which best suits me, he turned around and said I was being petty and immature and just want things my way. Plus he is the navigator so it should be up to him. Then with all this talk I went the wrong way, then he went from 0-100 and shouted at me 'your going the wrong way' repeatedly and clenched fists, I said not so bout with out baby in the car and he carries on so I pulled up and he was still shouting, so I gave him a little slap on the leg and said stop shouting as our baby and we are in the car, then he made out I'm the abusive one and I shouldn't hit, which I know should of not slapped him on leg but I felt I had no where to go, so he got out of the car and said you know you shouldn't hit a man as If you hit me I can hit you...he later calmed down and got back in car.

Just wanted some advice on situation?

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Seas164 · 07/05/2024 19:24

@alloweraoway you might think you're helping, but you're really not. Or maybe you don't think you're helping, who knows. Either way trying to drag this thread into the long grass is energy I'm sure you can spend better elsewhere.

DeedlessIndeed · 07/05/2024 19:26

OP, Why are you with him!!!

Clearly you don't bring out the best in each other? He has treated you like crap multiple times.

Why?

MyBigBounty · 07/05/2024 19:28

Both wrong. Baffled about h or people are outraged at shouting yet tripping over themselves to defend hitting. The hit is clearly being minimised it's not appropriate to slap on the leg during an argument and I doubt it was 'a little slap' given the tension between both.

Funnily enough, I've had a serious argument on the car over Google Maps. We were both wrong.

One person thinking they're right isn't helpful in the slightest.

Whole situation is not great and yes, you should probably separate and both reflect on how you acted. That's not judgement, because I've been there. It's just the truth if you want to be together. Or even if you don't.

mumma2698 · 07/05/2024 19:45

Temporaryname158 · 07/05/2024 16:17

Stay living apart and make no further plans to move in together.

he behaviour was abusive. You are driving. You can use whatever navigation method you choose. He has no right to tell you what to do, touch your phone or belittle you or emotionally blackmail you to do things ‘his way’

no you should not have hit his leg. You know that, but look up retaliation when abused. Often people can behave in ways not normal for them due to ongoing abuse.

however you hitting him on the leg does not entitle him to hit you as he stated either then or any point in the future (if he ever does hit you and blames the time in the car) it isn’t tit for tat

a temper, violent verbal outbursts and clenched fists are red flags for future violence and you need to ensure you protect your baby

I just feel there have been so many times where he has shouted out of other like I am the blame and I have been patient and got him to calm, how we when it happens so many times I don't have the same energy and now with a baby when hormones imbalances and constant overwhelmed where I do most of it on my own as we see each other weekends and then we have petty arguments which make him blow not he does not understand why I wanted maps on on first place he just sees it as I'm not listening to him or disrespecting him and I guess I just has enough in that situation because rarely we have a normal conversation of understanding

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crumbpet · 07/05/2024 19:47

You two should split up immediately

Seas164 · 07/05/2024 19:50

crumbpet · 07/05/2024 19:47

You two should split up immediately

Amen.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/05/2024 19:57

You and he should not be together end of. What sort of example are you setting for your child?. You want this young person to grow up seeing this from his/her parents as the cornerstone of their childhood?.

mumma2698 · 07/05/2024 19:57

MyBigBounty · 07/05/2024 19:28

Both wrong. Baffled about h or people are outraged at shouting yet tripping over themselves to defend hitting. The hit is clearly being minimised it's not appropriate to slap on the leg during an argument and I doubt it was 'a little slap' given the tension between both.

Funnily enough, I've had a serious argument on the car over Google Maps. We were both wrong.

One person thinking they're right isn't helpful in the slightest.

Whole situation is not great and yes, you should probably separate and both reflect on how you acted. That's not judgement, because I've been there. It's just the truth if you want to be together. Or even if you don't.

Not being minimised at all, if I dis not want to mention the slapping I would miss it out but I am open and honest, literally a slap to be like calm yourself out baby is in the back stop shouting, then it made him shout more when I told him not to with a smirk on his face like he was purposely doing it to annoy me or get to me because he knows I hate it? Normally I have patience and walk away with baby cover baby's ears o couldn't do that in the car I was driving felt cornered and nowhere to go so I had to quickly pull up to safety x

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mumma2698 · 07/05/2024 19:58

DeedlessIndeed · 07/05/2024 19:26

OP, Why are you with him!!!

Clearly you don't bring out the best in each other? He has treated you like crap multiple times.

Why?

I question myself sometimes I guess I see all the good and know his past and justify his actions or think he will change x

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mumma2698 · 07/05/2024 20:01

mcdonaldschip · 07/05/2024 19:15

Is no one going to comment on him saying "if you hit me then I can hit you?"

The relationship is super toxic, please consider leaving.

He basically said something along the lines I'll end up going prison for hitting you because you hit me,

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mumma2698 · 07/05/2024 20:06

Seas164 · 07/05/2024 19:11

Whatever you do, do not move in with this man. Please, get some support so you can see his behaviour for what it is and recognise that neither you or your baby should be subjected to it.

No, ideally you shouldn't have slapped him on the leg, however, in comparison to the unreasonable bullshit that he had pulled throughout the journey at that point, plus, what sounds to be a picture of control and manipulation from him via his temper, I do not blame you. Please don't let the slap on the leg become the focus here, just make sure that you don't put yourself in a position where you're likely to do it again, and that means you need to get yourself away from him.

Yes you have a baby with him, and ideally you'd both be able to create a safe and healthy environment for a child to grow up in and remain together, but that sounds highly unlikely, so you need to do the next best thing, which is a safe and peaceful happy home with you. Don't stick around and test the theory about what happens next time. Get away from him.

Thank you, I do have lots of support I have all my family around me and his lives in a different city, Andy siblings know of his behaviour and alao give me advice, I come on here also to get unbiased opinions so for all the people who say abuse that's your Perspective ,I get it you don't know the bigger picture and yes I need to work on regulating my emotions and not put that into actions but time and time again I put up with him! To all the people who see my point of view thanks, I am trying to reply to all its hard to catch up and sometimes I cannot write a response to some of the threads z

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mumma2698 · 07/05/2024 20:06

Balloonhearts · 07/05/2024 19:04

Advice? Drive off and leave him there, then head to the nearest solicitors to start divorce proceedings. This relationship is a shitshow, you're as bad as each other! Poor baby!

Lucky we are not married or living together x

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mumma2698 · 07/05/2024 20:08

AdoraBell · 07/05/2024 16:59

So he is the one in control and you have to obey orders. Does he behave that way in his job?

No he wouldn't behave like that at all, he is mr nice guy

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AGlinnerOfHope · 07/05/2024 20:09

All this talk about respect! He doesn’t sound like someone worth respecting.

Please finish this now.

mumma2698 · 07/05/2024 20:09

Pinkbonbon · 07/05/2024 16:44

Actually op, this post sounds familiar. The restaurant stuff.
Have you posted before?

Op you need to stop looking at this as just one bad event. He has shown you consistently over time that he is vile.

Connect the dots and get off the merry go round he WANTS you stuck on of 'who was in the wrong today?'. Because its irrelevant.

Look at the big picture.

He's an angry man who calls you names and makes your life harder instead of better.

Time to get away from him.

Edited

Yes I may of done a few posts on here previously and it may of been regarding our arguing restaurant, maybe not same restaurant but another argument

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Toastiecroissant · 07/05/2024 20:10

You obviously shouldn’t have hit him and I’m not minimising that but from what you’ve described he was never in any danger or fear (though that doesn’t make it ok) and now he’s retaliated by threatening to hit you. Which isn’t ideal. The relationship just seems incredibly toxic.
He is verbally abusive, by yelling at you and calling you names so often.
he can’t drive but is controlling and belittling you. He has a temper and blows up regularly at you. And he isn’t parenting his child even 50% of the time.

I don’t really think him yelling in the car with the baby is what you should be worrying about it’s all the other behaviour you’re modelling to them with this relationship.

mumma2698 · 07/05/2024 20:13

Singleandproud · 07/05/2024 16:18

I think it's very important to think about your future as a couple.
Do you actually want to be with a hot tempered man who brings out the worst in you?
Are you staying with him as you are worried about him losing his temper with the baby and you are acting as a middle 'man'? If so that is very telling.

If I was in a relationship where my partner was regularly hot headed I would want him to want to improve, get some counselling and/or anger management before I ever considered moving in or getting married. If he was invested in the relationship he'd go for that and want to improve too so you can all have a happy life together. If he doesn't see it as a problem then that doesn't sound like a very positive future you'll be forever walking on eggshells.

No if he keeps being shot tempered definitely not, it's not healthy for either of us and certainly not baby, he knows he needs help or therapy/ counselling but he thinks doctors will just give him happy pills and too expensive to do counselling, his a weed smoker so apparently that calms him, often after arguements he will have a smoke.

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crumbpet · 07/05/2024 20:14

mumma2698 · 07/05/2024 20:01

He basically said something along the lines I'll end up going prison for hitting you because you hit me,

He's going to kill you

mumma2698 · 07/05/2024 20:22

Gettingbysomehow · 07/05/2024 16:11

What a pathetic specimen of a man. Has he always been like this or is it just since the baby arrived.

I can say he has always been like this. Has an issue with his temper.

Another example where something petty led to me being thrown back.

Around our area we cannot recycle glass bottles in the green bins only at a bottle bank. We didn't know this at the time so once the bins were not collected because my lather put a load of beer bottles in there, I told him this at the time which was aw weal months ago,

Recently few weeks back he did it again so I kindly reminded him remember do not put glass bottles there otherwise we will either potentially get fined or bins won't be collected for another week or until we clear the bins ourselves.

Then couple of weeks ago he did it again on the Saturday and I mentioned again please don't do it, I feel your disrespecting me now as I have told you multiple times the next day he does it again with another bottle so I took it out this time and he laughs, I said look I'm going bottle bank with other bottles so I'll put them away then! As I went to grab the other bottles I come back and he had put the bottle back.

I tried to explain again to stop doing it and annoying me and stop disrespecting my sisters home and he basically was taking the kids saying only your city spent recycle glass bottles stop being petty, this Connie's later over the phone as it was me trying to explain how I feel he is purposely trying to get a reaction, then he responses with 'your lucky I don't smash it over your head'

I said you have offended me and hang up! Once he rang back I thought he would apologise but instead says I have to take things so literally it was a joke stop being sensitive.

Yet when I keep maps on he thinks he can shout it's like one rule for him

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Starlight7080 · 07/05/2024 20:26

I have not read all the comments just the first so sorry if this has been covered.
But if he does not drive then it should be what is comfortable for you . You are the driver you make the decisions. You need to make this clear to him
Tell him if he wants to comment on how you drive then he should learn to drive first.
It's very controlling behaviour. And shouting because you went the wrong way is very aggressive behaviour .
He sounds like a joy to be around

Singleandproud · 07/05/2024 20:29

You sound like you have your head screwed on so why are you with him?
He's a hot head.
He has anger issues
He does not listen to you
He doesn't respect you.
He smokes weed
He threatens you with violence.
He refuses to get help from professionals.
Are you trying to rescue him from himself?
He isn't your responsibility, your daughter is

What is actually keeping you with him other than the fact you have a baby together?
You aren't married
You don't live together
End the relationship, bring up your child in a positive environment where she's not going to inhale second hand weed smoke.

One of my former students came to school high as a kite and stinking of weed, the pastoral team had to search her bag. Turned out it was her parents second hand smoke and then social services were called. He isn't going to change and that could quite easily be your daughter in a decade or so time.

Toastiecroissant · 07/05/2024 20:33

your lucky I don't smash it over your head'

so he threatens you with violence regularly too.

is there a reason you’re not getting away from him?

mumma2698 · 07/05/2024 20:35

Singleandproud · 07/05/2024 20:29

You sound like you have your head screwed on so why are you with him?
He's a hot head.
He has anger issues
He does not listen to you
He doesn't respect you.
He smokes weed
He threatens you with violence.
He refuses to get help from professionals.
Are you trying to rescue him from himself?
He isn't your responsibility, your daughter is

What is actually keeping you with him other than the fact you have a baby together?
You aren't married
You don't live together
End the relationship, bring up your child in a positive environment where she's not going to inhale second hand weed smoke.

One of my former students came to school high as a kite and stinking of weed, the pastoral team had to search her bag. Turned out it was her parents second hand smoke and then social services were called. He isn't going to change and that could quite easily be your daughter in a decade or so time.

Edited

When I read this I question myself, I guess I keep trying to make things work, there have been several times I've called a break/space and then we've not really had it, so that's my fault with not doing through with it, then I'm arguments he brings it up slating me for always resetting the relationship shop etc calls me the immature one as couples argue apparently I am always so quick to end things, however he does not realise it's not bout the argument it's how things are handled and how I made to feel! Someone always has to be right and wrong whereas I'm not about that it's about communication and coming to an understanding

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MrsTerryPratchett · 07/05/2024 20:35

Toastiecroissant · 07/05/2024 20:33

your lucky I don't smash it over your head'

so he threatens you with violence regularly too.

is there a reason you’re not getting away from him?

This. He's threatened you more than once. This goes in one of three directions:

The woman walks on eggshells, does everything the man wants, becomes small and quiet and delays his violence. OR,

The woman doesn't and he escalates to violence quicker. OR

Leave.

Singleandproud · 07/05/2024 20:41

You simply aren't compatible.

Thats ok, would have been better to have realised that before you had a baby but what's done is done sometimes it doesn't become obvious until later in a relationship or when it's put under pressure.

If you end it for good now she won't know any different. The initial stress of splitting up and sorting contact will all be sorted before she's old enough to remember any of it.

You can properly plan your life with her as the centre of it, perhaps do a Women's Aid course, you have good boundaries but they are weak and you need to learn to make them strong and not go back to him.

You deserve better than this. Perhaps all couples fight (they don't, not like him anyway) but think how relaxed you'll be on your own without treating on eggshells. It's just been me and my daughter for 15 years and it's fantastic we have a great bond, there's never ever been a raised voice or aggression in our house, no name calling, no cursing, no threatens of violence, no drugs.

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