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He Didnt Believe Me

220 replies

JoeyP67 · 07/05/2024 06:53

My partner and I returned from a meal out earlier tonight
I was calling it a "date nite" . We'd had a nice time.
Once home, he reached for an already opened bottle of red and found it empty.. and this is what happened next.
Him "oh. Its empty"
Me " oh, is there any white?"
Him "yes"
Me "then why don't you drink that then ?"
I disappear upstairs for my warm socks and come back down.
He has a glass of white in his hand and approaches me , kisses me on the lips , says "I love you (I thought he was being romantic) then follows it up with "but dont feel you have to manage my drinking".
Me "I'm not" ....
He looks at me. I'm confused.
Me "what are you trying to say?"
Him "you poured it down the sink...
Me : "what ? no I didn't..."
He goes on to tell me I had poured the remains of the open red wine down the sink. I protest my innocence. I make myself a cup of tea and he calmly goes puts the tv on. Calls out what would I like to watch ? I am feeling both foolish (for thinking he was being romantic with the kiss) and angry at his accusation and judgement of me. I go sit next to him. He makes small talk about the t.v program. I am upset at what just happened so I calmly open up.
Me :: "I feel upset at what just happened there. I thought you were being romantic saying you loved me because I looked nice in my dress ...but really there was was something else behind it ...::"
Him: :" yes there was, I did think you liked nice in your dress but I was doing it to start the conversation off (about the sink pouring) nicely. "
I ask in future for him to just be direct and ask me, not fool me with a kiss first.
I tell him again I didn't do it.
He firmly believes that I had. His proof ?..... that he ran his finger over the plug and there was red on it..also that the bottle had been moved from where he put it. so, it's a fact he says, and all I have to be is honest.
I protest my innocence.
I can't believe his calmness. He says maybe I forgot that I did it. I seriously wonder if hes right and maybe I had forgotten but I am sure I didn't do it. I get upset and ask him not to play games with me getting me to think I've done something I haven't..
He refuses to back down. He sways between staying calm with his "facts" and getting agitated with me for pushing back saying stuff like "who was it then ? the fairies...?"
I ask him " why would I suggest you drink the white if I've a problem with you drinking" ? "Why wud I throw the red away to then offer you white? "
But none of it makes any difference. For me, we had a lovely meal out, I really made an effort to look nice and I cudnt believe he wanted the night to end on his mistrust. I said that I had told him the truth and that he had made the choice not to believe me. I felt like the rug had been pulled from under my feet. Said that I loved him and why would i lie to him ? He said it was because I was "2 dimensional". He turned the telly off and didnt want to entertain me talking about it.
He said "just drop it. I"d forgiven you while you were stood at the bottom of the stairs" I started to get a bit hysterical. He still wasnt listening to me and his comments were making it worse. I said I had nothing to be forgiven for. He got up to get ready for bed but then returned downstairs. He slept on the sofa. I said I didn't want the night to end this way and asked if he had created the tension purposely to avoid sleeping with me. He said no.
Im so tired. I have to be up again at 6.30am. He upset me so much my emotions are only just calming down 4hrs later. Hes slept soundly.

I really could do with some careful and honest advice here. Any one else been in the same situation? What do I do about this ? Am I being too sensitive about this? or is his behaviour way off the mark? I don't know how I feel going forward....

Ps ' We been living together since 2020.
Thanks
Joey

OP posts:
Allthehorsesintheworld · 10/05/2024 08:33

Very similar to my alcoholic ex’s conversations with me, including the gaslighting.
His alcohol tolerance will change as he continues to drink heavily. His behaviour will change and could become unstable and unpredictable.
my advice would ge to get out now. Don’t try to be his ‘saviour ‘.

Gettingbysomehow · 10/05/2024 08:33

Gaslighters thrive on getting a reaction from you. Don't react. Id have said OK then and poured the white wine down the sink. There you go. Now you've got something to bitch about.
My first husband did it constantly. I gave him a few chances to pack it in and then left. I'm not prepared to live like that.
It's a form of controlling behaviour. If he does it again you need to reconsider this relationship.

ImCamembertTheBigCheese · 10/05/2024 08:35

As a heavy drinker he will have finished the bottle and not remembered. He then either realised this and gas lit you or has convinced himself you must have thrown it away as there is no way, in his mind, he finished the bottle.

Abi86 · 10/05/2024 08:35

Calamitycassie · 10/05/2024 08:19

You sound like very very very hard work. Wow.

You brought it back up. You continued the conversation. You were “hysterical”?!

you “couldn’t believe his calmness”?? Me either because this would drive me round the bend. There’s clearly been some wires crossed. It happens. Calm down and get over it ffs. What a way to ruin a night.

Yeah - blame the OP for a gas lighting partner 🫤

aren’t you a charmer

PandasMum · 10/05/2024 08:36

You can’t decide to just ‘keep hold of your sanity’ - that’s not how this works. I don’t know why you’d want to stay in an abusive relationship and keep logs of when he’s abusive. What are the logs for? Please get out.

TheFormidableMrsC · 10/05/2024 08:37

This is a slippery slope. Setting aside his drinking, the gaslighting is abuse. After my own experiences, somebody would do this to me only once and that would be the end. This is a massive red flag. I'd be considering my future with this man and ending this relationship.

Roundandroundthegard3n · 10/05/2024 08:38

My first thought is that he poured the red away to then accuse you of it. Some people enjoy getting in others heads like this.

TheFormidableMrsC · 10/05/2024 08:38

Calamitycassie · 10/05/2024 08:19

You sound like very very very hard work. Wow.

You brought it back up. You continued the conversation. You were “hysterical”?!

you “couldn’t believe his calmness”?? Me either because this would drive me round the bend. There’s clearly been some wires crossed. It happens. Calm down and get over it ffs. What a way to ruin a night.

Lovely bit of victim blaming there.

Butchyrestingface · 10/05/2024 08:39

You didn't pour it down the sink.
He didn't pour it down the sink.
He drank it.
And now he's trying to gaslight you to divert attention away from his raging drinking habit.

CassandraMusk · 10/05/2024 08:48

He's a crazy maker. He is insisting you did something you didn't do. His assumption is that you couldn't possibly be right and he couldn't possibly be wrong (or worse, he knows and is manipulating you). It's all a power play isn't it?

He's calm and got you feeling upset, unsure, at a disadvantage, confused and rejected. Another power game. Deflecting from his own problem behaviour, blame shifting onto you.

betterangels · 10/05/2024 08:48

Fuck keeping a log of batshit behaviour. Just get out. You don't even have a house to get rid of first.

Peanuts2000 · 10/05/2024 08:53

OP as others have said, it's gaslighting and abusive behaviour.
He has drank the wine himself, he has a drink problem if he drinks 4 bottles of wine in 4 days. That's at least 32 units in 4 days. He will develop a tolerance and probably drink more.
He's controlling, also wanting you to pander to him. You said this happened before, do you end up trying to get back "in his good books"? Him saying he forgives you when you haven't done anything wrong.
It sounds like you aren't married and are renting, thank goodness, you can get away without all the legal complications.
I would seriously think about your future as you will end up becoming a shell of yourself. Hope you have friend or family support. Look after yourself.

SallyWD · 10/05/2024 09:00

My immediate thought is that he finished the bottle but was too drunk to remember. I think he's probably not deliberately gaslighting you but genuinely believes you poured it away.
This is worrying itself and indicates he has a drink problem.

cerisepanther73 · 10/05/2024 09:05

Reading mumsnet posts such as this

Make me relieved,

thank God i am single

I don't have to put up with this kind of crap .

ShoeHelpNeeded · 10/05/2024 09:07

My instant thought process was he has drunk the wine and
a) can't remember doing it so is blaming you
b) he can remember and is starting to realise his wine intake is getting out of control and rather than saying he drank it is passing the buck

I would suspect his "high tolerance" of alcohol isn't as high as he might think. It's addictive no matter who you are if consumed regularly

TheFormidableMrsC · 10/05/2024 09:27

cerisepanther73 · 10/05/2024 09:05

Reading mumsnet posts such as this

Make me relieved,

thank God i am single

I don't have to put up with this kind of crap .

100% same here!

GingerPirate · 10/05/2024 09:31

TheFormidableMrsC · 10/05/2024 09:27

100% same here!

I agree with this 💯 percent.
Not relevant, but the phrase "What are you trying to say" would make me furious.
😡

Phoenixfire1988 · 10/05/2024 09:33

He's gaslighting you he either drank the wine himself and forgot or he poured it out so he had a reason to gas light you either way I suspect this isn't the 1st time he's had you doubting yourself or behaved this way , personally he wouldn't of got away with it at the time

WonderWoman1009 · 10/05/2024 09:40

I think he drank it and didn't realise he had and genuinely thinks you poured it away. That's a problem in itself to not realise you are drinking something and he is developing a serious drinking problem. The main thing I wanted to comment on was the stonewalling, I had an ex partner who would do this to me after a row, wouldn't speak to me for days. It would send me absolutely nuts so I can understand your hysteria.. but I'd like to point out my therapist told me this is also a form of abuse. I'm sorry you're going through this and I think an open and extremely honest discussion is needed between you both

cordelia16 · 10/05/2024 09:43

AnnieSF · 08/05/2024 03:14

Create a log? How about you plan on living alone? Believe me living with someone like this will destroy you.

Exactly this! Recording his behaviours will achieve absolutely nothing.

Get out while you have no real commitments (children, mortgage, etc). It will never get better, and definitely can get much worse. Do you have someone you can stay with?

Ragruggers · 10/05/2024 09:46

Reading these replies and experiences must be hard for you.Taketime to think about your future because this so called partner has only one interest and that is alcohol.Please believe that his is who he is and it will get worse.Make plans to leave if not now but soon.I wishyou well,you can do this.

EightChalk · 10/05/2024 09:56

If there was red wine around the plughole, the whole area around the sink would have had a noticeable smell of wine. Emptying part-finished wine bottles into the sink requires a good flushing through with water to get rid of the smell. He wouldn't have needed to touch it to tell whether wine had recently been poured into it. It really sounds like he's lying to cover for his drinking and to make you doubt yourself.

Mirabai · 10/05/2024 09:59

He’s a gaslighting alcoholic who insults you: “2 dimensional”.

Get out and live your 3 dimensional life.

Smineusername · 10/05/2024 09:59

He's an emotionally abusive alcoholic who enjoys causing you distress. Run

VanTullek · 10/05/2024 09:59

I suspect he's drinking a lot more than you think and that what happened was routed in denial and projection (denial that he had finished it himself, projection in his assumption that you're trying to control his drinking when he knows he should be controlling his drinking). I would be taking steps to leave.

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