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It’s my wife a lesbian, bin sexual or am I paranoid?

125 replies

Mikey123456 · 28/04/2024 10:44

Hi, my wife (36F) and I (37M) have been together nearly 20 years, married for 13 years. She started a new job around 6 years ago and quickly became very close to a work colleague (40F).

Our relationship has really struggled since this time and we have nearly separated many times due to her needlessly overworking most nights and her having very little interest in spending time with me in the evenings and weekends.

She has many close friends but this friendship just feels different. They’ve been away on many trips together just the 2 of them, Paris, London, Spain etc. they always stay in the same bed with they go away. (Apparently this is normal for 2 female friends?)

They have matching tattoos of every trip they go on together. In Paris they had photos taken of them together that looked romantic (gazing into each others eyes, arms around each other). For my wife’s birthday her friend sent her this photo in a heart shaped frame.

In Paris they put a love lock on the bridge with both their names on it and took photos. My wife joked when she came home that everyone thought they were a couple while they were away.

Whenever I am away, the friend sleeps over the house. I’ve questioned her about this a few times about all this and every time she is adamant that they are just friends and that I was being paranoid over nothing and gets very irritated by it.

We have 3 children together and her friend has 4 children with her husband of 15 years. Their marriage is not in a good place and apparently hasn’t been for many years. Apparently her and her husband are very rarely intimate.

Other reasons for my suspicions are that my wife has noticeably become more masculine in her actions and appearance over the last 5 years or so. She has many tattoos now and has almost a full sleeve on one arm. Her friend is also covered in tattoos and is quite masculine. (If l didn’t know she was married I would assume she was a lesbian by looking at her and her mannerisms)

Last night after we had sex we talked casually about porn and she mentioned lesbian porn and how men are turned on by it. I said I actually wasn’t turned on by it. She then said ‘me neither I would never watch it’ then went on saying how gross she found the idea of being with another woman was and kept talking about it for a few minutes. I found it strange, like she was trying too hard to convince me or herself. Like she was protesting too much. Ive known this woman for 20 years and can usually term when she is lying.

My gut has been telling me for a few years that she has more than plutonic feelings for this woman but I have no way of knowing for sure.

Just looking for opinions on whether I am just being paranoid or whether I am right to have my suspicions?

Than for reading

OP posts:
Mikey123456 · 28/04/2024 11:56

Wow! There really are some venomous women on this forum 👀 it’s been an eye opener. Maybe my closet lesbian wife isn’t so bad 😂

OP posts:
maudelovesharold · 28/04/2024 11:57

Cerialkiller · 28/04/2024 11:48

Hmm yes it does look bad, an emotional affair for sure. I would be seeking proof personally. Annoying that female relationships can be like this and plutonic sometimes. If she was doing all this with another man or if two men were doing all this I think everyone would be far more scathing of their behaviour.

You’ve used exactly the same quirky spelling of platonic as the op!

MrsCrumPinnett · 28/04/2024 11:57

Maaaaate…

The Reddit wank advice boards are over there 👉. Nobody here is going to tell you in detail about how they innocently shared a bed with their best female friend and then came over all sexy.

BirthdayRainbow · 28/04/2024 11:58

Mikey123456 · 28/04/2024 11:56

Wow! There really are some venomous women on this forum 👀 it’s been an eye opener. Maybe my closet lesbian wife isn’t so bad 😂

Bless if you think anyone has been venomous on this thread.

INeedAnotherName · 28/04/2024 11:58

Mikey123456 · 28/04/2024 11:56

Wow! There really are some venomous women on this forum 👀 it’s been an eye opener. Maybe my closet lesbian wife isn’t so bad 😂

Venomous - from dictionary:
(of a person or their behaviour) full of malice or spite.

Where is the malice or spite?

SleepingStandingUp · 28/04/2024 12:00

MassiveChickenAtTheEveningDo · 28/04/2024 10:49

Bin sexual - is that when you do it every two weeks?

Finally, a name for what I am 🤣

Op you need to talk to her. I do shre beds on girl holidays because it's often a mix of singles and doubles but if it was just two of us, my default would be to try and get a twin room. So cheaper than own room, but ideally own beds. If they aren't having sex, they're dangerously close to it.

SleepingStandingUp · 28/04/2024 12:00

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All lesbians now look moody?? Is that due to the lack of a man in their bed in your opinion?

AtrociousCircumstance · 28/04/2024 12:01

@Mikey123456 Yes I think you’re right, there is a deep connection between your wife and her friend and whether she’s had sex with her or not this is an emotional affair which is threatening her intimacy with you. Sorry, it must be very painful. Hard to know what to suggest since she blows up whenever you try to discuss it.

Gymmum82 · 28/04/2024 12:02

SummerFeverVenice · 28/04/2024 11:26

I never share a bed with friends.

It isn’t “much cheaper”

It is the exact same price for a room with two queen beds as it is for a room with a king bed.

It is much cheaper. As soon as you ask for a twin the price goes up. Very very occasionally it’s the same price. I go away ALOT with friends and near enough always share a bed because of the cost. A month ago we went to Glasgow. £36 for a double room £97 for a twin in the same hotel

Mikey123456 · 28/04/2024 12:02

SleepingStandingUp · 28/04/2024 12:00

All lesbians now look moody?? Is that due to the lack of a man in their bed in your opinion?

No not all lesbians. It was a tongue in cheek comment as I was getting some stick. Just a joke 🤐

OP posts:
Tallisker · 28/04/2024 12:03

Why are your wife's and her friend's bra sizes mentioned?

SummerFeverVenice · 28/04/2024 12:05

Gymmum82 · 28/04/2024 12:02

It is much cheaper. As soon as you ask for a twin the price goes up. Very very occasionally it’s the same price. I go away ALOT with friends and near enough always share a bed because of the cost. A month ago we went to Glasgow. £36 for a double room £97 for a twin in the same hotel

Never been my experience at all.
But then I’m not staying in places for £36 a night. Those are bunk house hostel prices imho.

Mikey123456 · 28/04/2024 12:05

Tallisker · 28/04/2024 12:03

Why are your wife's and her friend's bra sizes mentioned?

😂 sorry I very rarely post on forums and on Reddit it stated that I needed to use this format for the sex/age. I couldn’t post on Reddit for some reason though so copied and pasted on to this forum

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upthehills1 · 28/04/2024 12:06

LineMadeByWalking · 28/04/2024 11:56

Surely the equivalent would be her DH having this kind of relationship with another man, going away on bed-sharing weekends, getting matching tattoos, padlocking lovelocks to bridges, taking photographs of them staring passionately at one another, while the DH gradually morphs into some kind of Legible Gay Stereotype?

Just imagine removing all gender reference from the post

MrsCrumPinnett · 28/04/2024 12:07

You must have done something really terrible for Reddit to ban you. They will literally take anyone posting anything there.

BlackCat007 · 28/04/2024 12:07

😶

RainbowZebraWarrior · 28/04/2024 12:07

Mikey123456 · 28/04/2024 11:56

Wow! There really are some venomous women on this forum 👀 it’s been an eye opener. Maybe my closet lesbian wife isn’t so bad 😂

Aye. We're all either bitches or lesbians eh?

I'd be a bit more arsed about your predicament if you didn't stereotype women in every post.

Gymmum82 · 28/04/2024 12:07

SummerFeverVenice · 28/04/2024 12:05

Never been my experience at all.
But then I’m not staying in places for £36 a night. Those are bunk house hostel prices imho.

Or just a premier inn and got lucky on the date

PoochiesPinkEars · 28/04/2024 12:08

If your description is fair then so are you concerns.
Either way, if a spouse of either sex raises concerns about their relationship and the response is to shut down the conversation that is a big fat red flag.

Both parties need to listen and respond taking concerns seriously and being respectful of the others point of view.

That's the polar opposite of what is happening in your marriage, so whether she is in love with this woman or not (sounds like it to me, assuming your summary is accurate) your marriage is walking a slow death march anyway cos no long term relationship can survive metaphorical fingers in the ears and looking the other way.

Sorry you're going through this op.

sprigatito · 28/04/2024 12:08

I think I may be bin sexual Shock I definitely get aroused at the thought of a bloke who does the bins cheerfully and unprompted <<moan>>

Is there a flag? Am I special now?

Otterhound · 28/04/2024 12:09

OP,
In your shoes next time you go away I’d be putting a recording device under the bed.
sure its an invasion of privacy etc etc but unless you catch them red handed you’ll never find out. Lets face if it was a bloke she was seeing you’d have divorced her by now.

Mikey123456 · 28/04/2024 12:09

MrsCrumPinnett · 28/04/2024 12:07

You must have done something really terrible for Reddit to ban you. They will literally take anyone posting anything there.

No I wasn’t bannned. It just won’t let me post for some reason? Cynicism again. Do you not notice there’s a lot of that on here? 🤔

OP posts:
maudelovesharold · 28/04/2024 12:09

SummerFeverVenice · 28/04/2024 12:05

Never been my experience at all.
But then I’m not staying in places for £36 a night. Those are bunk house hostel prices imho.

No need to get snooty about Premier Inns! Grin

BlackCat007 · 28/04/2024 12:09

sprigatito · 28/04/2024 12:08

I think I may be bin sexual Shock I definitely get aroused at the thought of a bloke who does the bins cheerfully and unprompted <<moan>>

Is there a flag? Am I special now?

Ha ha ha. Is bin sexual any relation to Bin Laden?

maudelovesharold · 28/04/2024 12:11

maudelovesharold · 28/04/2024 12:09

No need to get snooty about Premier Inns! Grin

Haha! I see someone beat me to it!